The Government appeals from the district court’s order suppressing the physical evidence against Samuel Francis Patane on charges of gun possession by a felon. The district court based its suppression order on its conclusion that the evidence was insufficient to establish probable cause to arrest Patane. We conclude, contrary to the district court, that probable cause existed to arrest Patane. However, we affirm the district court’s order on the alternative ground that the evidence must be suppressed as the physical fruit of a Miranda violation.
I. BACKGROUND
Patane was indicted for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1). The district court held a suppression hearing at which the police investigation leading to discovery of the gun was detailed. Ruling from the bench a week later, the court granted defendant’s motion to suppress. Patane’s arrest resulted from the intersection of two essentially independent investigations— one by Colorado Springs Detective Josh Benner regarding Patane’s gun possession, and another by Colorado Springs Officer Tracy Fox regarding Patane’s violation of a domestic violence restraining order.
The story begins when Patane was arrested for harassing and menacing his ex-girlfriend, Linda O’Donnell. He was released on bond from the El Paso, Colorado county jail on June 3, 2001, subject to a temporary restraining order. The restraining order is not in the record, but uncontroverted testimony indicates that it *1015 forbade Patane to contact O’Donnell, in person or by phone, directly or indirectly, in the 72 hours after his release on bond.
On June 6, an agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms telephoned Detective Benner, a member of a local police drug interdiction unit that worked closely with the ATF. The agent said that a county probation officer had told him that Patane was a convicted felon who also had been convicted on a domestic violence charge, and that Patane possessed a Glock .40 caliber pistol. The record does not reveal how the probation officer knew that Patane had the gun. Detective Ben-ner called O’Donnell to inquire about the gun, and she told him that Patane had the pistol with him at all times.
Seemingly by coincidence, at the moment Benner called O’Donnell to ask about the gun, Officer Fox had arrived at O’Donnell’s residence, responding to a call from O’Donnell about an alleged violation of the restraining order. O’Donnell told Officer Fox that two days earlier, O’Donnell received a hang-up call. Using the *69 feature on her telephone, O’Donnell learned that the call originated from a number that O’Donnell recognized as Patane’s home telephone. This call violated Patane’s restraining order, O’Donnell stated, and she showed Officer Fox a copy of the order. O’Donnell said that she was afraid for her safety, that she knew Patane regularly had a gun, and that Patane kept a list of people he wanted to kill. Officer Fox confirmed by computer that a restraining order had been issued.
Officer Fox did not confirm O’Donnell’s use of the call tracing, although she had done so in a prior, unrelated case and thus was aware it was possible. Neither Officer Fox nor Detective Benner ran a criminal background check on O’Donnell prior to Patane’s arrest, which Patane asserts would have revealed that O’Donnell was herself out on bond for carrying a concealed weapon, criminal trespass, theft, and criminal damage.
Detective Benner and Officer Fox then spoke by phone. Officer Fox said she planned to arrest Patane for violating the restraining order by calling O’Donnell, and the two arranged to go to Patane’s house. Officer Fox knocked on the door while Detective Benner went out back in case Patane attempted to flee. The woman who answered the door summoned Patane. Officer Fox asked Patane to step outside, which he did. She asked him about the hang-up call, and Patane denied having made the call or having contacted O’Donnell in any way. Officer Fox told Patane that he was under arrest and handcuffed him shortly afterward.
With Patane arrested and handcuffed, Detective Benner emerged from the back of the house and approached Patane. Detective Benner began advising Patane of his Miranda rights, but only got as far as the right to silence when Patane said that he knew his rights. No further Miranda warnings were given, a fact which the Government concedes on appeal resulted in a Miranda violation. Detective Benner told Patane he was interested in what guns Patane owned. Patane replied, “That .357 is already in police custody.” Detective Benner said, “I am more interested in the Glock.” Patane said he was not sure he should tell Detective Benner about the Glock pistol because he did not want it taken away. Detective Benner said he needed to know about it, and Patane said, “The Glock is in my bedroom on a shelf, on the wooden shelf.” Detective Benner asked for permission to get the gun, which Patane granted, and Detective Benner went inside, found the gun where Patane described, and seized it. Detective Benner then told Patane, as the detective later testified, that “I wasn’t going to arrest him *1016 for the gun at this time because I wanted to do some more investigations Officer Fox took Patane to the police station and booked him for violating the restraining order.
