Steven Winsor was convicted of possessing proceeds taken in a bank robbery, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2113(c). Alleging Fourth Amendment violations, he moved at trial to suppress certain evidence. The trial judge denied the motion. We affirm.
I.
FACTS
On January 14, 1986, Dennis Winsor— the appellant’s brother — robbed the Mitsui Manufacturer’s Bank in Hollywood, threatening to shoot a teller if she did not cooperate. A Los Angeles Police Departmеnt traffic officer followed the thief and saw *1396 him disappear into a small two-story “residential hotel” near the bank. Additional police quickly arrived and received permission from the hotel manager to search for the suspect. Police Sergeant Moroney accompanied the search party. He had investigated five previous bank robberies in the neighborhood apparently pеrpetrated by the same individual and possessed a surveillance photograph taken during one of them. The photo showed a thief and a “lookout” man. The police obtained no search warrant.
The search progressed through the lobby and hallways of the hotel. At each room along the way, the officers knocked, identified themselves, and ordered the occupants to open their door. Eventually, the police knocked at the door to room 213, and Dennis Winsor answered. Sgt. Moroney instantly recognized him as the robber in the surveillance photo. Upon sight of the officers, Dennis Winsor stepped back into his room and away from the door. The police officers followed him in, guns drawn, and placed him under arrest. 1
Also in the room was the appellant, Steven Winsor. As the police officers searched the Winsors’ room, Officer Tuttle briefly questioned appellant, who refused to give the officer his name, claimed that he was carrying no identification, and denied knowing the other occupant of the room. Officer Tuttle told him that he would be taken down to the station for further questioning unless he began giving straight answers.
A few moments later, Sgt. Moroney approached appellant. He recognized him as the “lookout” in the surveillance photograph and ordered his arrest. Meanwhile, police continued to search the room, turning up several pieces of evidence, including stolen money. Once in custody, appellant made self-incriminating statements. 2
Appellant contends that these facts make out both an unlawful search of his room and an unlawful seizure of his person. Thereforе, he argues, the physical evidence as well as his statements should have been suppressed. Although the circumstances of this case present difficult and unusual issues, we hold that the police did not violate the Fourth Amendment.
II.
ISSUES
Our discussion will focus on those aspects of police behavior that to us appear to be crucial in ascertaining whether there was an unlawful search or seizure. Because there is no basis upon which the appellant can challenge the presence of the police in the hallways of the hotel, our focus must be upon (1) the knock on the door of room 213, (2) the opening of the door of room 213, (3) the entry into room 213, (4) the search of room 213, and (5) the arrest of the appellant. However, before our discussion of these aspects of police behavior begins, it is necessary to address the government’s contention that the “hot pursuit” doctrine justifies all relevant police conduct and that a more discerning analysis is not necessary.
III.
HOT PURSUIT
The government insists that “hot pursuit” by police of appellant’s brother justified immediate entry into the hotel and any search thereof to find the felon. The district court accepted this position. We disagree. Hot pursuit may excuse police from the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement, but never does it excuse the absence of the requisite degree of suspicion before effecting a search.
See United States v. Scott,
IV.
THE KNOCK ON THE DOOR
Appellant insists that the knock on the door of room 213 was itself a seаrch unsupported by probable cause and thus violative of the Fourth Amendment. This is not the law. The Constitution permits one to “walk up the steps and knock on the front door of any man’s ‘castle’ with the honest intent of asking questions of the occupant thereof — whether the questioner be a pollster, a salesman, or an officer of the law.”
Davis v. United States,
A policeman knocking at one’s door is analogous to investigatory encounters on the street or in airports. We recognize that the police may approach and question an individual without triggering Fourth Amendment scrutiny, so long as the person stops and answers voluntarily.
See United States v. Erwin,
V.
THE OPENING OF THE DOOR
1. Was the Door Opened Voluntarily?
We conclude that here this test was not met. The door was not opened voluntarily. At the suppression hearing, policeman Tuttle testified that when knocking on the Winsors’ door, the officers said: “Police. Open the door.” It was also established that the police intended to enter the room even if no one answered. 4 We mention this fact because it may have contributed to the peremptoriness with which the officers spoke. In any event, the district judge found that the police had made á “demand that the occupants open the door,” and that appеllant’s brother “opened the door on command.” Excerpt of Record (emphasis added). These factual findings are not clearly erroneous, and we must abide by them. Moreover, we believe that these findings prevent us from concluding that appellant’s brother opened the door freely.
