*2 October 1978 he was convicted in the TANG, Before ALARCON Superior and County Court for of Los An- KOZINSKI, Judges. geles Circuit in the State of California of the crime illegal possession machinegun of a ALARCON, Judge: Circuit violation of 12220of the California Penal § Walter Code, David (Tallmadge) punishable by crime a term of indicted on January imprisonment 1986 for knowingly exceeding year. one Cal. Pe- receiving being six rifles after (West convicted in nal Supp. 1987). Code 12220 § the State of California of a punisha- stipulation crime alleges further that Tallmadge ble a term imprisonment exceeding was told the state trial year one violation U.S.C. date of sentencing, February 1979, that 922(h)(1) (1982), for knowingly § and re- had been felony. convicted ceiving possessing a rifle having stipulation after provides January also that on been 26, 1982, convicted of a in the State of court “expunged state California in U.S.C.App. violation reduced to a misdemeanor” the 1978 con- 1202(a)(1)(1982). Tallmadge was also ac- viction. parties stipulated further cused, counts, in separate of making false in the same court proceeding state Tall- statements likely federally madge to deceive a li- was informed the court “that the censed acquisition dealer in the expunction of each order did release dangerous deadly weapons.” (Emphasis prior disclose the conviction obligation to added). application to a direct response any state or licensure public office 4,1982, Tallmadge January requested On agency.”
or local Angeles that the Probation Officer of Los County recommend the state trial court attorney his trial testified pending that it should dismiss the criminal contention support of the defendant’s *3 against pursuant proceedings to Cal. process of due he could that as a matter (West Supp.1987) 1203.4 Penal Code section charges of these federal not be convicted complied because he had with all the condi- federally by he was told licensed because probation. of The tions Probation Office purchase a rifle gun dealer that he could Tallmadge advised the state trial court that charges reduced to his state were because complied proba- had all conditions of with purposes. for The dis- a misdemeanоr all “deserving having tion and was his of- testimony that their trict court found was proba- fense fixed as a misdemeanor.” A Thus, stipulated light in of the credible. hearing on tion termination was held Janu- facts, by and the evidence offered the de- ary the same state trial before fendant, the issue before the trial originally suspended pro- judge who had the effect of the reduction court was ceedings years in the matter three earlier. Tallmadge’s state conviction to a misde- prosecutor argued probation The that federally light meanor in licensed objected should be terminated but to the gun dealer’s statement that he could law- reduction of the offense to a misdemeanor. fully purchase long gun because the state judge The trial observed that because Tall- judge had reduced the convic- trial madge’s probation conduct while on In order to review tion to a misdemeanor. “exemplary” “apply the court would question, must examine ful- this narrow we forgive maxim ‘to err is human and to is surrounding ly the state court the facts ” divine’ and reduce the offense to a misde- representa- expunction proceedings and the (West under Penal Code 17 meanor Cal. § federally licensed tions made Supp.1987). dealer. prosecutor
The state then made the fol- lowing comments: PERTINENT I. FACTS thing, May I your One other Honor. Relating A. Evidence to the State address the Court? There is one other Proceedings Court regulation thing. According in to sentencing Tallmadge appeared for 1203.4, reduction says it that the order of February following his conviction probationer shall be shall state and the gun. possession machine for that the order does not relieve informed stayed imposition judge obligation state trial the con-' him of the to disclose pro- placed the defendant on response any sentence and in direct viction hearing, years. questionnaire applica- three At this in or any bation for contained following state- prosecutor public made the for office or for licensure tion Tallmadge’s presence any agency. in ment to the court state local discussing probation: in terms of or infor- “Dismissal of an accusation section does pursuant mation to this explicitly
