Tеresa Ann WILSON, Petitioner-Appellant, v. Michael MOORE, Commissioner of South Carolina Department of Corrections; Charles Molony Condon, Attorney General of the State of South Carolina, Respondents-Appellees.
No. 98-6577.
United States Court of Appeals, Fourth Circuit.
Argued Jan. 28, 1999. Decided May 25, 1999.
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ARGUED: David Isaac Bruck, Columbia, South Carolina, for Appellant. Robert Eugene Bogan, Assistant Attorney General, Columbia, South Carolina, for Appellees. ON BRIEF: Charles M. Condon, Attorney General, John W. McIntosh, Deputy Attorney General, Donald J. Zelenka, Assistant Deputy Attorney General, Columbia, South Carolina, for Appellees. Before WILKINSON, Chief Judge, TRAXLER, Circuit Judge, and GOODWIN, United States District Judge for the Southern District of West Virginia, sitting by designation.
Dr. Isenhower‘s testimony made clear that he considered and excluded other potential causes for Westberry‘s sinus disease. Furthermore, on cross-examination Dr. Isenhower explained why he did not believe that the cold Westberry developed in 1994 or the waterskiing he did over that summer accounted for his sinus problems. Accordingly, Dr. Isenhower‘s alleged failure to account for all possible alternative causes for Westberry‘s sinus problems did not prohibit the admissibility of his opinion as to causation.
III.
In sum, we reject GGAB‘s contention that Dr. Isenhower‘s testimony was invalid and untrustworthy. A reliable differential diagnosis provides a valid basis for an expert opinion on causаtion. And, Dr. Isenhower‘s differential diagnosis was sufficiently reliable. Because Dr. Isenhower‘s testimony satisfied the reliability and relevance standards of Rule 702, the district court properly admitted this testimony.3
AFFIRMED
OPINION
TRAXLER, Circuit Judge:
Appellant Teresa Ann Wilson (“Teresa“) applied under
The district court concluded that the South Carolina Supreme Court had disposed of Teresa‘s habeas petition on state procedural grounds and, therefore, had not considered the evidence. As a result, the district court also refused to consider it, taking into account only the evidence that had been before the state PCR court. Ultimately, the district court rejected Teresa‘s
We hold that the South Carolina Supreme Court rеjected Teresa‘s habeas petition on state procedural grounds and, therefore, did not take into account Teresa‘s evidence of spousal abuse. Thus, in ruling on her claims for relief under
I.
Teresa and her husband Ronnie Wilson (“Ronnie“) were indicted in South Carolina state court on two counts of conspiring to traffic cocaine and marijuana and one substantive trafficking count. They retained a single attorney to represent them at their joint trial. At a pretrial hearing, the trial judge detailed at length the perils of joint representation, and specifically explained the difficulties that could arise when an attorney representing co-defendants attempted to plea bargain.2 In fact,
Following a jury trial, the Wilsons were convicted on all three counts and sentenced to identical prison terms of twenty-five years. On direct review, the South Carolina Supreme Court affirmed the Wilsons’ conspiracy convictions but vacated their substantive trafficking convictions because of a jurisdictional infirmity. See State v. Wilson, 315 S.C. 289, 433 S.E.2d 864 (1993).
Teresa then sought post-conviction relief (PCR) in South Carolina Circuit Court. See
In April 1997, after obtaining new counsel, Teresa filed a
In support of her
Teresa‘s
The State moved to dismiss the petition, urging the South Carolina Supreme Court to find that Teresa‘s claims were procedurally barred under state law. Without requesting that the State formally answer the habeas petition, the South Carolina Supreme Court then summarily denied the petition in a one-sentence order: “Petition for Habeas Corpus is denied.” J.A. 221. The magistrate judge thereafter refused to consider the affidavits and the psychological report on BWS and recommended that the district court deny Teresa‘s
The district court agreed with the magistrate judge‘s recommendation that Teresa be denied relief on her
II.
Teresa directs her argument primarily toward the district court‘s ruling that the South Carolina Supreme Court refused to reach the merits of her habeas petition and, therefore, did not consider her new evidence. Teresa contends that the “denial” language used by the state supreme court in its summary order, and “the practical necessity” of considering the merits in order to decide if it should exercise its original jurisdiction, demonstrate that the court indeed considered the evidence but rejected her federal claims on the merits. Therefore, she argues, there is no procedural impediment to consideration of this newly presented evidence by a federal habeas court. And, she insists, were the court to include the additional affidavits and the psychological evidence in its analysis, “the merit of appellant‘s Sixth Amendment conflict claim becomes unmistakable.” Br. of Appellant at 10.
A.
Federal habeas courts may not consider a
The question here is whether a federal court may consider evidence submitted in support of a
The adequate and independent state ground doctrine, which precludes federal habeas courts from considering procedurally defaulted claims, rests on principles of comity; “[i]t concerns the respect that federal courts owe the States and the States’ procedural rules when reviewing the claims of state prisoners in federal habeas corpus.” Coleman v. Thompson, 501 U.S. 722, 726 (1991). In the same way, a federal habeas applicant must develop the factual basis for a claim in state court to “accommodate concerns of finality, comity, judicial economy, and channeling the resolution of claims into the most appropriate forum.” Keeney v. Tamayo-Reyes, 504 U.S. 1, 8 (1992). As the Keeney Court observed, “it is
Accordingly, the district court could only consider this newly presented evidence on summary judgment if the state supreme court disposed of the habeas petition on the merits, which would require consideration of the new evidence. Conversely, if the state supreme court found the petition procedurally barred, and therefore did not consider the new evidence, the district court could not take the new evidence into account when considering Teresa‘s
B.
We turn, then, to the question of whether the South Carolina Supreme Court, in its original jurisdiction, ruled on the merits of Teresa‘s habeas petition and, therefore, necessarily considered the new evidence. Although the concept that federal habeas courts may not consider a
The rub comes in attempting to decipher the basis for an unexplained state order, i.e., in deciding whether a state court‘s summary disposition—like the one-sentence denial at issue here—“fairly appears” to rest on federal law or on an adequate and independеnt state ground. Fortunately, there are some general guideposts to direct our inquiry. First, federal habeas courts should simply look to the text of the state court‘s order for clues, see Skipper v. French, 130 F.3d 603, 611 (4th Cir. 1997), in particular whether the state order mentions federal law, see Coleman,
C.
Guided by these general precepts, we turn to consider whether the South Carolina Supreme Court‘s one-sentence order denying Teresa‘s petition for a writ of habeas corpus “fairly appears” to rest on federal law.
1.
The order of the South Carolina Supreme Court makes no mention of federal law. Teresa contends that this omission is not a meaningful clue as to the basis of the decision since the order does not mention state law either. Contrary to Teresa‘s position, however, the Supreme Court has made clear that the failure to mention federal law supports the conclusion that the state order “fairly appears” to rest on state law, even though the state order does not refer expressly to state law. See Coleman, 501 U.S. at 738 (“It is not necessarily the case that state courts will take pains to provide a clear and express statement of procedural default in all cases.“). Actually, it has been readily apparent since Coleman that the laсk of any mention of federal law is a significant indication that the state order does not rest on federal law. See id. at 740; Smith, 14 F.3d at 964 (“This failure is extremely significant in view of the importance the Supreme Court has placed on the necessity of a clear indication that federal law controlled the decision prior to applying the Harris presumption.“); see also Jones v. Jerrison, 20 F.3d 849, 855-56 (8th Cir. 1994) (refusing to apply the Harris presumption to a one-sentence state order because the order did not refer to federal law). Accordingly, we conclude that the failure of the South Carolina Supreme Court to mention federal law strongly supports the conclusion that its decision does not fairly appear to rest on federal law. See Coleman, 501 U.S. at 740; Smith, 14 F.3d at 964 (finding “the failure of the summary order to refer to federal law ... compelling evidence that the summary order does not fairly appear to rest on federal law or to be interwoven with federal law“).
2.
Teresa contends that the South Carolina Supreme Court‘s disposition of her petition—a “denial” rather than a “dismissal“—indicates that the court considered the merits of her petition or, at the least, gives us good cause to question whether the state order was founded upon an adequate and independent state ground.
