The main issue before us is at what point a show of force by police will elevate an intended investigative stop into an arrest which, in the absence of probable cause, would warrant exclusion of evidence thereby seized as violative of the fourth amendment. The district court 1 denied Tyjuan Jones’ motions to suppress and in limine and allowed the introduction into evidence of the handgun found in the car in which Jones was apprehended. Jones was convicted as a felon in possession of a firearm *635 in violation of 18 U.S.C.App. § 1202(a)(1) (1982). We affirm.
On Sunday afternoon December 11, 1983, Tyjuan Jones, accompanied by his two sons and nephew, all less than twelve years old, was on his way to visit his father when he. stopped at the apartment of a friend. While he was waiting on the doorstep for an answer to the security buzzer, police detectives Terry James and Kurt Shrum, on routine patrol in business suits and an unmarked car, observed Louis Brown, who was known to them as a burglar, walking away from the rear of the same apartment building at which Jones was standing. Brown, upon appearing to notice the officers, put his hand over his face. James and Shrum called Brown to their car and conducted a pat-down frisk, which revealed no weapons or stolen property. At the same time Detective James noticed Jones at the door of the apartment building. Jones then, upon also appearing to see the officers, turned and ran through a gangway to the rear of the apartments where his sister’s yellow Volkswagen, which he had been driving, was parked.
Knowing that burglars often worked in pairs, the detectives suspected that Jones might have been serving as a lookout while Brown broke in the back of the apartment building. James followed Jones on foot while Shrum put Brown in the back seat of the unmarked police car, drove around behind the apartments, and stopped directly behind and perpendicular to the Volkswagen which Jones had entered and in which he was then sitting with the three children. As Jones started the car, detectives James and Shrum approached with guns drawn. They ordered Jones to get out and asked him for some identification. While Jones did state that he did not live in the neighborhood, he repeatedly refused to get out of the Volkswagen, insisting that he did not know James and Shrum were police officers. There was testimony that the detectives had shown their badges several times during the exchange.
Also, at one point Shrum, in an attempt to get Jones out of the car, opened the back door of the Volkswagen on the driver’s side and leaned in and, according to some witnesses, pointed his gun at Jones’ head. Though the sequence is not clear, the officers apparently had their guns in and out of their holsters at various times during the encounter with Jones.
Finally, Shrum reached into the Volkswagen through the front driver’s side window, which was down four or five inches, pulled up the knob, and pulled down on the door handle. The door, however, was broken and wouldn’t open. Jones then took both hands, cranked the window shut on Shrum’s arm, and yelled to the child in the front seat, “Give it to me, hand it to me, it’s between the seats.” As Jones released his right hand from the window crank and put the car in reverse so that it began to move backward, Shrum saw a small pistol between the seats. When he saw Jones release the shift lever and start for the pistol, Shrum reached his left hand to his shoulder holster, withdrew his revolver, and fired directly down through the window to break the glass and free his arm and to stop Jones from getting the pistol. Jones was struck by Shrum’s shot. The encounter was estimated to have lasted three to six minutes.
Pursuant to the subsequent arrest and search, police seized the pistol from the Volkswagen and some bullets from the pocket of the jacket Jones had been wearing. Jones was charged as a felon in possession of a firearm in violation of section 1202(a)(1), and the district court, after a hearing, denied his pretrial motion to suppress. The court characterized the evidence as “uncontradicted basically” and made oral findings of fact from the bench as follows:
The policeman came up to the car, he had a gun, he had seen Mr. Brown, a known burglar in the vicinity, and saw him running away. And he asked Mr. Jones to get out of the car and Mr. Jones said, “What for?” The police officer, he showed him his badge and he said he wouldn’t get out of the car. He asked him on several occasions and showed him *636 the badge on two or three occasions, and additionally, after he twisted his arm in the window, * * * he took the gun and fired * * *.
