This сase began almost twenty years ago with a scandal in the Illinois General Assembly. For their roles in the scandal, the four individual defendants were variously convicted of mail fraud and travel in interstate commerce with intent to promote an unlawful activity.
See
18 U.S.C. §§ 1341, 1952. These defendants now have petitioned for a writ of error coram nobis, asking that their convictions be vacated in light of the Supreme Court’s decision in
McNally v. United States,
I. Factual BackgRound
One cubic yard of ready-mix concrete weighs about four thousand pounds, and in 1971, representatives of the ready-mix cement industry wanted to increase the legal load limits of industry trucks by this amount. To meet this goal, the ready-mix industry trade association engaged appellant Pappas as their attorney. Pappas told the trade association that passage of the legislation would cost $5,000 for his fee plus an unspecified amount of money in the future. The unspecified amount soon became $50,000, payable to members of the Illinois legislature.
Terms of payment were then made an issue: was it enough for the bill merely to clear the Illinois General Assembly or did the governor have to approve the legislation before the money became due? An uneasy compromise was reached, and both houses of the General Assembly passed the bill. Not a party to the scheme, the governor then vetoed the proposed legislation, obviously believing that it was not in the best interest of the state of Illinois to have cement trucks rumbling over its highways four thousand pounds heavier. The Gener *655 al Assembly never attempted to override the veto, and the bill never became a law.
Unhappy with the result, the trade association balked at paying anything to state legislators. Because of the unfavorable results, the state legislators offered a discount and agreed to accept only $30,000 for services rendered. Eventually, $15,000 was distributed to various members of the Illinois General Assembly.
For their role in this scandal as members of the General Assembly, a federal district court convicted Craig, North, and Walker of mail fraud; attorney Pappas received similar treatment. In addition, Pappas and Craig were convicted of violations of the Travel Act, 18 U.S.C. § 1952, for causing a member of the trade association to travel to Indiana for the purpose of soliciting bribe money from other trade association members. Pappas received a ten-year sentence and a $10,000 fine; Craig, North, and Walker received five-year sentences and $5,000 fines. On appeal, we affirmed the convictions.
United States v. Craig,
The govеrnment sought the mail fraud convictions under the intangible rights theory — that the petitioners had devised a scheme to defraud the citizens of the state of Illinois of their right to the petitioners’ loyal, faithful, and honest service as public officers, public employees, and members of the Illinois General Assembly. In
McNally v. United States,
Finding a plethora of continuing civil disabilities for convicted felons in the Illinois statutes, the district court granted coram nobis relief to petitioner North. The Walker estate also received relief on the grounds that Walker’s felony conviction precluded his widow from collecting state pension benefits. As to petitioners Craig and Pappas, however, the district court ruled that their invalid mail fraud convictions did not taint their convictions under the Travel Act. Because the valid Travel Act conviction would support any lingering civil disabilities,
see United States v. Keane,
II. Jurisdiction
A. Appellate Jurisdiction
We first pause at a jurisdictional question that nеither party brought to the attention of this court. To avoid becoming mired in a swamp of dates, it is sufficient to note that we have appellate jurisdiction over both the government’s and the petitioners’ appeals only if Fed.R.App.P. 4(a)’s time limits for appeals in civil cases apply. If Fed.R.App.P. 4(b)’s time limits for appeals in criminal cases apply, then both the government’s and the petitioners’ notices of appeal were untimely, and we have no jurisdiction to hear this case. Thus, the question is which set of time limits should govern coram nobis appeals. Two courts of appeals have applied the time limits for criminal appeals,
Yasui v. United States,
• It is tempting to resolve this issue as a matter of semantics. In
United States v. Morgan,
For example, in
United States v. Balistrieri,
The Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure provide for a thirty-day, sixty days if the government is a party, time limit for appeals in civil cases and a ten-day, thirty days if the government exercises a right to appeal, time limit for appeals in criminal cases.
