*1 America, UNITED STATES
Plaintiff-Appellee, FOSTER, Defendant- Leon Clifford Appellant. No. 89-10405. Appeals, United States Court of Ninth Circuit.
Jan.
Miquel Rodriguez, Assistant United States Sacramento, Attorney, California, for Plain- tiff-Appellee. Levine,
Michael R. Assistant Federal Pub- Defender, