This appeal raises questions about the Government’s obligations in a criminal case to make notes of, and to disclose, information that may impeach its witnesses or exculpate the defendant. Ramiro Rodriguez was convicted of drug dealing in a multi-defendant trial in which the Government’s case rested primarily on the testimony of two cooperating witnesses. During the direct examination of one cooperating witness, the Government elicited that the witness had lied “about everything” during her initial interviews with investigators. Defense counsel demanded that the Government disclose investigators’ notes from the interviews, and demanded to be informed of the substance of the witness’s false statements. The Government advised that no notes had been made of the false statements and refused to disclose the substance of the lies. The district court at first indicated that the Government should make such a disclosure, but expressed doubt whether disclosure could properly be required where the false statements were not memorialized in a document or a recording, and ultimately declined to compel the disclosure.
Rodriguez contends he suffered a violation of his rights under the Jencks Act, under
Brady v. Maryland,
We reject Rodriguez’s argument that the Government was obligated to take notes during its interviews with its witness. As for Rodriguez’s further arguments — that the Government was obligated to disclose the substance of the witness’s lies — we cannot resolve them at this stage of the case. If the district court’s reason for declining to compel disclosure was that the statements were not recorded, we do not agree. When the Government is in possession of material information that impeaches its witness or exculpates the defendant, it does not avoid the obligation under Brady/Giglio to disclose the information by not writing it down.
Background
Rodriguez was convicted of a conspiracy to possess and distribute cocaine in violation of 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(b)(1)(A), 846. The Government’s case consisted primarily of the testimony of two witnesses. Patricia Lopez, a drug dealer, testified that Rodriguez was sent to the United States by her Colombian suppliers to help her collect on customers’ outstanding debts. Noel Espada, one of Lopez’s customers, testified that Rodriguez and other members of the conspiracy arranged to pick up $50,000 in drug money from him.
Both witnesses testified pursuant to cooperation agreements with the Government. Lopez had met more than ten times with the representatives of the Government. The Government provided the defense with no notes of those meetings, explaining that no notes had been taken. 1 On direct examination, the Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) asked Lopez whether she had told the truth during the meetings. Lopez answered that during her initial meetings with the Government, before she signed a cooperation agreement, she lied “about everything”:
Q. When you first spoke with the government, did you tell them the truth?
A. No.
Q. What did you lie about?
A. About, about everything.
Q. Why did you lie?
A. Well, I really don’t know how to explain this. I did. I was afraid.
Q. Did you eventually tell the government the truth about your involvement with drugs?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you tell the government the truth about all of your criminal activity?
A. Yes.
Referring to
Brady v. Maryland,
When Noel Espada testified on direct examination, the AUSA asked whether “[p]rior to signing [the cooperation] agreement” he had told “law enforcement agents the truth about [his] own involvement in drug selling.” Espada answered that he had initially failed to disclose his brothers’ involvement, but testified that he made a full disclosure after he signed his cooperation agreement. On cross-examination, Espada testified that he met with DEA agents around ten times before trial, spanning about fifty hours of interviews, and spoke with the AUSA at least twenty times. Defense counsel objected that the Government had turned over notes relating to only one meeting. The AUSA explained that no other notes had been taken.
Discussion
I. The Government’s Failure to Take Notes
Rodriguez argues that by failing to take notes during interviews with Lopez and by taking only minimal notes during interviews with Espada, the Government violated his rights under the Jencks Act, under Brady and Giglio, and under the Sixth Amendment’s Confrontation Clause. He suggests that the Government deliberately refrained from memorializing the witnesses’ statements in order to evade any obligation to turn over exculpatory and impeaching information to the defense. He equates the Government’s behavior with the destruction of evidence — here, “the destruction ... not of written notes, but rather of any record of the witnesses’] oral statements by failing to preserve them in written form.” Moreover, according to Rodriguez, “[b]y snuffing out the record ... the [Government immunized its two chief witnesses from full and fair cross-examination.”
The Jencks Act requires the Government to produce to the defendant any “statement” by the witness that “relates to the subject matter as to which the witness has testified.” 18 U.S.C. § 3500(b);
see id.