I made known to would like own, possess, or permit person fire- the defendant at this time as to the any fire- custody or control any kind of fire- arms that it refers to upon being concealed capable arm rifles, arms, shotguns, they whether be his conviction person prevent ammunition, handguns, incendiary de- under Section 12021.” explosives. vices and Tallmadge if judge judge acquiesced. trial Later The trial then asked state "Yes, Tallmadge replied, proceedings judge trial told he understood. the state Thereafter, judge state trial proba- of his sir.” that as a condition to a reducing offense own, signed order possess any an tion he could “not use or Cal. Penal pursuant inquired, Code The trial then misdemeanor “You are pursuant terminating probation satisfied that his state of mind you 17§ addition, defense, 1203.4. described it would be a is that Cal. Penal Code § saying.” Tallmadge’s you ordered that what are court state trial aside, plea of not conviction set that be replied Mr. Weedman as follows: entered, guilty case was dis- be Well, seeking I am offer evidence pursuant missed to Cal. Penal Code whatever constitutional attack 1203.4. appropriate this case. reporter’s transcript from the It is clear I think form Transac- [Firearms proceedings that Tall- state court these misleading. tion I think it is Record] madge ordered the court not to constitutionally respect. defective probation. carry firearm while on Ignorance excuse, no law is years discloses that three later record also testimony such purpose, offered for that court, was told at the imagine your permit. Honor would not *4 prosecutor, the suggestion of that he could But I his of reading think it in that not firearm under carry a concealable Cali- lays fashion at least the foundation for a law, notwithstanding the fornia termination process due constitutional attack. probation of his and the dismissal of the requested district court then the charges. state No statement was made to government position. to state pros- its concerning right carry the defendant his to replied Tallmadge’s ecutor that state of a weapon nonconcealable under federal mind not a defense. noteworthy law. It that is also the state After foregoing colloquy the concerning judge explain Tallmadge trial not did to the Mr. proof, govern- Weedman’s offer of the of the charge effect reduction ment without calling witnesses, rested possession gun of a machine to a misde- relying stipula- on the facts set forth the purposes” meanor “for all under Cal. Penal tion. 17(b)(3). Code § Tallmadge then prior testified that probation terminated, After his Tall- any of purchasing the firearms described in madge’s attorney told there was no the he indictment had a conversation with problem owning gun. a nonconcealable Ferguson. Ferguson Lewis presi- was the dent (Cole’s). of Cole’s Manchester Arms Relating B. Evidence the Due Pro- The firearms referred to in the indictment cess Defense purchased were at Cole’s. records of At the the commencement of bench trial Alcohol, the Bureau of & Tobacco Firearms court, before the district judge the trial (hereinafter ATF) show at all that relevant advised counsel that he stipulated read the times in matter was a federally Cole’s facts and containing the attached exhibits Ferguson licensed dealer firearms. proceedings relevant before the state signed application each for Cole’s license to judge regarding Tallmadge’s trial convic- engage in business as a firearms dealer. illegal possession tion for gun aof machine Tallmadge Ferguson testified “Mr. that under California law. The district court said he had read and understood that I was inquired counsel, then of defense Charles problem, some kind of and there Weedman, your “What is defense?” Mr. felony have been a conviction. And I said Weedman advised court that his client changed that was to a misdemeanor convic- testify would tion, problem.” was no and there felony— he believed that when Tallmadge Ferguson testified underlying felony was reduced to a agreed owning problem that there was no a misdemeanor that thereafter gun felony because the had been conviction longer impose could no great- a sentence reduced to a misdemeanor. year, and, therefore, er than one for him purchase long Following Tallmadge’s testimony, least a would be permissible suggested under Mr. federal law. district court that Weedman agreed requisite specific so “there to do wasn’t intent as testify. Mr. Wеedman