This appeal from a sentence for criminal contempt for refusing to answer a question asked in the course of an inquiry by a grand jury raises an important issue as to the application of the attorney-client privilege to a non-lawyer employed by a law firm. Our decision of that issue leaves us with the further problem of what disposition is appropriate on a record which, due to the extreme positions erroneously taken by both parties in the court below, lacks the evidence needed to determine whether or not the privilege existed. We vacate the judgment and remand so that the facts may be developed.
Kovel is a former Internal Revenue agent having accounting skills. Since 1943 he has been employed by Kamerman & Kamerman, a law firm specializing in tax law. A grand jury in the Southern District of New York was investigating alleged Federal income tax violations by Hopps, a client of the law firm; Kovel was subpoenaed to appear on September 6, 1961, a few days before the date, September 8, when the Government feared the statute of limitations might run. The law firm advised the Assistant United States Attorney that since Kovel was an employee under the direct supervision of the partners, Kovel could not disclose any communications by the client or the result of any work done for the client, unless the latter consented; the Assistant answered that the attorney-client privilege did not apply to one who was not an attorney.
The record reveals nothing as to what occurred on September 6. On September 7, the grand jury appeared before Judge Cashin. The Assistant United States Attorney informed the judge that Kovel had refused to answer “several questions * * * on the grounds of attorney-client privilege”; he proffered “respectable authority * * * that an accountant, even if he is retained or employed by a firm of attorneys, cannot take the privilege.” The judge answered “You don’t have to give me any authority on that.” A court reporter testified that Kovel, after an initial claim of privilege had admitted receiving a statement of Hopps’ assets and liabilities, but that, when asked “what was the purpose of your receiving that,” had declined to answer on the ground of privilege “Because the communication was received with a purpose, as stated by the client”; later questions and answers indicated the communication was a letter addressed to
Later on September 7, they and Kovel’s employer, Jerome Kamerman, now acting as his counsel, appeared again before Judge Cashin. The Assistant told the judge that Kovel had “refused to answer some of the questions which you had directed him to answer.” A reporter reread so much of the transcript heretofore summarized as contained the first two refusals. The judge offered Kovel another opportunity to answer, reiterating the view, “There is no privilege to this man at all.” Counsel referred to New York Civil Practice Act, § 353, which we quote in the margin, 1 and sought an adjournment until co-counsel could appear; the judge put the matter over until the next morning.
On the morning of September 8, the same dramatis personae, plus the added counsel, attended in open court. Counsel reiterated that an employee “who sits with the client of the law firm * * * occupies the same status * * * as a clerk or stenographer or any other lawyer * * * ”; The judge was equally clear that the privilege was never “extended beyond the attorney.” In the course of a colloquy the Assistant made it plain that further questions beyond the two immediately at issue might be asked. After the judge had briefly retired, leaving the Assistant and Kovel with the grand jury, proceedings in open court resumed. The reporter recited that in the interval, on reappearing before the grand jury and being asked “What was the purpose communicated to you by Mr. Hopps for your receiving from him an asset and liability statement of his personal financial situation?”, Kovel had declined to answer. On again being directed to do so, Kovel declined “on the ground that it is a privileged communication.” The court held him in contempt, sentenced him to a year’s imprisonment, ordered immediate commitment and denied bail. Later in the day, the grand jury having indicted, Kovel was released until September 12, at which time, without opposition from the Government, I granted bail pending determination of this appeal.
Here the parties continue to take generally the same positions as below— Kovel, that his status as an employee of a law firm automatically made all communications to him from clients privileged; the Government, that under no circumstances could there be privilege with respect to communications to an accountant. The New York County Lawyers’ Association as amicus curiae has filed a brief generally supporting appellant’s position.
I.
Decision under what circumstances, if any, the attorney-client privi
Indeed, the Government does not here dispute that the privilege covers communications to non-lawyer employees with “a menial or ministerial responsibility that involves relating communications
to an attorney.”