§ 3500(e) (defining “statement”). The term “statement,” however, is defined to include only statements that have been memorialized in some concrete form, whether in a written document or electrical recording.
Id. §
3500(e). The obligation has no application where, as here, no such memorialization has been created in the first place.
See United States v. Houlihan,
We reject Rodriguez’s contention that
Brady
or the Confrontation Clause requires the Government to take notes during witness interviews. While
Brady
and
Giglio,
as discussed below, obligate the prosecutor in certain circumstances to disclose to the defense material exculpatory
II. The Government’s Disclosure of Brady Information
Whether the Government was obligated to make notes of a potential witness’s statements and whether it was required to disclose the witness’s lies are very different questions. From the fact that the Government is not required to make notes of a witness’s statements, it does not follow that the Government has no obligation to inform the accused of information that materially impeaches its witness.
Brady
and its progeny require the Government to disclose material information that is “favorable to the accused, either because it is exculpatory, or because it is impeaching.”
Strickler v. Greene, 527
U.S. 263, 281-82,
The Supreme Court explained in Strick-ler that the Government’s duty to disclose derives from
the special role played by the American prosecutor in the search for truth in criminal trials. Within the federal system, for example, we have said that the United States Attorney is “the representative not of an ordinary party to a controversy, but of a sovereignty whose obligation to govern impartially is ascompelling as its obligation to govern at all; and whose interest, therefore, in a criminal prosecution is not that it shall win a case, but that justice shall be done.” Berger v. United States, 295 U.S. 78 , 88,55 S.Ct. 629 ,79 L.Ed. 1314 (1935).
Strickler,
Brady
information must be disclosed, furthermore, in a manner that gives the defendant a reasonable opportunity either to use the evidence in the trial or to use the information to obtain evidence for use in the trial. Thus, the Government must make disclosures in sufficient time that the defendant will have a reasonable opportunity to act upon the information efficaciously.
See Leka,
If the district court’s reason for declining to compel the Government to make disclosure was that the lies were not set forth in any document or recording (“I have never seen anything that says the government has to turn over oral information.”), we disagree. As noted above, we agree with the district court that the absence of such memorialization is determinative with respect to any obligation to disclose a witness’s statements under the Jencks Act. The considerations under Brady and Giglio, however, are quite different. Brady and Giglio obligations, which apply only to material exculpatory and impeaching information, arise because it would be unfair to the defendant — and might cast doubt on the reliability of the verdict — for the trial to be conducted without informing the defendant of such information. The obligation to disclose information covered by the Brady and Giglio rules exists without regard to whether that information has been recorded in tangible form. 4
Even if the district court relied on an inappropriate reason for declining to compel disclosure, that would not necessarily mean that a
Brady
violation oc
In the event the court determines that disclosure was mandated, the court will need to consider the Government’s argument that any disclosure obligation was fully discharged when the AUSA elicited on the direct examination of Lopez that she had lied “about everything.” The Government takes the position that this disclosure gave the defendant the full protection of the Brady rule because it armed defense counsel with sufficient information to learn the specifics of Lopez’s lies by cross-examining her.