We first note that although the use of “deny” or “dismiss” by the state court might provide a hint as to the basis for a state court‘s summary disposition, see Ylst, 501 U.S. at 802, federal habeas courts are not to conclude blindly that the summary “denial” of a habeas petition always and necessarily means the state court considered the merits of a claim, regardless of context, see Smith, 14 F.3d at 970 (explaining that in light of North Carolina law, the state court‘s “denial” did not necessarily indicate the state court considered the merits). Context is
Relying on three unpublished orders in which the South Carolina Supreme Court disposed of various habeas petitions, Teresa argues that the South Carolina Supreme Court has been careful to use the term “deny” when rejecting a habeas petition on the merits. We cannot agree. Indeed, one of the very orders upon which Teresa relies, Adams v. Moore, (S.C. Aug. 17, 1995) (unpublished order), illustrates the opposite point—that the South Carolina Supreme Court attaches no particular meaning to the term “deny” as opposed to “dismiss.” In the Adams order, the court expressly rejected one habeas claim on procedural grounds and the remaining claims on their merits. The court concluded that the habeas petition should be “denied” in its entirety, failing to distinguish between the procedurally barred claim and the claims which were rejected on the merits. See J.A. 234-36.
The second unpublished order of the South Carolina Supreme Court that Teresa relies upon is similar to the order in this case, providing in its entirety, “The petition for writ of habeas corpus is denied.” Woomer v. State, (S.C. June 8, 1989) (unpublished order); see J.A. 239. However, we do not find the court‘s use of “denied”9 particularly telling. The State moved that the court clarify the basis of its order in Woomer so as to avoid the effect of the Harris presumption. The South Carolina Supreme Court denied the motion. Teresa suggests that the United States Supreme Court subsequently considered the merits of Woomer‘s habeas claims when it stayed the petitioner‘s execution while his petition for certiorari was pending, see Woomer v. Evatt, 491 U.S. 901 (1989) (mem.), but later denied certiorari, see Woomer v. Evatt, 494 U.S. 1060 (1990) (mem.). We do not read into the actions of the Supreme Court the meaning which Teresa commends to us. Further, the Woomer order was issued prior to the South Carolina Supreme Court‘s order in Adams in which the court “denied” habeas claims on both procedural and substantive grounds. Thus, even if the Woomer order was instructive, the South Carolina Supreme Court, since that time, has employed the term “denied” to dispose of claims on both procedural grounds and on the merits.
We simply cannot discern a pattern in the South Carolina Supreme Court‘s use of “denied” as opposed to “dismissed” in disposing of habeas petitions on their merits or on state procedural grounds. Accordingly, we do not find the use of “denied” versus “dismissed” particularly instructive, and we reject Teresa‘s position that it requires the conclusion that her petition was rejected on the merits.
3.
After examining the totality of the circumstances accompanying the entry of the
As an initial matter, it is helpful to understand the nature of the relief Teresa sought when she made her belated return to state court during the course of her federal habeas proceedings. It is clear that Teresa‘s claims, which presented new factual grounds for relief, would have been barred had they been presented in a successive PCR application. The South Carolina Uniform Post-Conviction Procedure Act requires PCR applicants to present all of their claims and grounds for relief at the same time:
All grounds for relief available to an applicant under this chapter must be raised in his original, supplemental or amended application. Any ground finally adjudicated or not so raised ... may not be the basis for a subsequent application, unless the court finds a ground for relief asserted which for sufficient reason was not asserted or was inadequately raised in the original, supplemental or amended application.
Aware of the rule against successive PCR applications, Teresa instead sought a writ of habeas corpus from the South Carolina Supreme Court in its original jurisdiction. In South Carolina, the scope of habeas corpus relief has been greatly curtailed by the South Carolina Uniform Post-Conviction Procedure Act, which essentially displaced the relief that was previously available under the common law writ. See
The South Carolina Supreme Court, however, retains its power under the state constitution to grant а writ of habeas corpus in its original jurisdiction. See id. at 431 n. 4. But, this remedy is available only under the most extraordinary circumstances. The South Carolina Supreme Court, sitting in its original jurisdiction, will grant a writ of habeas corpus to correct only those infractions which “in the setting, constitute[ ] a denial of fundamental fairness shocking to the universal sense of justice.” Butler v. State, 302 S.C. 466, 397 S.E.2d 87, 88 (1990) (internal quotation marks omitted) (emphasis in original). At bottom, habeas relief exists in South Carolina for prisoners who, after exhausting all other means of relief, have “been utterly failed by [the] criminal justice system.” State v. Torrence, 305 S.C. 45, 406 S.E.2d 315, 328 (1991) (Toal, J., concurring).