The next day, Detective Benner met with Patane’s probation officer and verified that Patane had a prior felony conviction for drug possession as well as a misdemeanor third degree assault conviction.
II. PROBABLE CAUSE
On appeal, the Government argues that the district court erred in concluding that the police lacked probable cause to arrest Patane for violating the domestic violence restraining order. We agree with the Government.
In reviewing the district court’s probable cause determination, “we consider the evidence in a light most favorable to the district court’s legal determinations, and review the court’s findings of historical fact for clear error. Absent any finding of fact, we will uphold the court’s legal determination if any reasonable view of the evidence supports it. We review the ultimate determinations of reasonable suspicion to stop and probable cause to arrest de novo.”
United States v. Treto-Haro,
An officer has probable cause to arrest if, under the totality of the circumstances, he learned of facts and circumstances through reasonably trustworthy information that would lead a reasonable person to believe that an offense has been or is being committed by the person arrested. Probable cause does not require facts sufficient for a finding of guilt; however, it does require more than mere suspicion.
United States v. Morris,
The district court’s ruling that no probable cause existed to arrest Patane for violating the domestic violence restraining order was based on its view that domestic disputes often involve “claims and counterclaims ... thrown between people who have separated some sort of an intimate relationship,” and therefore that uncorroborated allegations arising from such disputes are “just inadequate” to establish probable cause. Unexplored avenues of corroboration noted by the court were: the failure to check telephone records to confirm O’Donnell’s allegation that a call had been placed from Patane’s residence to hers during the time frame covered by the restraining order, “verification which presumably could have been done rather easily,” the failure to investigate O’Donnell’s credibility prior to the arrest, the failure to corroborate O’Donnell’s accusations apart from Detective Benner’s confirmation that Patane indeed possessed a gun, which “has nothing to do with the crime for which he was arrested,” and the failure to determine whether persons other than Patane had access to Patane’s telephone. The court also noted that “[i]t’s just one contact which ... could, in my life experience, have been an innocent mistake” because “people do make calls to numbers with which they are familiar, not intending to make the call,” that Patane denied having contacted O’Donnell, and that O’Donnell delayed two days in reporting the call to the police.
We reject any suggestion that victims of domestic violence are unreliable witnesses whose testimony cannot establish probable cause absent independent corroboration. We have stated, “when examining informant evidence used to support a claim of probable cause for a ... warrantless ar
*1017
rest, the skepticism and careful scrutiny usually found in cases involving informants, sometimes anonymous, from the criminal milieu, is appropriately relaxed if the informant is an identified victim or ordinary citizen witness.”
Easton v. City of Boulder,
We find no basis for the suggestion that domestic violence victims are undeserving of the presumption of veracity accorded other victim-witnesses. Indeed, our decision in Easton forecloses such a position. In Easton, probable cause to arrest for child molestation was based on the accusations of two child witnesses, one five years old and the other three years old. We rejected as “an entirely unacceptable point of view” the argument that the children’s testimony was suspect, stating:
In a great many child molestation cases, the only available evidence that a crime has been committed is the testimony of children. To discount such testimony from the outset would only serve to discourage children and parents from reporting molestation incidents and to unjustly insulate the perpetrator of such crimes from prosecution.
