A jury found Michael Anglin guilty of Hobbs Act robbery, discharging a firearm in furtherance of a crime of violence (the Hobbs Act robbery) under 18 U.S.C. § 924(c), and related offenses. The district court sentenced him to 230 months’ imprisonment, followed by three years of supervised release.
Anglin appeals, pressing three challenges. First, he contends that the police arrested him without probable cause in violation of the Fourth Amendment, requiring suppression of the arrest’s fruits. Second, he contends that his § 924(c) conviction was improper because Hobbs Act robbery is not a qualifying crime of violence. Third, he contends that his sentence is improper in vai'ious respects. Except for his challenge to the supervised release conditions, Anglin’s arguments are without merit, so we affirm in large part and vacate and remand only as to that component of his sentence.
I. Background
On December 9, 2013, three men robbed an automobile repair shop in Milwaukee: our defendant, Michael Anglin (“Anglin”); his brother, Dave Anglin (“Dave”); and Michael Green, an associate of theirs who at all relevant times lived at the same federal halfway house as Dave. During the robbery, Anglin shot a repair shop employee in the abdomen.
The next day, Green turned informant. He called the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”), identified himself, and reported that the Anglin brothers were plotting to commit robberies and wanted him to join them. ATF registered Green as a “confidential informant” and assigned Special Agent Rick Hankins to lead its investigation.
Hankins met with Green three days later, on December 13. Green reported that he had befriended Dave at the halfway house and become a trusted confidant of both Anglins. Green said that the Anglins recently invited him to commit robberies with them. According to Green, Dave needed cash and was impatient to commit “any kind of robbery.” Green said that he had ridden in Anglin’s SUV several times, once accompanying the brothers to Ang-lin’s residence. Green also said that on December 7 or 8, the Anglins showed him two assault rifles and a .pistol inside the SUV.
For informing on the Anglins, Green sought early termination of his supervised release and/or moving expenses for his family, but he received no promises of either. Green did not tell Hankins about the December 9 robbery that he and the Anglins committed. Hankins asked Green to tell the Anglins that he knew somebody who could help identify a target, so that ATF could insinuate an undercover agent into the group.
During this initial conversation, Green provided cell phone numbers for both Ang-lins, a description of Anglin’s car (“a silver or grey crossover SUV’), the general whereabouts of Anglin’s residence (“on the edge of town”), the race and nickname of Dave’s girlfriend (“a black female named ‘Star’”), and a description of her car (a white Escalade). He also referred to the Anglins as “convicted felons.”
Hankins and his colleagues corroborated most of those details. They discovered that the Anglins’ mother was the registered owner of a silver Acura MDX SUV and lived just inside Milwaukee’s western border. While monitoring Dave’s comings and goings at the halfway house, they saw him enter a white Escalade registered to Star-miqua Broom. They verified that Dave was serving a federal prison sentence for bank *959 robbery and that Anglin had a state felony conviction for gun possession.
Hankins and Green met again on December 16. Green reported that the Ang-lins, wary of outsiders, preferred not to add a fourth participant and intended to select a robbery target themselves. They also intended to act quickly; their plan was to rob “something” within the next several days. Green also revised one aspect of his December 13 statement: the Anglins showed him two guns, not three, in the SUV on December 7 or 8—an assault rifle and a pistol.
Hankins showed Green a photo of the apartment complex where the Anglins’ mother lived and a generic image- of a silver Acura MDX from the same model year as hers. Green confirmed that the former depicted the residence he visited with the Anglins and that the latter matched the appearance of Anglin’s SUV. Before departing, Hankins gave Green a digital recorder to surreptitiously capture future conversations with the Anglins.
At 5:00 a.m. the next morning, Hankins noticed a text message from Green: “They trying to do something in the morning what I do.” Hankins immediately called Green. Green reported that the Anglins had planned an armed robbery, to be carried out by the trio sometime after 8:00 a.m., which was the earliest that Dave and Green could leave the halfway house. Han-kins told Green to go along with the plan and keep ATF apprised of the Anglins’ movements.