Thus, Teresa sought an extreme remedy from the South Carolina Supreme Court based on grounds she agrees were available during her state PCR proceedings. Nevertheless, she argues that these new grounds for relief were not subject to dismissal on state procedural grounds because, she claims, the South Carolina Supreme Court‘s review of habeas petitions under the Butler “fundamental fairness” standard necessarily requires a merits determination. According to this argument, habeas petitions invoking the original jurisdiction of the South Carolina Supreme Court are free of procedural strictures and
It has long been the case under South Carolina law that habeas corpus “cannot be used as a substitute for appeal or other remedial procedure[s] for the correction of errors of law of which the defendant had an opportunity to avail himself.” Tyler v. State, 247 S.C. 34, 145 S.E.2d 434, 436 (1965). Thus, a prisoner may not disguise what is really a PCR application by calling it a habeas petition. See Simpson, 495 S.E.2d at 431. This is so because South Carolina, like other jurisdictions, has a strong interest in promoting finality in the criminal justice system and in limiting the stream of attempts at collateral relief in any one case which often are “limited only by the imagination and creativity of skilled attorneys.” Aice, 409 S.E.2d at 394. As the South Carolina Supreme Court has explained:
Finality must be realized at some point in order to achieve a semblance of effectiveness in dispensing justice. At some juncture judicial review must stop, with only the very rarest of exceptions, when the system has simply failed a defendant and where to continue the defendant‘s imprisonment without review would amount to a gross miscarriage of justice.
Id. (citing Butler, 397 S.E.2d at 87). Therefore, “[h]abeas corpus is available only when other remedies, such as PCR, are inadequate or unavailable.” Gibson v. State, 329 S.C. 37, 495 S.E.2d 426, 428 (1998). And, in order to demonstrate that they are not executing an end-run around PCR procedures, state habeas petitioners must generally show that “PCR is unavailable, all other remedies have been exhausted, and the issues raised now could not have been raised in their prior PCR applications.” Id. at 429.
Teresa‘s petition for habeas corpus to the South Carolina Supreme Court was nothing more than an attempt to file a second PCR apрlication raising grounds for relief which she could have raised in support of her first PCR application. There was nothing extraordinary about the claims she raised in her habeas petition—they were, in fact, identical to the claims she raised to the PCR court. Clearly, Teresa was unable to show that the issues raised in her state habeas petition could not have been raised in her prior PCR application, and therefore habeas relief—an extraordinary remedy—was inappropriate. See id. at 428. Because South Carolina eschews the use of habeas as a belated substitute for a previously denied PCR application—which is certainly what happened here—we conclude that Teresa‘s habeas petition did not afford the South Carolina Supreme Court the extraordinary reason necessary to exercise its original habeas jurisdiction. The fact that habeas relief was inappropriate is strong evidence that the South Carolina Suprеme Court did not consider Teresa‘s federal claims on the merits.
There are other considerations that bolster our conclusion that the circumstances surrounding the entry of the South Carolina Supreme Court‘s order suggest a procedural disposition. For one, the State urged the South Carolina Supreme Court to dismiss Teresa‘s habeas petition solely on procedural grounds. See Coleman, 501 U.S. at 740. The State argued that the claims raised in Teresa‘s habeas petition were based on factual grounds that could have been advanced in support of her original PCR application and were thus barred as successive under
This is particularly revealing in light of the procedural posture of the petition when it was rejected. The South Carolina Rules of Appellate Procedure provide as follows:
A party seeking to have the Supreme Court entertain an action in its original jurisdiction (petitioner) shall serve on all other parties (respondents) a petition for original jurisdiction, a complaint setting forth the claim for relief ... and a notice advising each respondent he has twenty (20) days from the date of service to serve and file a return to the petition.... Failure of a party to timely file a return may be deemed a consent by that party to the matter being heard in the original jurisdiction.... If the petition is granted, the respondent shall have thirty (30) days to serve and file an answer to the complaint. The Supreme Court may provide for discovery, fact finding and/or a briefing schedule as necessary.
Rule 229(c), SCACR (emphasis added).10 Thus, a respondent need not even address the merits of a habeas petition unless the court first decides to exercise its оriginal jurisdiction and grants the petition.
