This appeal presents this Court with an opportunity to examine the issues involved in the evaluation of claims of race and sex discrimination in the selection of federal grand jury forepersons by United States District Judges. The government invites us to accept the district court’s conclusion in this case that the office of federal grand jury foreperson is constitutionally insignificant and therefore that allegations of discrimination in the selection of forepersons cannot form the basis for a motion to dismiss a criminal indictment. But in light of prior precedent and our belief that discrimination in the selection of federal grand jury forepersons “strikes at the fundamental values of our judicial system and our society as a whole,”
Rose
v.
Mitchell,
I.
In November 1980, a federal grand jury empanelled in the Middle District of Georgia indicted William Howard Cross, Sr., along with four codefendants, for conspiracy to import methaqualone (quaaludes), conspiracy to possess methaqualone with intent to distribute, importation, and possession. Before his trial, Cross moved to dismiss his indictment. 1 He alleged two grounds in support of this motion: first, that the procedures by which grand jurors and petit jurors had been selected in the Middle District of Georgia since 1973 did not ensure random selection from a fair cross section of the community as required by the Sixth Amendment and the Jury Selection and Service Act of 1968, as amended, 28 U.S.C.A. § 1861 et seq.; and second, that blacks and women had been discriminated against in the selections of grand jury forepersons, in violation of the Fifth Amendment. 2 Cross subsequently filed a motion for recusal of the three district judges of the Middle District of Georgia who had participated in the selection of grand jury forepersons since 1973.
The district court entered an opinion and order on these motions 1) reserving ruling on the challenges to the composition of the grand and petit juries,
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2) denying the challenge to the selection of grand jury forepersons, and 3) denying the recusal motion.
United States v. Cross,
*632 it is the opinion of this court that no constitutional significance attaches to the position of foreman or deputy foreman of a federal grand jury. A criminal defendant has no constitutional right to a grand jury foreman or deputy foreman of a particular race or sex any more than he has a constitutional right to a grand jury panel of a particular composition or a constitutional right to a Supreme Court Justice, a United States Circuit Judge, or United States District Judge of a particular race or sex. Accordingly, the court holds that the appointment by a district judge under Rule 6(c), Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, of a foreman or deputy foreman in a federal grand jury drawn from a source constitutionally and statutorily composed, and thus representing a fair cross-section of the community, is not subject to constitutional attack on grounds of discrimination.
*633 II.
The district court denied Cross standing to raise his Fifth Amendment challenge to the selections of grand jury forepersons because Cross is a white male. In denying standing, the court quoted dictum in
Castenada v. Partida,
Similarly,
Rose v. Mitchell, supra,
which quoted the language at issue in
Castenada, see
The harm is not only to the accused, indicted as he is by a jury from which a segment of the community has been excluded. It is to society as a whole. “The injury is not limited to the defendant— there is injury to the jury system, to the law as an institution, to the community at large, and to the democratic ideal reflected in the processes of our courts.” Ballard v. United States,329 U.S. 187 , 195,67 S.Ct. 261 , 265,91 L.Ed. 181 (1946).
The significance of the fact that neither
Castenada
nor
Rose
presented or decided the question of standing is that the holding of
Peters v. Kiff,
In light of Peters v. Kiff, Taylor v. Louisiana, United States v. Perez-Hernandez, and United States v. Holman, we conclude that appellant Cross, a white male, has standing to challenge the selection of grand jury forepersons on grounds of underrepre-sentation of blacks and women.
III.
Having decided that Cross has standing to raise his claim of discrimination in the selection of grand jury forepersons, we turn to the merits of the issue of whether the office of federal grand jury foreperson is, as the district court concluded, constitutionally insignificant.
As recently as
Rose v. Mitchell, supra,
the Supreme Court reaffirmed the longstanding fundamental principle that discrimination in the administration of justice harms the accused and undermines the integrity of the judicial process itself. This recognition traces its roots back to
Strauder v. West Virginia,
Discrimination on the basis of race, odious in all aspects, is especially pernicious in the administration of justice. Selection of members of a grand jury because they are of one race and not another destroys the appearance of justice and thereby casts doubt on the integrity of the judicial process. The exclusion from grand jury service of Negroes, or any group otherwise qualified to serve, impairs the confidence of the public in the administration of justice. As this Court repeatedly has emphasized, such discrimination “not only violates our Constitution and the laws enacted under it but is at war with our basic concepts of a democratic society and a representative government.” Smith v. Texas,311 U.S. 128 , 130 [61 S.Ct. 164 , 165,85 L.Ed. 84 ] (1940) (footnote omitted). The harm is not only to the accused, indicted as he is by a jury from which a segment of the community has been excluded. It is to society as a whole. “The injury is not limited to the defendant — there is injury to the jury system, to the law as an institution, to the community at large, and to the democratic ideal reflected in the processes of our courts.” Ballard v. United States,329 U.S. 187 , 195,67 S.Ct. 261 , 265,91 L.Ed. 181 (1946).