Hankins and another agent went to the mother’s residence. Shortly after 8:00 a.m., they saw Anglin leave the residence and drive off in the Acura, which was parked outside. A short while later, Green called Hankins to report that Dave left the halfway house just after 8:00. According to Green, the plan was for Anglin to pick up Green at or near the halfway house, and then meet Dave “out on the street.” Green relayed further information about the planned robbery: the target was a drug house somewhere near 74th Street and Capitol Drive, about three miles from the halfway house. Green did not know the exact address.
Green further reported that Dave told him to look out for a black Dodge Charger parked near the halfway house that looked like a “fed.” Green later called Dave and told him that the Charger appeared to be watching a different house down the street. To be safe, the Anglins and Green changed Green’s pickup location from the halfway house itself to the corner of Center Street and Fond du Lac Avenue, a few blocks away. This, too, Green told the agents.
At some point, the team tailing Anglin lost track of him in the Acura. Hankins, meanwhile, joined federal agents and Milwaukee police officers in unmarked cars near the new rendezvous point. At 8:40 a.m., Hankins observed Green standing on the north side of Center near Fond du Lac. Hankins contacted Green and instructed him to turn on his recorder.
At 8:48 a.m., the Acura approached Green from the' east and pulled up to the curb, with Anglin behind the wheel. Green got into the passenger seat. The Acura then turned right on Fond du Lac, heading northwest in the general direction of 74th and Capitol. Hankins and the rest -of the surveillance team followed the Acura at an inconspicuous distance for several minutes, but found it difficult to stay close in rush hour traffic. Concerned about the threat to public safety that an armed robbery might pose if the Acura eluded them, Hankins asked city police to pull over the vehicle. A marked Milwaukee Police Department squad car was summoned, pulled behind the Acura, and activated its lights and *960 sirens. Anglin did not stop; instead, he made a U-turn and headed back southeast on Fond du Lac. The Acura stopped only once a second police vehicle blocked its path. Anglin and Green were taken into custody.
At approximately 10:15 a.m., police located Dave at Broom’s house and arrested him. The Acura was impounded and searched pursuant to a warrant, yielding a nine-millimeter pistol under the passenger seat. Agents also searched the Ang-lins’ mother’s residence, finding a box of ammunition among Anglin’s personal effects. Over the course of several debriefing interviews, Green admitted to having committed other robberies while at the halfway house, including the December 9 repair shop robbery, in which he implicated the Anglins.
Anglin was initially charged only with being a felon in possession of a firearm. He moved to suppress the evidence obtained as a result of his arrest (presumably the gun found in the Acura, though he did not specify), arguing that the officers who pulled over the Acura lacked probable cause to arrest him. The magistrate judge recommended suppression, and then reaffirmed that recommendation after the district judge requested further consideration in light of
Navarette v. California,
— U.S.-,
A grand jury returned a five-count superseding indictment against Anglin, charging him with: (1) Hobbs Act robbery, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1951(a); (2) discharging a firearm during a crime of violence, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 924(c) (1) (A) (iii); (3) conspiracy to commit Hobbs Act robbery; (4) being a felon in possession of a firearm; and (5) being a felon in possession of ammunition. A jury found Anglin guilty on all counts in April 2015. His post-trial motions were denied— including, as relevant here, a renewed motion to suppress and a motion to dismiss the § 924(c) charge in light of
Johnson v. United States,
— U.S. -,
At sentencing, Anglin faced a 120-month mandatory minimum term on the § 924(c) count, to be followed by consecutive sentence for the other counts, which carried an advisory guidelines range of 110 to 137 months’ imprisonment. The government asked for a sentence at the high end of the guidelines range (257 months in total), pointing to Anglin’s criminal record, his lack of remorse, and lasting harms to the person he shot.