Compliance with a police “demand” is not consent.
See Bumper v. North Carolina,
2. Did the Police Have Probable Cause or Reasonable Suspicion?
To pass constitutional muster an involuntary warrantless search must be based on either probable cause or rеasonable suspicion without regard to whether exigent circumstances might have excused the obtaining of a warrant. We already indicated by analogizing the facts in this case to a Terry stop that the police lacked probable cause to command the opening of the door to room 213. That is, while the police had probable cause to conclude that the robber was in a room of the hotel, they lacked probable cause to believe that he was in any particular room. However, we hold that the police in this case did have reasonable suspicion that the suspect would be in any room other than one that already had yielded no robbery suspect. The hotel was small, having only two floors, and the number of rooms was limited. The odds on discovering the suspect in the first room upon whose door the police knocked were high enough to amount to founded suspicion. The odds favoring discovery increase as rooms are searched. At some point, perhaps at the last two or three unsearched rooms, probable cause may be said to exist. This is not to be construed as condoning the room by room search of a large hotel or apartment building. The odds favoring discovery of the suspect in the first room on the door of which there is the commanding knock must be more than negligible or minuscule.
We know of no direct authority supporting our position; however, sound reason does provide the required support. To illustrate, assume the police find a small number of persons in a locked room with a murdered man. It would be quite proper to say that each may be reasonably suspected of being a murderer. The suspicion of the police in such a case is reasonable and articulable. See Restatement (Second) of Torts § 119 comment j (1965); see also 3 W. LaFave, Search and Seizure § 9.3(b), at 434-35 & n. 66 (2d ed. 1987) (suggesting that reasonable suspicion but not probable cause exists in this kind of situation).
This reasoning is, moreover, routinely given effect when courts uphold vehicle stops on reasonable suspicion where the police had some information describing the car they were рursuing, but not enough to identify it precisely.
See, e.g., United States v. Rose,
The situation here was identical. The police had a very good description of the place where they would find the robber: a room in a small two-story hotel, the first floor of which had already been thoroughly searched before the police arrived at the Winsors' room. The description available to the police at this point was not perfect, but it sufficiеntly narrowed the range of suspected places to support a holding of reasonable suspicion.
3. Was Reasonable Suspicion Sufficient in this Case ?
Reasonable or founded suspicion can support a warrantless search in exceptional cases.
See, e.g., New Jersey v. T.L.O.,
In a case such as this, the permissible extent of intrusion based on reasonable suspicion is extremеly limited. Although a hotel by its nature may afford its occupants lesser privacy expectations than does a house, its rooms are places where their occupants have a strong and legitimate expectation of privacy. Against their privacy must be weighed the grave public interest in safely apprehending potentially violent criminals.
Physical danger — to the officers and to the public — has always been the strongest reason justifying police intrusions on less than probable cause. It was this reason that first prompted the Supreme Court to permit such intrusions.
See Terry,
Delay and indecision by the police would have been an unsafe аnd inappropriate response. Merely to seal off the area surrounding the hotel would not have eliminated entirely the threat of a hostage-taking. Moreover, to delay until darkness began to fall would have increased the chances of a dash to escape with a nighttime gun battle in the street as a possible outcome. The demands of public safety — and particularly the safety of thе hotel’s other residents— militate in favor of the course of action employed by the police.
Reinforcing this conclusion is the fact that the actual intrusion here was relatively limited, although not minimal. It consisted of the opening of a door. It was not forcibly opened; rather it was “commanded” to be opened. And although we have held that this “command” rendered the opening of the door “involuntary,” here the issue is different. It is whether the intrusiveness of the command to open the door transgresses the limits of the Terry doctrine. We hold that it did not.
Finally, the scope of the “search” of appellant’s room immediately following the opening of the door was minimal. The officers needed only to see the face of the person who answered the door. They immediately recognized appellant’s brother.