Easton,
In this case, neither the district court nor Patane point to any evidence in the record suggesting that O’Donnell lied about the purported hang-up call out of personal animosity against Patane arising from their failed relationship, let alone that the police were aware of such evidence at the time of arrest. For example, there was no evidence that O’Donnell had threatened to lie in such a manner, or that she had lied in such a manner in the past. To the contrary, there was evidence that Patane recently had been arrested for harassing and menacing O’Donnell after he threatened to kill her, that O’Donnell knew that Patane carried a gun and kept a list of persons (including police officers) he wanted to kill, and that O’Donnell feared that Patane would kill her. Admittedly, O’Donnell waited two days before reporting the hang-up call, a fact that could cast some doubt on the veracity of her report. However, we do not believe that fact alone was sufficient to require the officers to treat her complaint with special skepticism.
In any event, we note that the officers here did corroborate O’Donnell’s veracity in two respects. First, the district court found as fact that, prior to the arrest, Detective Benner had learned from a probation officer that Patane possessed a gun. Second, Officer Fox verified that a restraining order had been issued against *1018 Patane. The mere fact that further corroboration was possible is not dispositive of whether the information available would lead a reasonable person to believe that an offense had been committed.
At oral argument, Patane argued that, as a matter of law, a single hang-up phone call could not constitute a violation of the restraining order. We disagree. As noted above, the evidence showed that the restraining order forbade Patane to contact O’Donnell, directly or indirectly, in person or by telephone, and counsel for Patane conceded that multiple hang-up phone calls would amount to a violation of the restraining order. We find no basis to conclude that a single call is not “contact” with the victim, or that a single call does not implicate the same concerns about intimidation and harassment that multiple calls would.
Cf.
42 U.S.C. § 376hh(a), (b)(1) (“encouraging] States ... to treat domestic violence as a serious violation of criminal law” by authorizing Attorney General to make grants to implement “mandatory arrest or proarrest programs and ... policies for protection order violations”). We acknowledge that it is conceivable that a single hang-up call might result from careless rather than willful behavior. However, probable cause does not require certainty of guilt or even a preponderance of evidence of guilt, but rather only reasonably trustworthy information that would lead a reasonable person to believe an offense was committed.
Morris,
Accordingly, we conclude that Patane’s arrest was supported by probable cause to believe that Patane had violated the domestic violence restraining order. 2
III. SUPPRESSION OF THE PHYSICAL FRUITS OF A MIRANDA VIOLATION
Our conclusion that the district court erroneously based suppression of the gun on the absence of probable cause to arrest does not end our inquiry. Patane argues that suppression of the gun should be affirmed because, even if the arrest was proper, the ensuing Miranda violation independently requires suppression of the physical evidence.
The district held, and the Government concedes on appeal, that a Miranda violation occurred when the police questioned Patane about his possession of a gun without administering the complete Miranda warnings. As explained above, this questioning led Patane to admit that he possessed a gun in his bedroom, which admission in turn led immediately to seizure of the gun. The Government correctly concedes that Patane’s admissions in response to questioning were inadmissible under *1019 Miranda, but argues that the physical fruit of the Miranda violation — the gun— is admissible.
The district court determined that it was unnecessary to decide whether the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation must be suppressed because it had concluded that the underlying arrest that led to the confession was unconstitutional. Because we have reversed the conclusion that the arrest was unconstitutional, we are now squarely presented with the issue whether the gun should be suppressed in any event because it was obtained as the fruits of an unconstitutionally obtained confession. This issue was fully briefed and presented below and it is again fully briefed on appeal. Resolution of this issue involves our answering a purely legal question (i.e., whether the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation must be suppressed), a question that potentially would render remand and further proceedings unnecessary. Thus, we now turn to that issue.
Smith v. Plati,
A. Supreme Court precedent
The Government relies primarily on two Supreme Court cases for its argument that the fruits doctrine does not apply to
Miranda
violations:
Michigan v. Tucker,
However, the premise upon which
Tucker
and
Elstad
relied was fundamentally altered in
Dickerson v. United States,
Additionally, a close reading of Tucker and Elstad reveals other distinctions that lead us to conclude that those cases should not be given the sweeping reading the Government is asserting. We examine each decision below.