Defense counsel sought a sentence well below the guidelines range. Noting that during plea negotiations the two sides memorialized an agreement that seven to ten years would be an appropriate total sentence, he argued that the government’s 257-month recommendation penalized him for going to trial. The district judge interjected, telling counsel he “can rest assured that there will be no additional punishment imposed in this case just because your client went to trial,” and stating that he does not “take into account any negotiations between the government and the defendant that do not result in a recommendation that is jointly urged upon the Court.” Defense counsel next argued that, because Anglin would be 35 years old by the time the ten-year minimum term expired, the court should sentence him far below the guidelines range on the remaining counts. He explained:
The 924(c) here means that you’re not punishing a 25-year-old man who doesn’t get it. You’re punishing a 35-year-old *961 man. And you’re punishing that 35-year-old man each additional year. And you’re saying we have no hope for you at 36 you’re gonna make it; at 37 you’re gonna do a better job; 38 I don’t know if I can trust you....
And when this court considers what’s sufficient but not greater than necessary, what’s appropriate under all the circumstances, I’m looking at a 35-year old man. I’m looking at someone who has just done 10 years in prison, who has hopefully gotten all of the benefits of it.
The court imposed a 230-month sentence—the 120-month mandatory minimum for the § 924(c) count, plus a consecutive term of 110 months, the low end of the guidelines range for the remaining offenses. In justifying the sentence, the court cited the “long-lasting” effect on the shooting victim and the need to deter others “looking to make a quick buck,” while also emphasizing the need not to “overly punish.” In particular, the court said that it would “take into account that there is a mandatory minimum sentence” as “was underscored in the arguments of’ defense counsel, and that it “will not and should not penalize a defendant for going to trial.” The judge added that defense counsel’s arguments “reminded [him] of a recent book written by Professor Michelle Alexander which is called ‘The New Jim Crow.’ And so this court does not approach sentencing blindly or without due regard for the consequences of substantial incarceration, particularly in a case like this with a young man age 25.”
The presentence report recommended a supervised release term and proposed numerous supervised release conditions. Neither side addressed supervised release in its briefs or otherwise objected to the proposed conditions. At the sentencing hearing, the government asked for four to five years of supervised release. Defense counsel did not discuss supervised release in his arguments.
The court imposed a three-year term of supervised release, explaining as follows:
[THE COURT:] With regard to supervision, the Court is imposing the mandatory terms of supervision as discussed in the presentence report for the reasons discussed in the presentence report.
The Court is likewise imposing conditions over and above those—the additional conditions of supervision as discussed in the presentence report except as follows:
With regard to paragraph 3 in part B of the presentence report, the defendant shall follow the instructions of his probation officer and answer truthfully all inquiries by the probation officer subject to his right under the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination.
The Court does believe that supervision in this case is warranted particularly in light of the defendant’s criminal history and failure to successfully complete state supervision prior to committing the crime in this case.
Is there any reason to articulate these grounds for supervision any further?
[DEFENSE COUNSEL]: No, Your Honor.
[THE GOVERNMENT]: No, Your Hon- or.
The court closed the hearing by asking, “Is there anything else or any argument that you believe the Court has not taken into account fully, [defense counsel]?” Defense counsel answered, “I can’t think of any right now, Your Honor.”
II. Discussion
A. Probable Cause to Arrest
We first consider whether there was probable cause to arrest Anglin. Our
*962
review is
de novo.
See
United States v. Shields,
Probable cause determinations are exercises in holistic, commonsense de-cisionmaking. See
Illinois v. Gates,
In determining whether the officers had probable cause to arrest Anglin, we do not write on a blank slate: this court already found probable cause to arrest Dave on essentially the same facts when his appeal—Dave and Anglin were prosecuted separately—was before us. See
United States v. Dave Anglin,
Although our order in Dave’s case is not precedential, see Cir. R. 32.1(b), our holding was correct, and we see no reason to reach a different conclusion here. Anglin argues that probable cause was absent because Green was untested and untrustworthy. But the facts known to the agents at the time of Anglin’s arrest established Green’s credibility well enough for his tips to supply probable cause, even though they could not yet know with certainty whether he was telling the truth.