*1400 4. Entry Into the Room
At that point probable cause to arrest the brother came into being. When he stepped backward a few paces immediately upon seeing the police, the officers properly entered the room to effect that arrest. Although entry into a home to make an arrest generally requires a warrant, at that moment exigent circumstances existed that justified a warrantless entry. This was true because at that point the officers could reasonably believe that evidence would be lost or persons be put in danger if immediate action was not taken.
See, e.g., United States v. Driver,
Having lawfully arrested appellant’s brother inside the hotel room, a subsequent search by the arresting officers of the room was fully justified.
See Illinois v. Lafayette,
VI.
THE ARREST OF THE APPELLANT
Appellant’s last redoubt is his argument that his arrest was constitutionally improper. He argues that the police entry into room 213 for the purpose of arresting his brother constituted an arrest of himself as well; alternatively, he urges that Officer Tuttle’s threat to take him “down to the station” if he did not begin giving satisfactory answers amounted to an arrest. In either case, appellant argues, the arrest was without probable cause.
As in other cases of this type, the issue is whether the arrest was too soon. The trial court found that the arrest of the appellant occurred only after identifying him as the “lookout” in the bank surveillance photograph. At that point, appellant concedes, probable cause to arrest existed. Precisely when an arrest took place has been said to be a question of fact.
Sibron v. New York,
1. Entry into the Room
Winsor, in support of his рremature arrest argument, contends that when numerous police officers entered his room with guns drawn, they effectively “arrested” him. Such forceful entry, he argues, completely foreclosed his freedom to leave. This fact would not by itself demonstrate that an arrest, as opposed to temporary detention, had occurred. Again we draw upon the teaching of
Terry v. Ohio, supra.
It holds that the police may briеfly but completely detain a person under certain conditions without having actually made an arrest. “Nor will the use of force in making the stop convert [it] into an arrest” if circumstances exist justifying police fears for their safety.
United States v. Greene,
The circumstances existing following the entry by the police required a brief but complete foreclosure of appellant’s freedom to leave his hotel room.
See Michigan v. Summers,
*1401 2. Threat of Arrest
Appellant next argues that Officer Tuttle’s threat to take him “down to the station” if he did not begin giving straight answers constituted an arrest. A more reasonable interpretation is that it was a threat to make forthwith a possibly illegal arrest. No doubt it was improper; however, the officer’s threat did not transform appellant’s detention into an arrest. So long as an innocent person could reasonably expect, under the circumstances, to be released after brief questioning, no arrest has occurred.
United States v. Pinion,
The district court’s determination that appellant was actually arrested after Sgt. Moroney identified him was correct. Therefore the arrest did not violate the Fourth Amendment, and Winsor’s subsequent statements in custody were admissible against him.
The judgment is AFFIRMED.
Notes
. Dennis Winsor subsequently pleaded guilty of bank robbery and is not before the court.
. Police properly informed Winsor of his rights. His objections on appeal do not question the police behavior following the arrest.
. In addition, the district court held that the hotel manager’s consent immunized the police conduct from constitutional attack. This too was error. A hotel proprietor cannot waive his guests' Fоurth Amendment rights.
See Stoner v. California,
. The hotel manager had given the police a pass key and had "authorized" them to enter any room where no one responded to their knock. As we have mentioned, the hotel manager had no authority to override the occupants’ Fourth Amendment rights.
See supra note
3. It is clear that if the police had entered the Winsors’ room using this key, they would have violated the Constitution. They did not, however, do so. To the extent that the police unconstitutionally intruded on other occupants’ rooms before reaching the Winsors, we express our strong disapproval of their conduct but note that appellant has no standing to object to it.
See Scott,
.
Hicks
involved a search inside an apartmеnt under the "plain view” doctrine. Although the particular search at issue was relatively unintrusive — turning over a phonograph to see its serial numbers — the Court held that probable cause was necessary. In so holding the Court apparently announced a bright-line rule for searches and seizures inside the home: a "dwelling-place search, no less than a dwelling-place seizure, requires probable cause.”
. Our recent holding in
United States v. Alvarez,