The government now takes the position that the principles articulated in Strauder and Rose do not apply to claims of discrimi *635 nation in the selection of federal grand jury forepersons. The government asserts that, in the federal system, the grand jury foreperson performs only “ministerial” tasks and that the position has little or no significance. This is, the government continues, in contrast with the position of grand jury foreperson in some states (such as Tennessee) where significant responsibilities are set out by statute. In the federal system, the only description of the grand jury foreperson’s responsibilities is contained in Fed. R.Crim.P. 6(c), which provides:
Foreman and Deputy Foreman. The court shall appoint one of the jurors to be foreman and another to be deputy foreman. The foreman shall have power to administer oaths and affirmations and shall sign all indictments. He or another juror designated by him shall keep a record of the number of jurors concurring in the finding of every indictment and shall file the record with the clerk of the court, but the record shall not be made public except on order of the court. During the absence of the foreman, the deputy foreman shall act as foreman.
In support of its argument that the office of foreperson is insignificant, the government further points out that the absence of the foreperson’s signature is not fatal to an indictment.
See
Fed.R.Crim.P. 6(c) advisory committee note;
Frisbie v. United States,
The Supreme Court has never addressed the question of whether the position of federal grand jury foreperson is constitutionally significant. The government contends that the Court has never even decided the constitutional significance of the office of grand jury foreperson in any of the 50 states. The Court in
Rose
did assume, without deciding, that a defendant may allege discrimination in the selection of Tennessee grand jury forepersons as a basis for a motion to dismiss his indictment.
See
Since
Rose,
the former Fifth Circuit and the Eleventh Circuit have directly addressed claims of discrimination in grand jury foreperson selections in both the state system and the federal system.
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In
Guice v. Fortenberry,
[i]f convictions must be set aside because of taint of the grand jury, we see no reason to differentiate the result because discrimination affected only the foreman. Accepting the assumption made in Rose v. Mitchell, we hold, therefore, that the district court properly considered the claim of discrimination in the selection of *636 [Louisiana] grand jury foremen made in the habeas corpus petition filed by Guice and Claxton.
Even if we were not bound by Eleventh Circuit precedent, we would not adopt the government’s contention that the position of federal grand jury foreperson is too insignificant to-form a basis for challenging an indictment. Three reasons support this conclusion.
First, the responsibilities and duties of the foreperson in the federal system cannot, in our view, be dismissed as merely ministerial. 6 For example, the foreperson decides when to contact the district judge, and the foreperson consults with the judge outside the presence of the grand jury. 7 Communications between the United States Attorney’s office and the grand jury are through the foreperson. The foreperson decides when to convene and recess the grand jury. The foreperson, acting alone, may excuse grand jurors on a temporary basis. The foreperson may decide the order in which witnesses are called. The foreperson maintains order in the grand jury. The foreperson helps the United States Attorney decide whether to initiate contempt proceedings against recalcitrant witnesses. And according to an offer of proof made by Cross in the trial court, Assistant United States Attorneys were even prepared to testify that on occasion they had sought grand jury subpoena approval from the foreperson acting alone without the consent of the entire grand jury. These duties and responsibilities, and numerous others, considered in isolation, may under certain circumstances seem “ministerial.” However, the overall extent and nature of the foreperson’s responsibility for the very functioning of the grand jury should not permit the conclusion that the position is constitutionally insignificant.
This reasoning is reinforced by testimony of federal district judges in cases in the Northern District of Florida and the Southern District of Florida as to their selection procedures for grand jury forepersons.
See United States v. Holman,
Second, even if leadership qualities and administrative ability were not considered in the selection process, the fact of a person’s selection as grand jury foreperson may render the position significant. A foreperson has only one vote on the grand jury, but the selection by the district judge might appear to other grand jurors as a sign of judicial favor which could endow the foreperson with enhanced persuasive influence over his or her peers. 9
Third, regardless of the importance of the office of grand jury foreperson, we would not be inclined to refuse to inquire into a federal judge’s selection process. To do so would leave us in the indefensible position of scrutinizing, pursuant to
Rose v. Mitchell,
state grand jury foreperson selections for discrimination, while we would look the other way when similar challenges are raised against federal selections. We do not presume to guess at this point whether the federal judges of the Middle District of Georgia have in fact discriminated; we cannot, however, refuse to even permit an inquiry into their selection process. As the Court in
Rose
indicated, discrimination in the selection process “is especially pernicious in the administration of justice,”
The government seeks to distinguish
Rose
from the instant case on the ground that the Tennessee grand jury foreperson performs significant functions which the federal foreperson does not. In light of our earlier discussion of the federal position, we find few significant differences, and these differences are insufficient for a conclusion that the federal position is constitutionally insignificant. One difference is that the responsibilities of the federal foreperson have been developed by custom, practice,
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and necessity. Unlike the situation in Tennessee, no federal statute describes the role in detail. In terms of practical effect, however, we fail to see any difference as to whether the position is described by statute or by less formal means. And we do not understand the government to be arguing that, if the foreperson undertakes the duties we described above, he or she is acting
ultra vires.
The Tennessee foreperson also apparently serves more than one grand jury and assists the district attorney in investigating crime.