See
Fed.R.App.P. 4. The shorter time limit for criminal appeals furthers the public interest in the prompt resolution of criminal proceedings. Neither the interests of society nor of individual criminal defendants are served by a plodding appellate process that could change the results of a trial, often while the defendant has already begun to serve a sentence of incarceration. Indeed, as witnessed by the sixth amendment and the Speedy Trial Act, rule 4(b) is just а small part of a larger scheme to ensure that criminal prosecutions do not plod on indefinitely. See
United States v. Hammad,
A petition for a writ of error coram nobis does not present the same concerns. Cor-am nobis petitions are brought only after a convicted defendant’s release from federal custody.
See United States v. Bush,
This holding allows a coram nobis petitioner the same time for appeal as a federal prisoner attacking his sentence under section 2255. Section 2255 Rule 11 & advisory committee note. The time limits for civil
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appeals govern a section 2255 motion, even though a section 2255 motion, much like a coram nobis petition, is considered a continuation of a criminal proceeding.
See
Section 2255 Rules 1 & 11 advisory committee notes. In the past, we have even analogized a petition for a writ of error coram nobis to a section 2255 motion.
See United States v. Scherer,
We hold that the time limits for civil appeals in Fed.R.App.P. 4(a) govern an appeal from a district court order denying or granting a petition for a writ of error cor-am nobis. Because both the government and the petitioners met the time limits for a civil appeal, we have jurisdiction to hear the merits of their cases.
B. Standing of the Walker Estate
One of the petitioners, however, cannot meet the standing requirements to have a case heard in federal court. Accordingly, we do not have jurisdiction to hear that part of the appeal. In
United States v. Kerner,
In
Kerner,
the estate of a late governor of Illinois brought a coram nobis petition to expunge his convictions for mail fraud, perjury, false statements, and tax fraud. Although we determined that the estate met the article III standing requirements, we found that the estate failed to satisfy the court-imposed prudential limitations on the exercise of jurisdiction.
See Valley Forge Christian College v. Americans United for Separation of Church and State,
Predictably, the Walker estate attempts to distinguish its situation frоm that of the Kerner estate. The Walker estate argues that unlike Kerner, Walker’s widow is still alive and would be entitled to pension benefits if Walker’s conviction is expunged. This argument misses the point. By refusing to hear an estate’s petition for a writ of error coram nobis, Kerner implicitly holds that the right to seek the writ belongs to the wrongfully convicted individual and dies with that individual. Only one entity could have sought a writ of error coram nobis for Jack Walker, and that entity was Jack Walker himself, before his death.
Furthermore, the Walker estate’s petition for a writ of error coram nobis presents standing problems that even go beyond those considered in
Kerner.
The Kerner estate was at least trying to remedy a cognizable injury to itself: it claimed $90,000 worth of injury in the form of fines, penalties, back taxes, and pension forfeiture it lost as a result of the felony conviction.
III. Discussion
In our recent coram nobis decisions, we have emphasized that to be successful, the petitioner needs to show lingering civil disabilities from his allegedly wrongful сonviction.
See United States v. Bush,
888
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F.2d 1145 (7th Cir.1989);
United States v. Keane,
We do not write on a clean slate in making our decision. In
Bush,
we held that a coram nobis petitioner’s desire to obtain a desirable job did not constitute a civil disability.
As an excellent example of a disability justifying coram nobis relief, we need not look any further than the Supreme Court’s opinion resurrecting the writ in
United States v. Morgan,
Our restrictive view of the writ’s availability is not shared by all circuits. Both the Fourth and Ninth Circuits apparently do not require any showing of a disability before a writ of error coram nobis may issue.
See United States v. Walgren,
Turning tо the petitioners in the present case, we find that none of them have advanced civil disabilities that would justify the issuance of the writ. The most compelling argument raised is that Pappas seeks the return of his license to practice law. After his conviction, the Illinois Supreme Court disbarred Pappas.