Motion to suppress, transcript at 2-46, United States v. Jones, No 84-55 Cr (C) (E.D.Mo. May 18, 1984). The district court also said, “The policeman saw the gun on the floor of the car, so he had a perfect right to question Mr. Jones,” and “I believe he had a right to question Mr. Jones. Mr. Jones refused to get out of the car.” Id. at 2-47.
The district court similarly denied a motion in limine at trial and at the conclusion of all evidence made the additional finding that the Volkswagen had not been blocked in by the police car. The court resolved conflicting testimony to find the police car had been at least five feet behind the Volkswagen and interpreted photographic evidence as showing that there had been sufficient room at the front and left for the Volkswagen to have pulled away. Accordingly, the court concluded, the initial actions of the officers had not constituted an “arrest” of Jones. Jones subsequently was found guilty by a jury and was sentenced to the maximum penalty of two years.
On appeal Jones argues that the challenged evidence was inadmissible as the fruits of his seizure in violation of the fourth amendment. Specifically, he contends that the finding that the Volkswagen was not blocked is clearly erroneous and that he was arrested without probable cause at the time of the blocking and the officers’ approach with guns drawn. Alternately, Jones argues that Shrum and James lacked even the reduced “reasonable suspicion” necessary were their actions to be characterized as a limited “investigative stop” permissible under
Terry v. Ohio,
I
Our initial inquiry in this case is when an investigative stop crosses the boundary and becomes an arrest.
United States v. Danielson,
The Supreme Court held in
Dunaway
that despite the absence of a technical arrest probable cause may still be required when a detention is “in important respects indistinguishable from a traditional arrest.”
Officers James’ and Shrum’s stop of Jones cannot be faulted for any of the excesses thus far identified in Supreme Court precedent. The Court has required probable cause when a petitioner, although not “booked,” was taken from his home to the police station for custodial interrogation,
Dunaway,
A.
We do not believe that any blocking by itself could have converted the stop into an arrest.
3
The test is not, as argued by Jones, whether a reasonable person would have felt free to leave under the circumstances: That concern marks the line between a fourth amendment seizure of any degree and a consensual encounter which does not require any minimal objective justification.
Immigration & Naturalization Service v. Delgado,
— U.S. -,
The Fourth Amendment does not require a policeman who lacks the precise level of information necessary for probable cause to arrest to simply shrug his shoulders and allow a crime to occur or crimi *638 nal to escape. On the contrary, Terry recognizes that it may be the essence of good police work to adopt an intermediate response. * * * A brief stop of a suspicious individual, in order to determine his identity or to maintain the status quo momentarily while obtaining more information, may be most reasonable in light of the facts known to the officer at that time.
Adams v. Williams,
Relying in part on this passage,
United States v. Patterson,
The same rule applies to a show of weapons: An approach to a car by officers with guns drawn does not elevate an investigative stop into an arrest if the police action is reasonable under the circumstances.
United States v. Danielson,
*639 Though this case would be easier if it involved a dark and deserted spot or one lone officer facing a carful of suspects, our reluctance to second-guess the judgment of experienced officers is not limited to such extreme situations. * * * Reviewing the situation through the “eyes of a reasonable and cautious police officer on the scene, guided by his experience and training,” we cannot say that the officers acted unreasonably in being prepared for possible violence.
Id. at 36 (footnote and citations omitted).
The case primarily relied on by Jones,
6
United States v. Ceballos,
Cases such as Ceballos involving blocking of vehicles and police shows of weapons 7 suggest several factors to which we might look in determining whether the force used by officers Shrum and James was reasonable and thus in keeping with characterization of this encounter as an investigative stop. The factors variously cited by courts include the number of officers and police cars involved, the nature of the crime and whether there is reason to believe the suspect might be armed, the strength of the officers’ articulable, objective suspicions, the erratic behavior of or suspicious movements by the persons under observation, and the need for immediate action by the officers and lack of oppor *640 tunity for them to have made the stop in less threatening circumstances. 8
Applying these principles to the police encounter with Jones, we first note that officers Shrum and James had not been previously investigating Jones. They made an on-the-spot decision to detain him based on developing circumstances and a perceived need to maintain the status quo while determining if a burglary had been committed.