We cannot regard the privilege as confined to “menial or ministerial” employees. Thus, we can see no significant difference between a case where the attorney sends a client speaking a foreign language to an interpreter to make a literal translation of the client’s story; a second where the attorney, himself having some little knowledge of the foreign tongue, has a more knowledgeable non-lawyer employee in the room to help out; a third where someone to perform that same function has been brought along by the client; and a fourth where the attorney, ignorant of the foreign language, sends the client to a non-lawyer proficient in it, with instructions to interview the client on the attorney’s behalf and then render his own summary of the situation, perhaps drawing on his own knowledge in the process, so that the attorney can give the client proper legal advice. All four cases meet every element of Wigmore’s famous formulation, § 2292, “(1) Where legal advice of any kind is sought (2) from a professional legal adviser in his capacity as such, (3) the communications relating to that purpose, (4) made in confidence (5) by the client, (6) are at his instance permanently protected (7) from disclosure by himself or by the legal adviser, (8) except the protection be waived,” save (7); literally, none of them is within (7) since the disclosure
This analogy of the client speaking a foreign language is by no’ means irrelevant to the appeal at hand. Accounting concepts are a foreign language to some lawyers in almost all cases, and to almost all lawyers in some cases. Hence the presence of an accountant, whether hired by the lawyer or by the client, while the client is relating a complicated tax story to the lawyer, ought not destroy the privilege, any more than would that of the linguist in the second or third variations of the foreign language theme discussed above; the presence of the accountant is necessary, or at least highly useful, for the effective consultation between the client and the lawyer which the privilege is designed to permit.
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By the same token, if the lawyer has directed the client, either in the specific case or generally, to tell his story in the first instance to an accountant •engaged by the lawyer, who is then to interpret it so that the lawyer may better give legal advice, communications by the client reasonably related to that purpose ought fall within thé privilege; there can be no more virtue in requiring the lawyer to sit by while the client pursues these possibly tedious preliminary conversations with the accountant than in insisting on the lawyer’s physical presence while the client dictates a statement to the lawyer’s secretary or is interviewed by a clerk not yet admitted to practice. What is vital to the privilege is that the communication be made
in confidence
for the purpose of obtaining
legal
advice
from the lawyer.
If what is sought is not legal advice but only accounting service, as in Olender v. United States,
II.
The application of these principles here is more difficult than it ought be in future cases, because the extreme positions taken both by appellant and by the Government, the latter’s being shared by the judge, resulted in a record that does not tell us how Hopps came to be communicating with Kovel rather than with Kamerman. The Government says the burden of establishing the privilege was on Kovel and, since he did not prove all the facts essential to it even on our view, the sentence must stand. Kovel rejoins that the Government always has the burden of showing a criminal defendant’s guilt and, since the proof does not negate the possible existence of a privilege, the sentence must fall.
We follow the Government’s argument at least to this extent: If we were here dealing with a trial at which a claim of privilege like Kovel’s had been overruled and the witness had answered, we should not reverse, since “the burden is on the objector to show that the relation” giving rise to the privilege existed. Woodrum v. Price,
A final point requires consideration, namely, the Government’s contention that the question appellant declined to answer was designed to provide the
The judgment is vacated and the cause remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
Notes
. “An attorney or counselor at law shall not disclose, or be allowed to disclose, a communication, made by his client to him, or his advice given thereon, in the course of his professional employment, nor shall any clerk, stenographer or other person employed by such attorney or counselor * * * disclose, or be allowed to disclose, any such communication or advice.”
. N.Y.Civil Practice Act, § 353, is a legislative recognition of this principle. We doubt tbe applicability of tbe New York statute in a Federal grand jury proceeding; plainly, under F.R.Crim.Proc. 26, 18 U.S.C., it would not be applicable in a Federal criminal trial and we cannot believe tbe framers of the Criminal Rules intended state law to apply in the former case when it would not in tbe latter. However, decision of tbe issue is unnecessary, for there is nothing to indicate tbe New York legislature intended to do more than enact the principles of tbe common law.
. To ssuch extent as tile language in Himmelfarb v. United States,
. We do not deal in this opinion with the question under what circumstances, if any, such communications could be deemed privileged on the basis that they were being made to the accountant as the client’s agent for the purpose of subsequent communication by the accountant to the lawyer; communications by the client’s agent to the attorney are privileged, 8 Wigmore, Evidence, § 2317-1. See Lalance & Grosjean Mfg. Co. v. Haberman Mfg. Co.,
. City & County of San Francisco v. Superior Court, etc.,