attorney-client 922(a)(6).” regards his waived was found after court conducted privilege. guilty The district charging of each count him with of Mr. Weedman. examination possession firearm, direct of a how- ever, because the court concluded that his testified that advised Mr. Weedman “subjective belief” that he had not been purchase that he could his client felony punishable convicted or a crime period probation be- during the firearm by imprisonment year for more than one felony.” “he convicted of cause stood was not relevant because these crimes are also testified while Mr. Weedman complete upon proof knowing receipt charge “was a gun possession machine possession of a firearm. largely it was orchestrat- proceeding state agents by agents the ATF.” ATF ed During sentencing hearing, the dis- machinegun at the trial of the also testified given trict court commented that the advice charges. possession Tallmadge by experienced criminal testified that it is his view lawyer Mr. Weedman after his conviction was reduced to applicable Californiа statutes a misdemeanor could “disarm him.” It fur- upon felony reduction of a conviction fact, coupled ther noted that this with his longer no a misdemeanor it was “open purchase weapons notorious conviction. from a that he dealer knew Santa Moni- ca,” was “all consistent with a mens rea to testimony, During Mr. Weedman’s effect, at, look doing anything am not to com- district court asked wrong.” explaining its conclusion that on the Fire- ment on whether 8.b. *5 Tallmadge’s of mind was not a de- addresses the ef- state arms Transaction Record charges receipt posses- fense to the of or felony fect of the reduction of a to a misde- firearms, sion of the district court did not government replied meanor. The that Tall- import discuss the of the evidence madge required concern- to answer ing federally gun in the affirmative because CaLPenal licensed dealer’s 8.b. requires person Code 1203.4 a whose fel- statement that it would not § ony expunged prior is “problem” possess record to disclose his weap- be a to receive or felony any application li- conviction for a judge оns after state trial has reduced a government again argued censure. The felony conviction to a misdemeanor. the court that a de- state of mind is not receipt possession
fense
to the
II. DISCUSSION
charges. The court was told:
government’s position would be
Applicability
[T]he
A.
the Federal Stat-
of
belief that
defendant’s
Felony
utes to Persons Whose State
Con-
felony
posses-
not a
is irrelevant to the
viction
To a
Have Been Reduced
Misde-
charges.
guilty
sion
He is
meanor
despite
possessing gun
state of mind of
a
Tallmadge claims that the federal stat-
prior
receiving guns
as a
felon and of
as
(1)
prohibiting
wrongful receipt
utes
of a
prior
a
felon.
by person
firearm a
who has been convict-
exchange,
After this
Mr. Weedman testi-
punishable by
ed of a crime
a term of
Tallmadge following
fied
he advised
imprisonment exceeding
year
one
under 18
probation
proceedings
termination
922(h)(1)
(2) possession
U.S.C.
§
legally possess “long guns”
he could
but
by person
firearm a
who has been convict-
weapons
not concealable
because the
felony
U.S.C.App.
of
ed
a
under
charge
possession
gun
of
of a machine
had
1202(a)(1),
apply to him because
do not
§
been reduced to a misdemeanor.
prior
possession
his
conviction for
of a ma-
chinegun in violation of Cal.Penal Code
The district court found
guilty
to a misdemeanor
charging
of each count
was reduced
with
§
complet-
making
concerning
pri-
purposes
successfully
false
after he
statements
all
probationary
or conviction. The court concluded that
ed his
term.
922(h)(1)applies
anyone
prisonment
“un-
year. Pruner,
for one
Section
for, or
of F.2d at 872-73. We
... convicted ...
held in
der indictment
Pruner that in
applying
922(h)(1),
by imprisonment for a
section
punishable
“‘we look
a crime
solely
state
year
law
to determine
exceeding one
U.S.C.
whether the
term
— ”
permissible prison
maximum
term
922(h)(1). Possession of a machine
exceeds
§
”
year.’
(quoting
one
Id. at 873
punishable by “im-
law is
United
under California
Houston,
States v.
prison,
in the state
a fine
prisonment
Cir.1976)). Thus,
permissible
the maximum
($10,-
thousand dollars
ten
not to exceed
punishment
possession
in California for
of
000),
imprison-
such fine and
by both
machinegun
clearly
a
is
(West
covered
Cal.Penal Code
ment.”
§
922(h)(1).
language of 18 U.S.C.