See Terry,
While the officers upon initial approach had no reason to believe that Jones was armed or that the burglary, if one had indeed occurred, had involved armed persons, the circumstances facing the officers —i.e., pursuit of a suspected burglar and approach to a vehicle — in general present specific hazards, as statistics demon-
strate.
10
Our reliance on such generalities is at odds with the approach in
Ceballos,
where it was stated that a display of weapons by police could not be justified by the fact that narcotics dealers as a rule frequently were armed,
Finally, although testimony is somewhat contradictory and the district court made no findings on this subject, the officers’ guns apparently were only in and out during the confrontation. James testified that he drew his gun as a precaution only when Jones was out of sight down the gangway and that he reholstered the gun when he had Jones in sight again. Shrum similarly testified that he had reholstered his gun once he reached the car and began to question Jones. We must recognize some concern for officer safety.
Harley,
B.
Having concluded that the officers’ initial approach to Jones was consistent under the circumstances with an investigative stop, we now must consider whether any of their further actions elevated Jones’ detention into an arrest prior to time when Shrum saw the gun in the car (and thus had probable cause). 12
Circuit courts in reliance on
Pennsylvania v. Mimms,
The issue of the officers’ persistent requests that Jones identify himself
14
is slightly more complex given dicta by the Supreme Court suggesting that a person subject to an investigative stop may not be compelled to answer questions,
see Berkemer v. McCarty,
— U.S.-,
Limits on the ability of an officer to ascertain the identity of a person would in many instances make investigative stops serve no useful purpose. To allow a suspect to refuse to provide identification would
reduce the authority of the officer * * * recognized by the United States Supreme Court in Adams v. Williams,407 U.S. 143 [92 S.Ct. 1921 ,32 L.Ed.2d 612 ] * * * (1972), to identify a person lawfully stopped by him to a mere fiction. Unless the officer is given some recourse in the event his request for identification is refused, he will be forced to rely either upon the good will of the person he suspects or upon his ability to simply bluff that person into thinking that he actually does have some recourse.
State v. Flynn,
While we recognize that investigative stops must at some point end and that not all stops will end conclusively, we need not in this case draw the exact line where constitutional considerations compel officers to allow suspects to go free anonymously. We do not believe, in light of the concerns stated above, that an officer must be content with a single request for identification. The scope of an investigative detention is to be keyed to the purposes of the stop, with officers using “the least intrusive means reasonably available to verify or dispel [their] suspicion^] in a short period of time.”
Royer,
II.
The minimal standard of articulable justification required by the fourth amendment for an investigative stop is whether the police officers were aware of “particularized, objective facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warranted] suspicion that a crime [was] being committed.”
United States v. Martin,
Reasonable articulable suspicion must exist as of the initial moment of seizure, but it is to be evaluated in light of the observations of the involved officers taken as a whole.
Wallraff,
In light of these principles we must now evaluate the circumstances as known to officers James and Shrum when they initially determined to stop Jones:
1. Both had observed Brown, a known neighborhood burglar, leave the rear of an apartment building, look in their direction, and attempt to hide his face.
2. Both had observed Jones at the front door of the same apartment building and had seen him look in their direction and run up the gangway.
3. Detective James knew that burglars often worked in pairs, with one breaking in the back of a location and the other standing lookout at the front.
4. A pat-down frisk of Brown, however, had not turned up a weapon or goods believed to be stolen.
5. Three small children were in the Volkswagen that Jones entered.
We conclude that this information was sufficient to give officers Shrum and James, who had sixteen and six years of police experience respectively, reasonable articulable suspicion that Jones might have been working with Brown in an attempted burglary.