Tucker
involved an
un-Mirandized
custodial interrogation that occurred prior to
*1020
the issuance of the
Miranda
decision.
3
During the course of the interrogation, the defendant identified a relevant witness of whom the police previously had been ignorant. The defendant argued before the Court that the testimony of the witness so identified by the defendant should have been barred as the fruit of the
Miranda
violation. The Court’s rejection of this argument rested largely on its conclusion that excluding the fruits of this confession would have minimal prophylactic effect because the officers were acting in complete good faith under prevailing
pre-Miranda
law that barred only coerced confessions. After noting in the opening paragraph of the opinion that the interrogation took place prior to Miranda,
Tucker,
The deterrent purpose of the exclusionary rule necessarily assumes that the police have engaged in willful, or at the very least negligent, conduct which has deprived the defendant of some right.... Where the official action was pursued in complete good faith, however, the deterrence rationale loses much of its force.
We consider it significant to our decision in this case that the officers’ failure to advise respondent of his right to appointed counsel occurred prior to the decision in Miranda. Although we have been urged to resolve the broad question of whether evidence derived from statements taken in violation of the Miranda rules must be excluded regardless of when the interrogation took place, we instead place our holding on a narrower ground. For at the time respondent was questioned these police officers were guided, quite rightly, by the principles established in Escobedo v. Illinois
Id.
at 447,
The other Supreme Court case offered by the Government to support its argument is
Elstad,
[T]he Miranda presumption, though ir-rebuttable for purposes of the prosecution’s case in chief, does not require that the statements and their fruits be discarded as inherently tainted.
.... In deciding how sweeping the judicially imposed consequences of a failure to administer Miranda warnings should be, the Tucker Court noted that neither the general goal of deterring *1021 improper police conduct nor the Fifth Amendment goal of assuring trustworthy evidence would be served by suppression of the witness’ testimony. The unwarned confession must, of course, be suppressed, but the Court ruled that introduction of the third-party witness’ testimony did not violate Tucker’s Fifth Amendment rights.
We believe that this reasoning applies with equal force when the alleged “fruit” of a noncoercive Miranda violation is neither a witness nor an article of evidence but the accused’s own voluntary testimony. As in Tucker, the absence of any coercion or improper tactics undercuts the twin rationales — trustworthiness and deterrence — for a broader rule. Once warned, the suspect is free to exercise his own volition in deciding whether or not to make a statement to the authorities. The Court has often noted: A living witness is not to be mechanically equated with the proffer of inanimate evidentiary objects illegally seized. The living witness is an individual human personality whose attributes of will, perception, memory and volition interact to determine what testimony he will give.
Id.
at 307-09,
While the reasoning regarding volition in Elstad’s holding indicates that the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation are subject to the
Wong Sun
fruits doctrine, we acknowledge that dicta elsewhere in the opinion has been cited for the contrary conclusion.
See Elstad,
In any event, we do not suggest that the holding in Elstad relying on volition definitively establishes that the physical fruits of a Miranda violation must be suppressed. Rather, the essential point for our analysis is only that Elstad does not definitively establish the contrary rule. We think Justice Wdiite most accurately summarized the relevance of Elstad and Tucker to the issue of suppression of the physical fruits of a Miranda violation:
In Michigan v. Tucker, this Court expressly left open the question of the admissibility of physical evidence obtained as a result of an interrogation conducted contrary to the rules set forth in Miranda v. Arizona. Since that time, the state and federal courts have been divided on this question. Indeed, in Massachusetts v. White,439 U.S. 280 ,99 S.Ct. 712 ,58 L.Ed.2d 519 (1978), this Court was evenly divided on the issue of the admissibility of physical evidence obtained from an interrogation that violated Miranda.
While Elstad has been considered illuminating by some Courts of Appeals on the question of admissibility of physical evidence yielded from a Miranda violation, that decision did not squarely address the question presented here, and in fact, left the matter open.