See In re Pappas,
As former members of the Illinois General Assembly, both Craig and North assert that a writ of error coram nobis would entitle them to receive legislators’ pension benefits taken from them upon conviction. We first note that despitе their convictions, Craig and North were entitled to a refund of any contributions they had paid into the pension fund.
See
Ill.Rev. Stat. ch. IO8V2, ¶ 2-156. By virtue of this refund, Craig and North were effectively removed at the time of their conviction as participants in the legislators’ pension plan, and basically, they are now asking to be reinstated as plan participants. Any harm to Craig and North for their removal from the pension plan occurred entirely in the past. As we noted above, a writ of error corаm nobis is inappropriate where the civil disabilities do not threaten present harm. We think that Craig and North’s removal from the pension plan is a sunk cost, much like a criminal fine. If Craig and North lost their right to participate in the pension plan through a 1975 civil judgment, it could not be reexamined at this late date. Just as the possibility of recovering a fine is insufficient to justify the issuance of the writ,
see Keane,
Finally, Craig, North, and Pappas all point toward a сornucopia of disabilities that the Illinois statutes have in store for convicted felons. 5 These disabilities range from the possibility of impeachment as a witness, see Ill.Rev.Stat. ch. 110, ¶ 8-101, to possible ineligibility for a cigarette distributor’s permit, see Ill.Rev.Stat. ch. 120, ¶ 453.4b(2). For most of these disabilities, it is enough to observe that they are speculative possibilities at best; there has been no showing that any of these disabilities will cause any of the petitioners to suffer a present harm. A few of these disabilities, however, merit furthеr comment. As to the right to vote, none of the petitioners have alleged that they are currently unable to vote, probably because section 2 of article III of the Illinois Constitution restores the right to vote to felons who have completed their sentences. 6 Recognition of possible future criminal sentence enhancements as grounds for coram nobis relief would be tantamount to judicial recognition that the petitioners intend to commit more crimes—a possibility we absolutely refuse to acknowledge until it occurs. Finally, Craig and North assert that their tainted federal convictions wrongfully deprived them of their seats in the Illinois legislature, a classic example of a past harm that a writ of error coram nobis could not or should not remedy.
IV. Conclusion
We have reaffirmed our holding that estates lack standing to bring coram nobis petitions on behalf of their decedents. We have also stuck to our precedents on coram nobis petitioners’ neеd to show continuing disabilities from their allegedly erroneous convictions. Because we found all of the petitioners’ disabilities lacking merit, we have declined to reach the government’s alternate argument that Craig’s and Pap-pas’s Travel Act convictions can stand independent of any invalid mail fraud counts. Accordingly, the Walker estate’s appeal is dismissed for want of subject-matter jurisdiction; the judgment of the district court denying a writ of error coram nobis to Robert Craig and Petеr V. Pappas is affirmed; and the judgment of the district court granting a writ of error coram nobis to Frank P. North, Jr., is reversed.
Dismissed in Part, Affirmed in Part, and Reversed in Part.
Notes
. Although both the
Yasui
and
Mills
courts applied the ten-day period for criminal appeals, neither court allowed their holdings to forfeit the defendant’s right of appeal. In
Mills,
the court construed the district court's acceptance of the untimely notice of appeal as a grant of additional time for the defendant to proceed with his appeal,
see
. This second requirement is also reflected in our rule that if an indictment states one valid offense, then no coram nobis relief is available, "for a single felony conviction supports any civil disabilities....”
Keane,
. In taking its less restrictive stance, the Ninth Circuit relied on language in
Sibron v. New York,
. In his briefs to this court and the district court, Pappas did make several self-serving statements that he desired to seek reinstatement to the Illinois bar. These statements hardly constitute reliable evidence of Pappas’s intent.
See Morrison v. Duckworth,
. Upon our examination of the statutes cited to us by the petitioners, we found that several of these statutes had long been repealed.
. We also note that Ill.Rev.Stat. ch. 38, ¶ 1005-5-5 automatically restores, after completion of a term of imprisonment, rights and privileges lost upon conviction.