Cal.Pe-
felony
§
In order to
Supp.1987).
avoid
nal Code 12220.
conviction,
§
Tallmadge requested at the time
sentencing
the state court trial
before
Tallmadge asserts that the reduction of
impose a sentence of
judge that the court
charge
possession
state
of a ma-
county jail, and then sus-
year
one
in the
chinegun precludes his
for a vio-
conviction
of sentence. That re-
pend
imposition
applies
lation of section 1202. Section 1202
Instead,
quest
the state
was denied.
any person
who “has been convicted ...
suspended
imposition of sentence and
felony____”
App.
18 U.S.C.
period
placed Tallmadge
probation
for a
1202(a)(1).
1202(c)(2)
Section
defines a
§
years.
of three
“felony”
“any
punishable by
offense
imprisonment for
exceeding
a term
one
Tallmadge argues that
the reduc
year,
(oth-
but
does not include
offense
upon
tion
a misdemeanor
of the crime to
involving
er than one
explo-
a firearm or
completion
the term
the successful
misdemeanor____”
sive) classified as a
Id.
probation precludes prosecution under sec
1202(c)(2).
§
922(h).
tion
Under Califоrnia law
punishable
Although
is defined as “a crime
is
which
the definition contains an
by imprisonment
exception
with death or
in the state
for offenses classified as misde
17(a).
prison.”
state,
Cal.Penal Code
We re meanors
exception inappli
jected a similar
contention United States
cable to the instant matter because Tall
*6
Pruner,
Cir.1979).
madge’s
v.
In
predicate
Pruner before this require court that at sure that did not scienter. 606 firearms, purchased time he language after- F.2d at As the in the 873-74. imposition identical, nearly sentence in the state two sections is these hold- court, his crime punishable by ings apply equally was not im- to both. Estoppel against self-incrimination Entrapment by they after were
B.
informed
the CommissionChairman that
expressly
court
Although the district
they
right
I,
had a
to do so under article
that he
believed
found that
section 10 of the Ohio Constitution.
Id. at
possess
rifles without
could receive
425, 79
at
S.Ct.
1259. The Commission’s
of the reduc-
violating federal law because
advice
contrary
to Ohio law.
at
Id.
conviction to a misdemean-
tion of his state
438-39,
More
Cory., Chem.
Indus.
U.S.
sylvania
of,
punishable
a crime
by imprison-
court
(1973),
775 KOZINSKI, Judge,, by dissenting. disowned Circuit cannot informer government).1 reversing In the conviction of a defend- may ant who have stumbled into criminal rely solely on the Tallmadge did activity inadvertently, today court representations of the licensed misleading just reaches a result. But it does so at too sought He also and ob firearms dealer. high price, “jus- a for this is a case where experienced criminal advice from an tained rightly outweighed tice to the individual is right possess a lawyer regarding his by larger interests on the other side of light of the state firearm nonconcealable The Common Holmes, the scales.” O.W. against possessing judge’s admonition trial Law 48 concealable weapon. by He told his a was “long possess a attorney that he could Introduction evidence estab
gun.” The uncontradicted
fire
Tallmadge’s reliance on the
lishes that
1978, Tallmadge
In
was convicted in Cali
misleading
was
dealer’s
information
arm
Superior
felony: posses
fornia
Court of a
legal
light
attorney’s
reasonable
sion of a machine
in violation of Cali
rifle,
purchase a
and
opinion that he could
poten
fornia law. The conviction carried a
judge and
comments of the state trial
penalty in
year.
tial
excess of one
Cal.Pe
deputy
attorney
proba
at the
district
id.
(Deering Supp.1987);
nal
12220
Code
§
proceedings.
prosecu
tion termination
1985).