*1023
Patterson v. United States,
It is true that, prior to
Dickerson,
the Tenth Circuit applied
Tucker
and
Elstad
to the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation and concluded that suppression was not required because “[w]here the uncoun-seled statement is voluntary ... there is no fifth amendment violation and the fruits may be admissible.”
United States v. McCurdy,
Accordingly, we reject the Government’s position that Tucker and Elstad foreclose suppression of the physical fruits of a Miranda violation.
B. Loiver court approaches
Courts applying
Dickerson
have split on the proper application of
Wong Sun
to the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation. The Third and Fourth Circuits have ruled that the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation never are subject to
Wong Sun
suppression.
United States v. Sterling,
1. Sterling & DeSumma
The Third and Fourth Circuits have concluded that the fruits doctrine simply does not apply to
Miranda
violations even after
Dickerson. United States v. Sterling,
The Court of Appeals also noted that in Oregon v. Elstad we stated that “[t]he Miranda exclusionary rule ... serves the Fifth Amendment and sweeps more broadly than the Fifth Amendment itself.” Our decision in that case — -refusing to apply the traditional “fruits” doctrine developed in Fourth Amendment cases — does not prove that Miranda is a nonconstitutional decision, but simply recognizes the fact that unreasonable searches under the Fourth Amendment are different from unwarned interrogation under the Fifth Amendment.
Dickerson,
Both
Sterling
and
DeSumma
viewed this language as amounting to an endorsement of the rule that the
Wong Sun
exclusionary rule does not apply to the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation.
Sterling,
Although Dickerson held Miranda to be with Constitutional significance, Miranda only held that certain warnings must be given before a suspect’s statements made during custodial interrogation can be admitted into evidence. In addition, we are of opinion that the Court’s reference to and reaffirmation of Miranda’s progeny indicates that the established exceptions, like those in Tucker and Elstad, survive. Thus, the distinction between statements and derivative evidence survives Dickerson. In fact, Dickerson reiterated the distinction made in Elstad by stating that: “Our decision in that case — refusing to apply the traditional ‘fruits’ doctrine developed in Fourth Amendment cases-— does not prove that Miranda is a non-constitutional decision, but simply recognizes the fact that unreasonable searches under the Fourth Amendment are different from unwarned interrogation under the Fifth Amendment.”
There are at least two serious problems with the reasoning in
DeSumma
and
Sterling.
First, we respectfully disagree with their conclusion that
Dickerson’s
reference to the controlling force of
“Miranda
and its progeny in this Court” forecloses the argument that the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation may be suppressed. Although we agree that, based on this language, the holdings of
Elstad
and
Tucker
survive
Dickerson,
neither
Elstad
nor
Tucker
involved the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation; as explained above,
El-stad
expressly contrasted the subsequent confession it found admissible from physical fruits, while
Tucker
expressly limited its holding to
pre-Miranda
interrogations.
See Patterson,
The second fundamental problem with the reasoning in
DeSumma
and
Sterling
is that the language that they rely on for the proposition that
Dickerson
endorsed the extension of
Elstad
to physical fruits in fact said only that
Elstad
“recognizes ... that unreasonable searches under the Fourth Amendment are
different
from unwarned interrogation under the Fifth Amendment.”
Dickerson,
Of course, Elstad’s explanation of how application of the fruits doctrine is “different” in
Miranda
cases begs the question of what a “broad” application means. We conclude that the broad application of the fruits doctrine is that defined in
Nix:
“the prosecution is not to be put in a better position than it would have been in if no illegality had transpired.”
*1026 One could argue that further narrowing of the'pure fruits doctrine in the Miranda context — narrowing beyond that already effectuated by the holdings of Elstad and Tucked 8 — also is appropriate. However, we are unpersuaded that the additional narrowing articulated in DeSumma and Sterling (refusing to apply the fruits exclusion to physical evidence obtained as a result of the illegally obtained confession) reflects a correct understanding of the way in which Miranda violations are, in Dickerson’s words, “different” from Fourth Amendment violations.