For starters, the agents had confirmed most of the details Green provided: the fact that both Anglins had felony records, the identity of Dave’s girlfriend, the make and model of her car, the location of Ang-lin’s residence, and the description of Ang-lin’s car. Green would not have known these things if he did not have some genuine familiarity with the Anglins. See
United States v. Jones,
The agents had another reason to regard Green as generally credible. Green was under federal sentence and therefore faced serious consequences if caught lying to federal investigators. The agents knew his name and where he lived: a halfway house where he was obliged to spend every night. If Green lied, he would be easy to find. See
Navarette,
Finally, Green’s key assertions, if fabricated, could and likely would have been exposed as falsehoods. Green told agents the approximate time and location of an imminent armed robbery, enabled them to tail the Acura in order to observe the crime unfolding, and said that he was recording his conversations in the SUV. If this were an elaborate ruse, that would have become apparent soon enough. Under the circumstances, it was reasonable for the agents to conclude that Green was being honest with them.
Anglin argues that Green’s account of the planned robbery was vague, shifting, and therefore dubious, but Green’s imprecision was consistent with the rest of what he told the agents. The Anglins led the operation and were parsimonious with details, so it was no surprise that Green could not give a specific address for the planned robbery or a detailed account of how it would transpire. See
United States v. Booker,
Anglin identifies two specific inconsistencies that he believes should have given the agents pause. First, on December 13, Green said the Anglins showed him three guns, but on December 16, he revised that to two guns. That minor discrepancy hardly compelled the conclusion that Green was untrustworthy. If anything, the agents could reasonably have seen it as a sign of good faith that he went out of his way to *964 set the record straight on an unverifíable detail.
Second, Anglin asserts that Green did not accurately predict how the morning in question would unfold. This argument relies on the inaccurate premise that Green told the agents that he and Anglin would pick up Dave from his girlfriend’s house, which was in the opposite direction from the robbery’s location. But Hankins was clear on this point: even though Dave was headed to his girlfriend’s house when he left the halfway house, Green told agents that the plan was for Dave to meet Anglin and Green somewhere “out on the street,” not at her house. Doc. 34^4 at 620. Driving in the general direction of the robbery target was consistent with that plan.
Although unnecessary, it bears mention that the agents had one final data point by the time of the arrest, and it derived not from Green’s say-so, but from direct observation of Anglin. A traffic stop of Ang-lin’s vehicle required only reasonable suspicion. See
Heien v. North Carolina,
— U.S.-,
Given the totality of the circumstances, the officers had ample probable cause to arrest Anglin. It follows that the district court properly denied his motion to suppress.
B. Conviction Under § 924(c)
Anglin next challenges his § 924(c)(l)(A)(iii) conviction for possessing and discharging a firearm during a crime of violence, contending that Hobbs Act robbery is not a “crime of violence” within the meaning of the statute.
Section 924(c)(l)(A)(iii) prohibits discharging a firearm “during and in relation to any crime of violence.” Section 924(c)(3) defines “crime of violence” to include any felony that either “(A) has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another” (the elements clause, also known as the force clause), or “(B) by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used” (the residual clause). Anglin was convicted of Hobbs Act robbery, 18 U.S.C. § 1951(a), for the December 9 repair shop robbery, during which he discharged his gun. The question, then, is whether a Hobbs Act robbery conviction can serve as a predicate “crime of violence” under either prong of § 924(c)(3).
Anglin argues that the § 924(e)(3)(B) residual clause is invalid under
Johnson,
— U.S.-,
*965 The Hobbs Act defines robbery, in relevant part, as the taking of personal property “by means of actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury, immediate or future, to his person or property.” 18 U.S.C. § 1951(b)(1). Committing such an act necessarily requires using or threatening force. Pressing the opposite view, Anglin asserts that a robber hypothetically could put his victim in “fear of injury5’ without using or threatening force. This argument is contrary to our precedents.
In
United States v. Armour,
We also held in
Armour
that Indiana robbery, which similarly can be accomplished by “putting any person in fear,” satisfied the identical “use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force” requirement in § 4B1.2(a)(l) of the Sentencing Guidelines.