We express no definitive views on the Government’s argument because the conclusion may vary depending on the nature of the undisclosed material. But at least in some circumstances, telling the defendant that a witness lied, but leaving it for defense counsel to find out what the lies were by questioning the witness before the jury, might as a practical matter foreclose effective use of the impeaching or exculpatory information. Defense counsel would be in the difficult position of having to question the witness blindly in the jury’s presence, not knowing whether the answers elicited might seriously incriminate
The Government acknowledged to the court by letter that “it might have been ‘the better practice’ to have provided the defense with more information about the substance of Ms. Lopez’s prior inconsistent oral statements.” It contends nonetheless that its disclosure complied with Brady and Giglio. We will express no view of the issue on the present facts because the facts are unknown to us. We note further, however, that while the Government and Lopez characterized her initial statements as “lies,” that characterization presumes the truth of the version of events she gave on the witness stand — the very issue at the heart of Rodriguez’s trial. Lopez eventually came to characterize her initial statements as lies and her subsequent statements incriminating the defendants as the truth. But she began by characterizing the initial statements as the truth, apparently denying, at least by implication, what she later testified to. It is at least possible that the initial statements were the truthful ones, and that Lopez’s later testimony was a falsification designed to serve her interests as a cooperator. We do not know whether the initial statements, if true, tended to exonerate Rodriguez, together with Lopez, or contained leads to exculpatory evidence. Depending on the nature of the undisclosed information, the district court may find it pertinent to explore the sufficiency of the Government’s limited disclosure. 6
After hearing the parties, the district court will determine whether there was a
Brady
violation, including whether Lopez’s undisclosed statements were sufficiently material that the Government was obligated under
BradylGiglio
to make disclosure;
If either party wishes to contest that ruling, that party must file a letter brief within thirty days thereof, and the opposing party will have two weeks to respond. The appeal from the district court’s ruling will be referred to this panel. If a party desires expedited review, that should be clearly requested in the letter. If within thirty days neither party contests the district court’s ruling, upon receipt of advice of the ruling and of the lapse of thirty days, we will close the appeal.
We have reviewed all of Rodriguez’s other claims and find them to be without merit.
Conclusion
This case is hereby remanded to the district court for further proceedings.
Notes
. The Government did produce notes of one pretrial statement by Lopez, relating to a different investigation of a shooting, which she acknowledged in her direct testimony to have been false.
. Rodriguez was tried along with other members of the drug conspiracy. Rodriguez’s counsel argues that "[i]t was understood at ... trial that each [defense] attorney did not have to formally join in other attorney [s’] objections.” Because the Government does not contest this claim, we assume it to be correct and consider Rodriguez to have joined in any objections or motions made by his co-defendants.
. We need not and do not consider whether, in some cases, the preservation of exculpatory or impeaching information in a concrete form — such as by note taking — may be necessary to ensure that the information can be relayed accurately to the defense. In this case, there is no reason to doubt the ability of the AUSA to inform the defense of any of the witnesses' prior statements that were materially exculpatory or impeaching. Further, although the Government has no obligation to make written notes for the defendant's benefit, we do not reach here the issue of whether the Government, for the purpose of avoiding the disclosure of the initial falsities and inconsistencies of persons who may become Government trial witnesses, may permissibly instruct an agent not to follow the customary practice of taking notes of witness interviews. That question is not before us in this case because, although defense counsel speculated at trial that the Government had specifically directed agents not to follow their alleged ordinary practice of taking notes of interviews with witnesses, the district court expressly gave defense counsel the opportunity to examine the key agent outside the presence of the jury on this point, and defense counsel declined to take advantage of that opportunity.
. Although courts sometimes loosely describe the
Brady
rule as an obligation to turn over favorable "evidence,”
see, e.g., Youngblood v. West Virginia,
- U.S. -,
. Rodriguez has not argued that there was a Brady violation involving Espada’s false statements per se, as opposed to the failure to take notes of them. As to these statements, the Government disclosed at trial that the falsity consisted of Espada’s concealment of his brothers’ role.
. Another issue which the district court may find pertinent to consider upon remand is whether, assuming the Government was obligated under
Brady
to make disclosure, it was appropriate to defer making the disclosure until mid-trial, during the examination of Lopez. It is difficult to generalize about when disclosures should be made — beyond the conventional statement that disclosure must be timed to ensure "the sufficiency, under the circumstances, of the defense's opportunity to use the evidence when disclosure is made.”
Leka,
We recognize that in many instances the Government will have good reason to defer disclosure until the time of the witness's testimony, particularly of material whose only value to the defense is as impeachment of the witness by reference to prior false statements. In some instances, earlier disclosure could put the witness's life in jeopardy, or risk the destruction of evidence. Also at times, the Government does not know until the time of trial whether a potential cooperator will plead guilty and testify for the Government or go to trial as a defendant.
Being ignorant of the pertinent facts, we offer no speculation with regard to the Government's timing of its limited disclosure of Lopez’s prior inconsistent statements. We note only that this question may prove pertinent to the district court’s inquiry in the event it finds the Government was obligated to make disclosure.