A blanket rule barring application of the fruits doctrine to the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation would mark a dramatic departure from Supreme Court precedent. The Court consistently has recognized that deterrence of police misconduct, whether deliberate or negligent, is the fundamental justification for the fruits doctrine.
Nix,
In sharp contrast with
Elstad
and
Tucker,
however, the rule argued for by the Government here risks the evisceration of the deterrence provided by the fruits doctrine, as this case well illustrates. As a practical matter, the inability to offer Patane’s statements in this case affords no deterrence, because the ability to offer the physical evidence (the gun) renders the statements superfluous to conviction.
See generally United States v. Kruger,
Further, the rule urged upon us by the Government appears to make little sense as a matter of policy. From a practical perspective, we see little difference between the confessional statement “The Glock is in my bedroom on a shelf,” which even the Government concedes is clearly excluded under Miranda and Wong Sun, and the Government’s introduction of the Glock found in the defendant’s bedroom on the shelf as a result of his unconstitutionally obtained confession. If anything, to adopt the Government’s rule would allow it to make greater use of the confession than merely introducing the words themselves.
Accordingly, we decline to adopt the position of the Third and Fourth Circuits that the Wong Sun fruits doctrine never applies to Miranda violations.
2. Faulkingham
With its recent decision in
United States v. Faulkingham,
Turning to the application of this standard to circumstances — present both in Faulkingham and in the present case— where an officer negligently rather than intentionally violates a defendant’s Miranda rights, however, we disagree with the First Circuit. In Faulkingham, the court concluded that, where the Miranda violation resulted from mere negligence on the part of the interrogating officer, there is no strong need for deterrence and thus *1028 the physical fruits of the Miranda violation need not be excluded. We conclude that Faulkingham, ’s cramped view of deterrence leads it to an erroneous conclusion regarding negligent Miranda violations.
Faulkingham asserted, without elaboration, that “[o]nce the un-Mirandized incul-patory statements of the defendant are themselves suppressed, the role of deterrence under the Fifth Amendment becomes less primary.” Id. at 92. The heart of the court’s analysis is the following:
Where, as here, negligence is the reason that the police failed to give a Miranda warning, the role of deterrence is weaker than in a case ... where the apparent reason the police failed to give a warning was their intention to manipulate the defendant into giving them information.
Faulkingham’s claim, taking all the surrounding circumstances into account, simply does not tip the balance toward a strong need for deterrence. Faulking-ham’s statement was not the result of “coercive official tactics.” There was no deliberate misconduct by the [police] agents here. There was no misleading or manipulation by the government.... The findings of the magistrate judge and the trial judge give us no reason to think that the agents deliberately failed to give the warning in order to get to the physical evidence or that they did so to get to another witness who might or might not incriminate Faulkingham. The agents’ negligence resulted in the suppression of Faulkingham’s confession, itself a detriment to the agents....
Id. at 93-94 (citation to opinion below omitted). The court noted that “Faulking-ham himself started talking without much questioning” and observed that “there is nothing to shock the conscience of the court and no fundamental unfairness.” Id. at 94. In light of the totality of the circumstances, the court held “that Faulking-ham’s far weaker argument for recognition of a deterrence interest for suppression of derivative evidence arising from a negligent violation of his Miranda rights is insufficient to carry the day.” Id.
We do not believe that “the role of deterrence ... becomes less primary” once the statement itself has been suppressed. Id. at 92. Instead, the relevant question remains whether suppression of the statement alone provides deterrence sufficient to protect citizens’ constitutional privilege against self-incrimination. As we already have stated above, see supra at 1026-27, we answer this question in the negative.
Nor do we share
Faulkingham’s
view that there is a strong need for deterrence only where the officer’s actions were deliberate rather than negligent. Finally,
Miranda
itself made clear that the privilege against self-incrimination was animated, not by a desire merely to deter intentional misconduct by police, but by the “one overriding thought” that “the constitutional foundation underlying the privilege is the respect a government ... must accord to the dignity and integrity of its citizens.”