(Deering
In
the Califor
Tallmadge
conviction of
for the
tion and
Superior
nia
Court
issued an order under
firearms,
possession of
after
17(b)(3)
California Penal Code section
de
agent
government
misled
who
claring the offense a misdemeanor “for all
believing
weapons
him the
into
that
sold
purposes.”
year, Tallmadge
Later
that
contrary
his conduct would not be
to feder
purchased
separate
four rifles on four
oc
law,
process.
violated due
al
consequence,
casions. As a
he was indict
convicted
REVERSED.
ed and
of four counts of unlawful
upon
preme
applied
relied
the Tenth Circuit’s
Court or this circuit that
1. The dissent has
have
entrapment by estoppel
required
Browning,
defense of
have
F.2d
decision in United States v.
cert,
showing
denied,
deception.
(10th Cir.1980),
a
of fraud or intentional
In
U.S.
Smith we stated:
(1981)
support
101 S.Ct.
(1982),
posses
way
count of unlawful
their
any
and one
into
of the briefs or tran-
1202(a)(1)
sion,
(1982
below;
app.
scripts
&
single
18 U.S.C.
not a
one
the cases
§
1986).
III
on which the
Supp.
majority rеlies
respect
with
by
this issue is cited
party.
either
Tallmadge contends that these statutes
apply
majority’s
because his state con-
do not
reliance on the doctrine of
entrapment by
reduced to a
estoppel
viction was
misdemeanor.
misguided
922(h) applies
anyone
very
But section
“con- could have
consequences,
serious
un-
punisha-
settling many important
court of ... a crime
victed
and heretofore un-
imprisonment
exceeding
for a term
by
questioned
principles.
ble
I have four
applies
year,”
any major
First,
one
while section
concerns.
panel
believe the
felony,”
allowing
... of a
errs in
person
“convicted
defined
rely
on state-
punishable
“any
by imprison-
purportedly
ments
by
gun dealer,
offense
made
exceeding
who is not even
year.”
ment for a term
one
employee,
federal
much
1202(a)(1), (c)(2).
less an official
U.S.C.
Because Tall-
authorized to bind the
§
government. Second,
madge
punish-
important
practical
was convicted
an offense
policy
imprisonment
against
able
for more than one
considerations counsel
applying
entrapmеnt
year,
clearly apply.
federal statutes
defense to
this
type
Third,
of situation.
Pruner,
the record simply
606 F.2d
United States
does
support estoppel.
not
(9th Cir.1979);
Finally,
Bergeman,
United States v.
estoppel
(9th
entirely
defense is
Cir.1979);
inapposite
592 F.2d
United
where the crime does
Houston,
require
not
scienter.
States v.
Cir.1976). Tallmadge also contends that
Discussion
vague
the statutes are so
as to violate due
process and that scienter should be a re-
I.
quired element of those crimes. These ar-
estoppel
defense has heretofore been
guments are likewise
foreclosed
this cir-
very
construed
narrowly
“per-
because it
Pruner,
874; Houston,
cuit.
606 F.2d at
the individual official to alter or sus-
mitís]
777
majority apparent willing-
is with the
s
speak
cern
thorized to
for
government.
the
only
ness to allow individuals with
the most This seems to run squarely contrary to the
relationship
government
tenuous
to the
to principle that minor federal
may
officials
respect
interpretation
bind it with
to the
government
not bind the
to erroneous in-
and enforcement of the criminal laws.
terpretations of the
example,
law. For
Crop
Federal
Corp. Merrill,
Ins.
v.
332
A. “The case
on
law
mistake of law
380,
1,
U.S.
(1947),
68 S.Ct.
that he
resentations do not amount to the “affirma-
The Tenth Cir-
the U.S. Customs Service.
required
tive misconduct”
estop-
to invoke
estoppel
is
that the doctrine
cuit noted
pel against
government.
estoppel
government
applied against
with
requires
resembling
defense
conduct
en-
“great reluctance”:
trapment
by
affirmative act
an offi-
—some
the United
It
is fundamental
cial that misleads the defendant. See San-
representations
estopped by
States is not
INS,
488,
(9th
tiago v.
526 F.2d
491-92
cert,
by
agent
authority
without
made
an
Cir.1975),
denied,
971,
425 U.S.
96
transaction____
government
bind the
2167,
(1976).