The officers’ suspicions were first aroused when they observed Brown, a known burglar, and noted his furtive effort to hide his face. Jones’ subsequent action in running from the front of the same apartment building upon seeing the officers, along with James’ knowledge that burglars often worked in pairs, gave rise to full reasonable articulable suspicion. The officers were thus justified in determining if a burglary had occurred or possibly was about to occur. Under these circumstances, prompt action on their part was necessary. We realize that the basis for suspicion in this case was not as strong as in a number of the other cases decided in this circuit; nevertheless, the indications of criminal activity substantially exceeded those found insufficient to support reasonable articulable suspicion in
United States v. Brignoni-Ponce,
Finally, Jones argues that even if these facts at one point gave rise to reasonable articulable suspicion, that suspicion was dispelled before the officers’ approach by the fruitless frisk of Brown and by the presence of the three children with Jones in the Volkswagen.
See Terry,
*644 As we have concluded that Shrum and James were justified in stopping Jones and that their conduct of the detention was not excessive so as to rise to the level of an arrest, we uphold the district court’s decisions allowing the gun and other items seized to be introduced into evidence. Jones’ conviction is affirmed.
Notes
. The Honorable James H. Meredith, Senior United States District Judge for the Eastern District of Missouri.
. An investigative, in contrast to an accusatory, purpose, however, is not in itself controlling: "In the name of investigating a person who is no more than suspected of criminal activity * * * the police [may not] seek to verify their suspicions by means that approach the conditions of arrest.”
Florida v. Royer,
. The district court found that the Volkswagen in which Jones was sitting had not been blocked by the police car. The estimates of the distance between the two vehicles ranged from three feet to ten to fifteen feet, and the five-foot figure settled on as a minimum by the district court recognizes Jones’ own testimony. Also, while Shrum testified that he had blocked the Volkswagen with the police car, he further stated that there had been room for the Volkswagen to pull out, though maybe not on the first pass. A finding by a district court is entitled to great deference and may not be rejected unless clearly erroneous,
Anderson v. City of Bessemer City,
— U.S. —, —,
.
E.g., United States v. Bautista,
. For example, in
United States v. Harley,
. Jones also cites
Jackson v. United States,
As to
Beck,
a Ninth Circuit car-blocking case, Jones simply fails to recognize the court’s emphasis on the circumstances of the individual case. The Ninth Circuit has twice since held that the blocking in by police of a suspect’s car did
not
convert an investigative stop into an arrest.
United States v. O'Connor,
. For example, see the Second Circuit cases decided after
Ceballos: United States
v.
Pelusio,
. An additional factor might be the time and place of the stop.
E.g., United States v. Aldridge,
. Jones’ testimony is that he saw no one as he was standing at the door of the apartment building and that he left at a normal pace when there was no answer to the buzzer. , Shrum testified that Jones "walked rapidly” or "took off” while James testified that Jones "ran.” We interpret the district court’s findings as crediting James’ version.
. Over the ten-year period ending in 1983 sixty-five officers were feloniously killed while pursuing the perpetrators of burglaries and 106 were feloniously killed while investigating suspicious persons. Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, 18 (Uniform Crime Report 1983). In addition, many more officers were assaulted — in 1983, for example, 1,090 while pursuing the perpetrators of burglaries and 4,954 while investigating suspicious persons or circumstances. Id. at 44. Figures for pursuits and stops of traffic violators, which would involve approaches to vehicles, show 129 officers feloniously killed in the ten-year period and 6,210 assaulted just in 1983. Id. at 18, 44.
. The court in
White
held an approach with guns drawn consistent with an investigative stop even though the anonymous tip on which the officers had acted had not included information that the suspects might have been armed and the suspects in fact were not armed.
. The findings of the district court are clearly erroneous to the degree they imply that Shrum or James saw Jones' gun prior to the time when Shrum's arm became trapped in the car window. There was no testimony that either officer saw the gun prior to that point, and thus the gun’s presence could not to any degree have justified the officers’ questioning of Jones or their attempts to get him out of the car.
. While 93% of the officers feloniously killed in 1983 fell victim to firearms, vehicles were the next most common weapon used fatally against police by suspects. FBI Uniform Crime Report, supra, at 3.
. We are assuming that the district court rejected as not credible testimony by Jones that he handed his wallet through the window to the ' officers. The court does not make an express finding to this effect, but it omits this alleged incident from its affirmative narrative of events.