Miranda,
Moreover, we conclude that a rule limiting
Wong Sun
suppression of the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation to situations where the police demonstrably acted in intentional bad faith would fail to vindicate the exclusionary rule’s deterrent purpose. Even in cases where the failure to administer
Miranda
warnings was calculated, obtaining evidence of such deliberate violations of
Miranda
often would be difficult or impossible.
Cf. Whren v. United States,
Accordingly, we agree with the First Circuit’s conclusion that the Wong Sun fruits doctrine may apply to the physical fruits of Miranda violations, but we decline to adopt Faulkingham’s view that the physical fruits of a negligent Miranda violation are admissible. As a practical matter, we agree with the view of the United States District Court for the District of Maine, expressed in an opinion issued prior to FaulMngham:
Prior to the decision in Dickerson, the issue of suppression of evidence discovered as a result of a violation of Miranda turned on a complex and largely opaque analysis attempting to resolve on an ad hoc basis the tension between the reliability of the subject evidence and the goal of deterrence of police misconduct. This Court believes all of that has gone by the board with the conferral by Dickerson of constitutional status on the right to a Miranda warning.
United States v. Kruger,
As explained above, we conclude that Miranda’s deterrent purpose would not be vindicated meaningfully by suppression only of Patane’s statement. We hold that the physical fruits of this Miranda violation must be suppressed.
IY. CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, we AFFIRM the district court’s order suppressing the gun. 9
Notes
. We noted in
Easton
that the accusations of the children contained "significant” discrepancies, and even noted the possibility that their testimony would be inadmissible in court due to an inability to understand the oath, yet we held that the children's accusations established probable cause.
. In light of our conclusion that the officers had probable cause to arrest for violation of the restraining order, it is unnecessary to reach the Government’s alternative argument that the arrest was justified by probable cause to believe that Patane was a felon in possession of a gun. The district court declined to decide whether the officers had probable cause to arrest on the basis of Patane's gun violation. (”[T]o allow the arresting officers after the fact to go back and scramble ... for evidence that might justify an arrest on another charge ... would not be a good rule to establish....”). On appeal, the Government argued that this reasoning is foreclosed by
United States v. Santana-Garcia,
. Miranda nonetheless applied because it was issued prior to Tucker's trial. In fact, the defendant received all the warnings later incorporated into the Miranda requirements except for the advice that he could receive free counsel if he was indigent.
.
See also Orozco v. Texas,
This reading of
Orozco
is reinforced by the Court's subsequent opinion in
Kastigar v. United States,
Indeed, in
Miranda
itself the Court stated that “unless and until such warnings and waiver are demonstrated by the prosecution at trial,
no evidence obtained as a result of interrogation
can be used against him.”
. There is a substantial argument that
Elstad
ought not even be treated as a case involving application of the
Wong Sun
fruits doctrine in the first place, for precisely the reasons emphasized by
Elstad
in its volition discussion. In rejecting the argument that the second confession was the result of some "subtle form of lingering compulsion,”
id.
at 311,
Elstad
in effect concluded that the second confession was not evidence "obtained ... as a direct result” of the
Miranda
violation.
Wong Sun,
. We also recognize that Justice O'Connor argued that the physical fruits of a
Miranda
violation were not subject to
Wong Sun
suppression in her
pre-Elstad
concurrence in
New York v. Quarles,
.
Elstad.
also stated that a second way that Fourth Amendment violations are different from
Miranda
violations is that only the former are constitutional violations.
. Tucker’s narrowing would seem no longer applicable because it appeared to establish an exception only for questioning that pre-dated Miranda itself. Elstad's narrowing would still have applicability today because it declined to apply the fruits exclusion to a subsequent voluntary confession rendered after the Miranda warnings are given.
. Defendant Appellee’s Motion to Clarify Statements Made in Defendant Appellee’s Previously Filed Answer Brief is denied as moot.