S.Ct.
Tallmadge’s estoppel government official; private claim is far weaker he is a individ- than Browning’s. Browning was misled ual whose economicinterest lies in consum- transaction, someone employed by mating scotching who at least was it. government, an very agency officer of the Had an authoritative in- wanted charged law, administering applicable terpretation applicable with he could laws. Here the Department statements are attributed well have written to the private Alcohol, to a party Treasury, whose connection to Bureau of Tobacco government Firearms, in- is his federal to sell name and address is license whose wholly unprecedented firearms. It Transaction scribed on the Firearms Or, bind the he interpretations required to fill out. Record he was the law office of tenuously might inquired someone so related to have of his local Attorney obliged get opinion as to its en- an lawyer the United States from a Alcohol, or the Bureau of policy in area. Had he re- Tobacco and forcement Firearms before each sale? respon- from information ceived erroneous agencies, might he may hundreds, officials in those A sible dealer make perhaps thousands, estoppel. claim legality entitled tо of sales. The well have been however, Instead, may chose the one of those transactions litigat- chain, years ed after the enforcement event. dealer link weakest may gone out of business or sold vague description of his situation gave a died; the store to someone else or the response, an off-the-cuff and received transaction have been consummated just happened to be what wanted which or, employee; a former likely most pp. to hear. See 780-81 infra. all, *12 just hap- no one will remember what Holding Tallmadge’s reliance on this pened. government will seldom if does much to under- advice was reasonable ever be able to contradict a defendant’s orderly enforcement of the crimi- mine the self-serving account of who said what to nal laws. In words that have lost none of imagine I every illegal whom. can time, vitality passage their Oli- with purchase suddenly “ap- will have been century Holmes noted over a ver Wendell proved” by the dealer. ago: “It is no doubt true that there are How does one deal awith convict de- many cases in which the criminal could not buy gun? example, termined to For if law, breaking he have known that was Tallmadge had been turned down to admit the excuse at all would be to but dealer, prevented first what would have encourage ignorance where law-maker going yet him from to another dealer and has determined to make men know and gullible another until he found one Al- obey____” The Law at 48. Common enough to tell what he wanted to lowing gun Tallmadge rely deal- Indeed, ineligible buyers might hear? be acquiescence indeed er’s half-hearted purchases by able to launder their find- “to thwarts law-maker’s determination ing unscrupulous willing give dealers obey.” men make know and “right” “right” ques- answer to the tion. II. government The idea that the holder of a Strong policies against also militate estop government’s license can enforce- majority’s expansion estoppel de- penal explosive poten- ment of its has laws Authorizing gun legiti- fense. dealers to majority’s tial.3 The not limit- rationale is illegal gun mize otherwise transactions will dealers; gun many ed to holders of other nightmare. create an If administrative government neatly licenses could fit into dealers, gun possibly govern- and other opinion’s example, rationale. For li- licensees, ment can bind the United States quor prohibited by store clerks are law legal underly- as to the and factual issues selling age from alcohol to those under the ing the difficult of whether an check, forgets of 21. If a clerk applicant buy gun, is entitled to own mistake, makes a does that exonerate a they investigators, must become fact-find- buys liquor illegally? minor who Will the legal experts prob- ers and to boot. illegal stamps use of food be excused be- countless, lems this would raise are but grocery mistakenly cause the store clerk here are a few: purchase? allows the There are countless