See Mitchell v. Rose,
The district court and the government also point out that in Tennessee the foreperson does not actually serve as a member of any grand jury, but instead is selected from the public at large and serves several grand juries. In the federal system, on the other hand, the district judge selects a foreperson from the grand jury after it has been empanelled. But this difference is irrelevant insofar as it pertains to the significance of the foreperson’s responsibilities in presiding over any given grand jury. Moreover, as long as the pool of potential forepersons contains qualified blacks and women, there should be no difference over the long run in the racial and sexual identity of those selected. In fact, if anything, the office of Tennessee foreperson arguably is less important than that of federal foreperson because the Tennessee foreperson, unlike the federal foreperson, is restricted to performing administrative functions. He does not participate in the grand jury voting process,
see Rose v. Mitchell,
To decide this appeal we need not speculate as to the possible effect of the alleged discrimination on Cross and other defendants in the Middle District of Georgia. It is enough for us that appellant has alleged discrimination in the selection process for a position on the grand jury which has significant responsibilities. Otherwise, if we were to decide that the foreperson position is insignificant, it would in our view be but a small step toward deciding in the next case that other compositional defects in the grand jury also are irrelevant. If the grand jury is to effectively fulfill its role as a check on prosecutorial abuse, the judicial system must jealously guard against attempts at undermining the grand jury’s constitutional significance. For this reason, we disagree with the conclusion of the district court.
IV.
The basis for Cross’s recusal motion was that, having made the foreperson selections, the district judges of the Middle District of Georgia would be called as witnesses in a hearing on the merits of the foreperson discrimination claim. The district court, reasoning that the claim was to be dismissed and that “judges are under no obligation to divulge the reasons that motivated them in their official acts,” concluded that a district judge’s “subjective decision . made in the exercise of the judge’s judicial authority” should not be “subject to assault on the witness stand.”
Challenges to federal grand jury foreperson selections have been brought in other federal district courts in this Circuit. In each of these cases, the courts apparently have had little difficulty in calling federal
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district judges to the witness stand. For example, in
United States v. Jenison,
Even with this precedent, we recognize that “[i]t is a firmly established rule in our jurisprudence that a judge may not be asked to testify about his mental processes in reaching a judicial decision.”
Washington v. Strickland,
The question of recusal, however, should be decided as an initial matter by the district judge. For this reason, we remand this issue to the district court for reconsideration in light of our holding permitting Cross to present his claim, and in light of the fact that the testimony of a federal district judge in this matter probably would not conflict with the general rule against probing a judge’s mental processes.
V.
For the above reasons, we REVERSE the judgment of the district court which denied appellant’s foreperson discrimination claim and his recusal motion and REMAND for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
Notes
. Two of Cross’s codefendants waived a jury trial and were convicted, the third pled guilty, and the fourth was a fugitive as of the time of the filing of this appeal.
. According to Cross, no blacks or women had served as foreperson on any of the fifteen grand juries empanelled in the Middle District of Georgia between July 31, 1973, and May 29, 1981.
. The district court, after evidentiary hearings on the grand and petit jury challenges, ruled against them; Cross does not raise these challenges in this appeal.
. Justice Marshall, in an opinion joined by Justices Douglas and Stewart, analyzed the exclusion of blacks from grand jury service as a violation of due process. In a concurring opinion, Justice White, joined by Justices Brennan and Powell, framed the issue as a statutory violation.
See
18 U.S.C.A. § 243. But as the Supreme Court later noted, “[s]ix members of the Court [in Peters] agreed that petitioner was entitled to present the issue and concluded that he had been deprived of his federal rights,” even though the defendant was white.
Taylor v. Louisiana,
. The Eleventh Circuit has adopted as binding precedent the case law of the former Fifth Circuit handed down as of September 30, 1981, unless and until such precedent is overruled or modified by this Court en banc.
Bonner v. City of Prichard,
. The district court, in reaching a contrary conclusion on this issue, held no evidentiary hearings to determine the foreperson’s responsibilities. In light of prior precedent and the analysis infra, we decide this issue as a matter of law.
. The record in this appeal includes correspondence between a grand jury foreperson and District Judge Owens which reflects a substantial role on the part of the foreperson in the selection of a deputy foreperson and in determining the grand jury’s schedule.
. For example, Appellant Cross made an offer of proof to the trial court of testimony of United States Attorneys that would show that “[o]n several occasions, the grand jury foreman was critical of the manner in which the United States Attorney’s office conducted investigations before the grand jury, and the United States Attorney’s office was responsive to those criticisms.”
The nature of the relationship between the grand jury foreperson and the United States Attorney could have a significant effect on the deliberations of the grand jury. For example,
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in the recent case of
Bryant v. Wainwright,
. This analysis is limited to Fifth Amendment claims. As several courts have noted, claims of underrepresentation in grand jury foreperson selections presented under the Sixth Amendment raise entirely different considerations.
See, e.g., United States v. Musto,
. In approving the remedy of motions to dismiss indictments, the Court rejected alternative remedies, such as injunctions and other civil actions, as impractical and “expensive to maintain and lengthy.”
. Moreover, the federal grand jury foreperson’s signature on an indictment gives the indictment a presumption of validity.
Ward v. United States,
