— This is a proceeding for the probate of the will of the late Edward Hall, who died July 14, 1914, survived only *299by his widow and a brother. The widow presents for probate a will dated April 17, 1880, wherein she is named as the sole devisee and legatee as well as executrix. The brother of the deceased appeared in the proceeding and examined the witnesses offered by the proponent, took certain exceptions to the evidence introduced and at the close of the testimony made a motion to strike out part of the evidence received and also asked for the appointment of an administrator on the ground that there was no will. The brother, however, specifically avoided filing any objections. With the record in this state, I consider that there is no contest to the probate of the will, and the only question involved is as to the sufficiency of the proof to establish the will.

The instrument offered for probate purports to be witnessed by William H. Sisson and Amelia Sisson, neither of whom is produced in this proceeding, and the absence of the attesting witnesses has been the cause of the introduction of common-law proof for the purpose of establishing the will. This proof has met with the objection of' the deceased’s brother. Other evidence objected to consisted of two certificates of death, one of William H. Sisson and the other of Amelia Sisson, certified from the state department of health. The reception in evidence of these certificates was objected to, “ On the ground that they were incompetent, not properly authenticated, immaterial, irrelevant, not properly connected with the deceased witnesses and not proper proof of death.” A review of the evidence and the selection of the competent evidence seem necessary at this time in order to pass on the question presented. I think that the objections just mentioned were untenable. These certificates are made evidence by statute. (Code Civ. Ero., § 933.) The Public Health Law provides for the keeping of the records and I see no objection to the form of the certificates. A case directly in point is Matter of Francis (73 Misc. Rep. 148), in which Judge' Fowt.ee admitted just such proof, apparently on the authority of Keefe v. Supreme Council (37 App. Div. 276). My own idea, *300however, is that this evidence is competent and proper on another theory, one fairer to a contesting party .and more in accord with the long established rules of evidence. It will be observed that these certificates were not offered to prove a fact directly in issue. The proponent offered them simply to prove the death of witnesses to the instrument and not in any way to establish the main point at issue, to wit, the factum of the will, so that the contested proofs were offered only for the purpose of excusing the proponent from the production of one class of evidence and to permit her to prove part of her case by secondary evidence. This evidence did not in any way prove the proponent’s case. It simply permitted her to prove her case in a little different way than would ordinarily be required of her. In other words, it was a collateral and preliminary matter to the real case. For these reasons I consider that we may disregard the criticisms of Keefe v. Supreme Council and the apparently conflicting doctrine advanced in Davis v. Supreme Lodge (165 N. Y. 159), and in Buffalo Loan, T. & S. D. Co. v. Knight Temp.lars (126 id. 450), as these cases all dealt with the competency of health statistics on questions directly in issue.

I think, also, that there was plenty of evidence to identify the deceased mentioned in the certificates with the witnesses, among other things, like initials, corresponding age, same occupation, etc. This is true, particularly in view of the fact that this is a collateral matter and no proof is offered in dispute of the facts alleged.

The next evidence strenuously objected to was the testimony of Smith 3VI. Weed, an attorney at law, who was permitted to testify that about 1882 or 1883 the deceased and the proponent visited his office, showed him the will here offered for probate and the deceased then said that this instrument was his will and inquired if it was correctly drawn; that the witness thereupon drew a similar will for the proponent in favor of the deceased. This raises a very nice point relative to the prohibition of at*301torneys from testifying to communications to or by clients. The evidence was admitted on the theory that the communication was not confidential owing to the fact that two persons were present and that the present controversy is between the two clients, or rather between one client and the person representing the interest of the second client (if, in fact, they were both clients). (Whiting v. Barney, 30 N. Y. 330 ; Doheny v. Lacy, 168 id. 213, and cases therein cited.)

I am still inclined to believe that the evidence was properly admitted. Under the doctrine sustained in the cases just cited it seems clear that were this contest between the original clients over a disputed deed executed under the circumstances recited, there would seem to be no room for doubt as to the competency of the attorney’s testimony and I can see no distinction between such a controversy and the one under consideration, where the heir is a party only through his deceased brother. Were this question in doubt, I am strongly of the opinion that the proponent would deserve the leniency of the law in view of the milder and more flexible rule governing the testimony of attorneys at the time the communication actually transpired, to Wit, in 1882 or 1883, for, while 1 doubt that the proponent has any vested right to the benefit of the rules of evidence existing at the time this instrument was made, yet it would seem unjust to totally ignore the possibility that the parties may have been influenced by the then existing law in permitting the instrument to remain without additional evidentiary support.

I have discussed the foregoing questions because they are presented by the evidence offered and received in evidence. However, to my mind it is unnecessary in order to establish the validity of this will to look to any of the evidence objected to, as it seems to me that by totally ignoring this evidence the proponent has established a prima facie case for the probate of the will — and that is all that is necessary in an uncontested case.

The proof shows that the deceased was a civil engineer actively *302engaged in his work at the time the will is dated and that the witnesses were an accountant cashier and his wife, temporarily residing at the same place at the time in question. The deceased and his wife, the proponent, have no children. The will comes from the custody of the widow who is also its sole beneficiary and executrix. There is nothing in the appearance of the instrument to arouse suspicion; it bears the. marks of age and exhibits an honest face. It .bears a full and complete attestation clause. The signature of the testator was proven satisfactorily. The instrument having passed muster on the score of (1) custody (the executrix and beneficiary was a proper custodian), (2) appearance and (3) age, to wit, more than thirty years; it would seem to me that under the rule applicable to ancient documents the witnesses are presumed to be dead and very little evidence, if any, in addition to that already mentioned is necessary to establish it as a will; but having proven the handwriting of the witnesses I can see no objection to the probate of the will, even though we should not consider any of the evidence objected to. (Jackson v. Laroway, 3 Johns. Cas. 283 ; Clark v. Owens, 18 N. Y. 434 ; Fetherly v. Waggoner, 11 Wend. 603 ; Northrop v. Wright, 24 Wend. 221 ; Wilson v. Betts, 4 Den. 201 ; Burhans v. Blashan, 3 Johns. 292 ; Jackson v. Luquere, 5 Cow. 221 ; Wigm. Ev., § 1311, p. 2131.)

While a controversy exists between the various authorities above- cited on some features of ancient documents they all are based firmly- on the theory that a document thirty years old is presumed to be without living witnesses to its execution. This particular phase of the doctrine of ancient documents, so far as I know, has never been abridged by statute or even criticized in decisions and in my opinion it is now still the law, as it surely should be, since it is founded on the experience of centuries and the well-established average of the length of human life. The will is admitted to probate.

Probate decreed.