gun How can parties dealer be sure he is private other who hold licenses interpreting federal, correctly? govern- the law Most from the state and local gun scarcely equipped cases, dealers requires are to ments. In most the law they reasonably make determinations. Will sure that the licensees make See, majority’s theory against grain e.g., Lodge, equal protection 3. The runs clause. Mоose Irvis, standing proposition decisions for the that the Inc. v. (1972); Day holder of a Island Yacht license does act L.Ed.2d 627 Dezell 1986). Club, purposes under color of state law for F.2d Cir. legal. today problem. But before no there agreed transaction was no He and they could issue “Get gun question. one assumed sold me the with no Free” cards. Licensees can of Jail Out R.T., 11, 1986, March (emphasis at 10-12 many illegal certainly help prevent transac- added). tions, they ought given not be but testimony This if taken at face —even suspend or alter the power to law.4 value as it came from defendant’s own portray Tallmadge mouth—does not as ear- III. nestly seeking legality advice to the event, provides the record scant Instead, the transaction. it shows that estoppel factual basis for an defense. Ferguson, dealer, gun expressed following testimony is the I evidence doubts about buy whether could point: able to find on this have been gun convinced the dealer Ferguson A Mr. [the [TALLMADGE]: anyway to sell him one everything because gun that he had said read dealer] right.” Indeed, “all was had the deal- that was in some kind of a understood er asking nоt taken the initiative of Tall- a felo- problem, there been madge whether he had been convicted of a ny conviction. felony, the issue would never have come changed to a And I said up. Tallmadge certainly everything did conviction, and there misdemeanor could to conceal the relevant facts. While *13 problem. no he was well aware that he had been con- punishable victed of a crime by imprison- A: He that it said—he said was—if it year, ment for over a separate on four misdemeanor, was a then there is no Question occasions he answered “No” to problem. 8(b) on the Firearms Transaction Record I explained judge that it was—the (FTR). question This asked if he had ever conviction, made it a misdemeanor specifi- been convicted of such a crime and that it. cally “yes” warned answer was re-
quired even if “a has conviction been dis- Q: Well, aside, charged, pursuant Tallmadge, Fergu- Mr. did Mr. set or dismissed expungement son to an you understand that had con- or rehabilitation been stat- victed of a felony gun it was reduced ute.” We have no idea what the before deal- to a beyоnd misdemeanor? er knew this false statement Tallmadge’s FTR and assurance asking That you is for what was > problem” “there was no because “the mind. judge made it a misdemeanor.”5 A. Yes.
Moreover,
Tallmadge’s
if
even
account of
A:
...I
can’t remember exactly
gun
what
the conversation with the
dealer were
said,
sufficient,
we
but it was his understanding
legally
judge
the district
need
that it could
felony,
have been a
Tallmadge’s
and he
not have believed it all.
testi-
asked about it.
judge
equivocal
And I said the
mony is
as to what he told the
misdemeanor, so, therefore,
conviction,
made it a
admitting
dealer about his
Attorneys
4.
Tallmadge’s lawyer. Majority opinion
hold licenses from the state autho-
at 775.
rizing
interpret
they
them to
the law. Yet
do
thereby
agents
government,
not
become
Actually,
5.
what
said about whether
capable
binding
it to erroneous advice. We
or a
his conviction was
misdemeanor
consistently
have
held that criminals cannot
legality
purchase.
no relevance to the
has
faulty
private
claim reliance on the
advice of
only
information relevant under federal
Indeed,
specifically rejectеd
counsel.
we
this
punishable by
the offense
law was whether
defense
to a
conviction
under
section
year.
imprisonment for more than a
18 U.S.C.
1202(a)(1).
Locke,
United States v.
542 F.2d
922(h), 1202(c)(2).
gun
§§
dealer's
(9th Cir.1976);
see also United States v.
concerning
crucial
information
fact was
(8th
Hayes,
Cir.1976).