For these reasons, Hobbs Act robbery is a “crime of violence” within the meaning of § 923(c)(3)(A). In so holding, we join the unbroken consensus of other circuits to have resolved this question. See
United States v. Hill,
C. Sentencing
Anglin argues that the district court committed a variety of sentencing errors.
1. Custodial Sentence
First, Anglin asserts that the district court erred by failing to address his argument that the government’s recommended 257-month sentence unfairly punished him for going to trial. That is wrong, as the court did address the argument.
At the hearing, Anglin’s counsel reiterated at some length the argument from his sentencing brief that the government’s *966 recommendation sought to impose a “trial penalty.’’ The court responded, cutting in after several minutes: “[T]his court does not enhance a defendant’s sentence merely because he or she has asked for a trial. I never have and I never will. So you can rest assured that there will be no additional punishment imposed in this case just because your client went to trial.” That promise acknowledged—indeed, agreed with—the thrust of Anglin’s argument, and the judge later reiterated it in announcing and justifying the sentence.
As proof that the district court refused to consider his ai'gument, Anglin points to the judge’s explanation of
how
he would ensure that the sentence did not reflect a trial penalty: “I don’t take into account any negotiations between the government and the defendant that do not result in a recommendation that is jointly urged upon the Court.” Anglin would have preferred that the judge take a different tack, heeding his request that the court consider the inchoate plea agreement (which, as noted, would have recommended an overall sentence of seven to ten years) and discount the government’s recommendation. But that goes to the
substantive
merit of the judge’s response, not its
procedural
adequacy—which is all Anglin challenges here. The fact that Anglin did not get the answer he sought does not mean the judge refused to consider his argument. See
United States v. Lott,
Next, Anglin contends that the district judge failed to consider his “diminishing returns” argument, which posited that additional years beyond Anglin’s proposed twelve- or thirteen-year sentence would have limited marginal value, given that Anglin would be in his late thirties by the time he served them. The parties dispute whether Anglin preserved this objection, a question we need not resolve because here, too, the judge adequately engaged with the argument.
Anglin’s argument for leniency on the non-§ 924(c) counts boiled down to a generic point about the diminishing marginal returns of long prison sentences—a “stock” argument that virtually all defendants can make in some form or another. Sentencing courts “need not explicitly discuss” stock arguments.
United States v. Eberts,
In any event, a fair reading of the transcript shows that the judge did address this argument, albeit somewhat obliquely. See
United States v. Cheek,
2. Supervised Release
Anglin also challenges the supervised release conditions, which he contends were substantively unreasonable and procedurally defective. Because Anglin did not raise his concerns before the district court, we must first determine whether he waived or merely forfeited his challenges.
“A waived claim ... is one that a party has knowingly and intelligently relinquished; a forfeited plea is one that a party has merely failed to preserve.”
Wood v. Milyard,
Our decisions set forth the line between waiver and forfeiture in this context. In
United States v. Lewis,
Lewis
and
Donelli
reflect the settled principle that, when the judge invites counsel to raise objections on a particular topic and counsel déclines the -invitation, appellate review is waived. See
United States v. Ortiz,
By contrast, we have cautioned that giving the same response to a general question like “anything else?” effects no waiver, is merely a forfeiture, and thus allows for plain error review. See
United States v. Schrode,
In our case, the district judge stated that he was “imposing the mandatory terms of supervision as discussed in the presentence report for the reasons discussed in the presentence report” and “the additional conditions of supervision as discussed in the presentence report,” but modified one of the conditions to read, “the defendant shall follow the instructions of his probation officer and answer truthfully all inquiries by the probation officer subject to his right under the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination.” The judge explained that he “believe[d] that supervision in this case is warranted particularly in light of the defendant’s criminal history and failure to successfully complete state supervision prior to committing the crime in this case.” The judge then asked, “Is there any reason to articulate these grounds for supervision any further?” to which defense counsel answered, “No, Your Honor.”
Anglin complains that the judge did not orally pronounce each supervised release condition, and instead (with one exception) incorporated by reference the
*969
probation office’s proposed conditions. Our decisions teach that the sentencing judge must “orally pronounce” each supervised release condition “from the bench.”