Here, the State filed a return to Teresa‘s petition urging the court not to exercise its original jurisdiction; it did not file an answer to the complaint addressing the merits of her claims. The State specifically noted this fact in its return: “Respondent will assume ... that the Court does not reach the substance and merits of Petitioner‘s claim unless the Court actually requires Respondent to file an answer and provides for discovery pursuant to Rule 229(c), South Carolina Rules of Appellate Practice.” J.A. 219. Because the court did not agree to hear the matter in its original jurisdiction, the State was not required to address the merits of the petition by filing an answer, nor did the court provide for any discovery or fact finding by the litigants. The court did nothing to suggest that it was considering Teresa‘s claims on their merits. On the contrary, the court‘s rejection of the petition without requiring a response from the State implies just the opposite—that the court never reached the merits of the petition.
A procedural disposition of Teresa‘s petition is also consistent with the South Carolina Supreme Court‘s historical reluctance to exercise its original jurisdiction, especially when there are other potential avenues of relief for the petitioner:
Although Article V, § 5, of the South Carolina Constitution vests this Court with the authority to issue extraordinary writs and entertain actions in its original jurisdiction, this Court‘s primary function is to act as an appellate court to review appeals from the trial courts.... [T]his Court has indicated it will not entertain matters in its original jurisdiction where the matter can be entertained in the trial courts of this State. Only when there is an extraordinary reason such as a question of significant public interest or an emergency will this Court exercise its original jurisdiction.
Key v. Currie, 305 S.C. 115, 406 S.E.2d 356, 357 (1991); see also Rule 229(a), SCACR (“The Supreme Court will not entertain matters in its original jurisdiction when the matter can be determined in a lower court in the first instance, without material prejudice to the rights of the parties.“). In view of the fact that Teresa‘s habeas petition is nothing more than an attempt to revitalize her first PCR claim, we are convinced that the Supreme Court of South Carolina did not take the “extraordinary” step of exercising its original jurisdiction to review her petition on the merits.
III.
Having concluded that the district court correctly refused to consider the evidence of Teresa‘s alleged BWS, we turn to the merits of her
Teresa asserts two claims in her
The district court concluded that the performance of Teresa‘s counsel was not hampered by an actual conflict of interest and, therefore, that the PCR court correctly rejected this claim. With respect to the waiver issue, the district court determined that, even if an actual conflict existed, Teresa waived her right to separate counsel.
A.
We consider first whether the PCR court‘s determination that Teresa waived her right to separate counsel rests upon an application of “the relevant precedent in a manner that reasonable jurists would all agree is unreasonable.” Green, 143 F.3d at 870. Although a criminal defendant has a Sixth Amendment right to conflict-free counsel, this right may be waived so long as the waiver is knowing, voluntary, and intelligent. See Gilbert v. Moore, 134 F.3d 642, 653 (4th Cir.) (en banc), cert. denied, U.S., 119 S.Ct. 103, 142 L.Ed.2d 82 (1998).
It seems quite clear that Teresa‘s waiver was knowing and intelligent. Prior to signing the waiver form, she was alerted by the trial judge to virtually еvery latent danger that could arise before or during the course of the trial. The trial judge explained the concept of “conflict of interest” and made the Wilsons aware that one of them could very well end up testifying against the other. Cf. Hoffman v. Leeke, 903 F.2d 280, 289 (4th Cir. 1990) (finding waiver was not knowing because defendant was never told the meaning of conflict of interest or that his co-defendants might testify against him). In light of the evidence before the PCR court, Teresa has pointed to nothing that indicates her decision to use the same lawyer as her husband was not a knowing and voluntary decision. See Gilbert, 134 F.3d at 653 (noting that the habeas petitioner bears the burden of demonstrating that the waiver was not voluntary).
In view of the factual determination by the PCR court and the lengthy pretrial hearing before the trial judge addressing the waiver issue, we cannot conclude that the PCR court, in holding that Teresa effectively waived separate counsel, applied the relevant precedent in a manner that reasonable jurists would all agree is unreasonable. See Green, 143 F.3d at 870.
B.
Even if we believed the state court unreasonably determined that Teresa waived her right to separate counsel, she would still not be afforded any relief because we agree with the district court that her counsel‘s performance was not adversely affected by an actual conflict of interest.