535 F.2d
I am
Tallmadge's negative answer on the FTR.
particularly
therefore
majority's
troubled
allegedly
reliance
misleading
advice
exactly
by negating
remember
what was
a defendant
the existence
he does not
11, 1986,
R.T.,
at 12. Al-
March
state
charged.
said.
mental
essential to the crime
findings of
fact were
though specific
Thus, Tallmadge might
escaped
have
con-
defendant, there are indica-
by the
waived
922(a)(6) (which pro-
viction under section
simply did not
the trial
tions that
knowingly making
representa-
hibits
false
self-serving
Tallmadge’s
story.6
believe
FTR)
tions in the
because his state of mind
specific
was a
element of that crime. But
parties
neither the
problem is that
Tallmadge’s
develop
belief that he
sought to
this
was entitled to
nor the court below
evidence,
estoppel was
probably
purchase
because
firearms is not an element of the
dеfense at trial. Had it
not raised as a
possession.
crimes of
These
been,
might
well
“uniformly interpreted
crimes have been
greater
detail
cross-examined
requiring only that the defendant
inwas
his conversation with
dealer
about
felon,
fact a convicted
and not that he
testify.
dealer to
Be-
even called
actually knew he was a felon.” Newton v.
reliance
cause the
of reasonable
Court,
Superior
(9th
803 F.2d
essentially
misleading information
Cir.1986) (Alarcon, J.)
(citing authority
factual,
answering
it at
we should
circuits). Thus,
from six
in United States
level,
certainly
not on
thin
Quiroz,
v.
1971),
449 F.2d
Cir.
presented in this case.
record
required
we held that scienter was not
1202(a)(1).
a conviction under section
Ap-
IV.
Quiroz,
Locke,
in United
plying
States
Finally,
majority’s analysis
I fear the
(9th Cir.1976),
we held it
con-
reads scienter into statutes we have
irrelevant that Locke
had been advised
so,
If
sistently
require
held
none.
that is
public defender
that was not a convicted
opinion ignores
teachings of our
felon.
cases and conflicts with the Eleventh Cir-
Pruner,
in United States v.
Similarly,
cuit’s decision United States v. Brus-
*14
cert,
(9th Cir.1979),
not free to this no matter good reckoned with. A might start well be unpalatable how we find it. judicious with more prosecutori- exercise of al discretion. This is not the first case of Epilogue this kind where I had to wonder whether It they is the nature of dissents that prosecution any purpose served other prophecies; bristle with Cassandran pad prosecutor’s than to batting aver- certainly exception. one is Fortunately, no Also, age. intergovern- because of the however, most of us lack Cassandra’s clair- offense, mental nature of the wisdom and voyance and few of the pre- calamities we prudence would seem to counsel an effort pass. hope this, too, dict come to by the federal authorities to educate state my prove dissent unexceptional. will If the officials as to the applica- intricacies of the majority opinion is narrowly read a—as law, thereby stemming ble federal the flow judicial response perceived to a injustice of misinformation given to individuals and not as a wholesale reassessment of clemency by state authorities. While important legal principles case will —the government counsel assure us from time to ripple law, on the waters of the not the *15 works,” time that such an effort is “in the my predicts. tidal wave dissent yet consequences. we have to see its However, it would be unfortunate if one fundamentally, Congress More mаy wish aspect majority opinion went unno- to consider whether individuals whose state ticed my and unheeded. That distin- sealed, expunged, pardoned convictions are guished thoughtful colleagues are will- retroactively reduced under state law ing give Tallmadge sug- freedom not, ought comity as a matter of and le- gests deep-seated judicial to me a discom- niency, given grace the same under fed- fort with this case and others like it. It is Finally, judicial eral law. may discomfort share, although a discomfort I I would not eventually become so severe that assuage my it as have colleagues. The appropriate through become revisit— is, however, fact of the matter that we see process, en banc of course—our decisions much this area of pricks the law that 922(a) (h), 1202(a) giving sections & 924 and conscience. The offenses of which Tall- interpretation. a strict madge was convicted gap straddle the be- tween Frequently, thoughts day state and federal these law. leave to another policies governments hope only two are loggerheads: give The state something wishes to one who has learned about workings of the law as a result of this case. INTERNATIONAL,
KAMAR
Plaintiff-Appellee, COMPANY, INC., BERRIE & et
RUSS
al., Defendant-Appellant.
No. 86-6362. Appeals,
United States Court
Ninth Circuit.
Argued and June Submitted 1987.
Decided Oct. 1987.