Kappes,
The
Bloch
exception does not quite apply here. True, Anglin does not argue that the supervised release conditions proposed in writing by the probation office and then orally incorporated by reference by the judge conflict with the conditions set forth in the written judgment. But the judge did not give Anglin “a meaningful opportunity to object” to the conditions he imposed.
Bloch,
That said, it is important not to make a fetish of orally pronouncing each supervised release condition, at least under the circumstances that prevailed in Bloch. A federal sentencing is the worst day of most defendants’ lives, and the judge’s announcement of the custodial sentence— particularly where the sentence is substantial—is the worst individual moment of the experience. The judge of course must turn to the supervised release conditions after announcing the custodial sentence. But if all the judge plans to do is to impose the supervised release conditions that have already been circulated (by the court or the probation office) and reviewed by the defendant, and if the judge gives the defendant a meaningful opportunity to make substantive objections, it can be gratuitously cruel to then make the defendant sit (or stand) through a five-, ten-, or at times fifteen-minute recitation of and justification for those conditions. If the defen *970 dant or his counsel wants that recitation, so be it, but otherwise, what possibly could be the point? After Anglin had just heard and was in the initial stages of coming to terms with the stark and awful reality of his 230-month custodial sentence, we very much doubt that he cared to endure the judge’s taking several minutes to tell him what he already knew, which is that that, upon his release in the early 2030s, he will have 72 hours to inform his probation officer of any change in his place of residence, or that he will have to submit to a drug test within fifteen days of his release and two tests within the following year, or that he will be unable to leave the judicial district without the court’s or the probation officer’s permission, or (unless he really loves irony) that he will need the court’s permission before entering into any agreement to act as an informer or special agent of a law enforcement agency.
Having presented and prevailed on this issue at the appellate level, Anglin will have the opportunity to hear the judge orally recite the supervised release conditions, unless he chooses to waive it. And because we are vacating the supervised release conditions, there is no need to resolve Anglins’ substantive challenges to them. See
United States v. Plada,
One challenged condition required Anglin to “notify the probation officer at least 10 days prior to any change in his place of residence or in his place of employment.” We have held that this condition “fails to indicate whether change in employment means changing employers or also includes changing from one position to another for the same employer.”
Kappes,
Another challenged condition required Anglin, at the probation officer’s direction, to “notify third parties of risks that may be occasioned by [his] criminal record or personal history or characteristics.” We have held that this condition impermissibly gives “no indication of what is meant by ‘personal history’ and ‘characteristics’ or what ‘risks’ must be disclosed to which ‘third parties.’ ”
Id.
at 934 (internal quotation marks omitted); see also
United States v. Bickart,
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The other challenged conditions are satisfactory. The condition requiring Anglin to “report to the probation officer in a manner and frequency as directed by the court or probation officer” is acceptable. See
Ortiz,
The final challenged condition, that Ang-lin “use his best efforts to find and hold lawful employment, unless excused by the probation officer for schooling, training, or other acceptable reasons (e.g., childcare, eldercare, disability, age, or serious health condition),” also passes muster. The condition does not require Anglin to work despite an inability to do so, see
Hill,
The question remains whether we should vacate the entire sentence and remand for a complete resentencing, or vacate only the supervised release conditions and limit the remand to modifying and orally pronouncing those conditions. We believe the better course is to vacate and remand only as to the supervised release conditions. See
United States v. Ray,
Anglin argues that vacatur of the supervised release conditions warrants a complete resentencing. We disagree. We do not think it plausible that orally pronouncing the conditions and slightly modifying some of them would induce the district judge to reconfigure other aspects of the sentence, particularly the imprisonment term. We remand for full resentencing only when such cross-cutting effects are within the realm of possibility. See
Kappes,
III. Conclusion
The district court’s judgment is affirmed, with the exception of the supervised release conditions, which are vacated. We remand for the limited purpose of amending and orally pronouncing the supervised release conditions.
AFFIRMED IN PART, VACATED AND REMANDED IN PART.