In order to establish an ineffective assistance of counsel claim based on a conflict of interest, a federal habeas applicant must first show that an actual conflict of interest exists. See Cuyler, 446 U.S. at 348. Since joint representation does not amount to a per se constitutional violation, merely demonstrating a potential conflict of interest will not suffice. See Gilbert, 134 F.3d at 652. An actual conflict exists when the defendants’ “interests diverge[d] with respect to a material factual or legal issue or to a course of action.” Id. (internal quotation marks omitted) (alteration in original). Second, the habeas applicant must demonstrate that the conflict of interest adversely affected counsel‘s performance. See Cuyler, 446 U.S. at 350. The adverse performance requirement is satisfied “if the attorney took action on behalf of one client that was necessarily adverse to the defense of the other or failed to take action on behalf of one because it would adversely affect the other.” Williams v. French, 146 F.3d 203, 212 (4th Cir. 1998), cert. denied, U.S., 119 S.Ct. 1061, 143 L.Ed.2d 66 (1999). Prejudice is presumed and the applicant is entitled to relief, however, if these showings are made. See Gilbert, 134 F.3d at 652.
Because the PCR court made no express determination of whether the Wilsons’ trial
Terеsa argues that an actual conflict became apparent when Teresa was offered a plea bargain of seven to twenty-five years; Ronnie was offered no such deal. She contends it was clearly in her best interest to pursue a plea arrangement, including the possibility of cooperating against Ronnie. Because of her attorney‘s duty of loyalty to Ronnie, she claims, this option was not vigorously pursued. However, Teresa‘s trial counsel provided unrefuted testimony at the PCR hearing that, when he presented Teresa with the plea bargain—which he negotiated with the prosecutor—she and Ronnie both rejected the idea of Teresa receiving any jail time. According to counsel, Ronnie was prepared to plead guilty as long as Teresa would avoid doing a prison sentence. As the district court noted, Teresa‘s failure to obtain a plea bargain was, in large part, the result of her desire to avoid prison, which was unrealistic in light of the abundant evidence linking her to the drug conspiracy. In any event, we perceive no actual conflict under the circumstances.
Moreover, the testimony during the PCR hearing made clear that Teresa and Ronnie did not have antagonistic positions with respect to any factual or legal issues. Counsel testified that Ronnie consistently maintained the position that Teresa was not involved in the conspiracy; that neither of them had a good factual defense to the conspiracy charges; and that the best defense for both of them was legal in nature.
We conclude that Teresa has not demonstrated that her attorney‘s performance was adversely affected by an actual conflict, and we therefore reject her claims for federal habeas relief.
IV.
For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the state courts of South Carolina, in rejecting Teresa‘s Sixth Amendment claims, did not consider the evidence of her alleged physical abuse. Accordingly, we will not consider it either. Having found her claims to be without merit, we affirm the district court‘s denial of her
AFFIRMED
Notes
[W]hen one lawyer represents two or more defendants in any case, a lawyer may not be able to represent all of the defendants to the fullest extent of the law. This may create a conflict of interest which could deny one of the defendants the right to effective assistance of counsel. Each defendant has the right to have a lawyer who represents him and only him. And as you know, if you can‘t afford a lawyer, I will appoint one for you.
This kind of conflict of interest can be dangerous to a defendant in a number of ways. The government might let a defendant who is not as involved as other defendants plead guilty to lesser charges than their other defendants. J.A. 13-14.
The judge then elaborated on the problems presented by plea negotiations:
[I]f you have a lawyer who represents more than one defendant, suppose the [State has] offered one of the defendants to enter a plea to a lesser offense or to work out some kind of real good deal with them in exchange for testimony. If you have got one lawyer representing two or more people, that lawyer may try to persuade that defendant not to plead guilty in order to protect ... the other person that that lawyer represents.... He might recommend that ... the deal is good, you go ahead and take it know[ing] then that that person is going to be testifying against his other client that he has got remaining. J.A. 14.
THE COURT: What about you, Mr. Wilson, what are your—
MR. WILSON: I—we—I will go ahead—That‘s fine with me.
THE COURT: Both of you want to keep the same—
MR. WILSON: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: —the same lawyer?
MS. WILSON: (Nods head in the affirmative).
THE COURT: ... And, Ms. Wilson, I didn‘t ask you, but you concur with that?
MS. WILSON: Yes, sir. J.A. 19-20.
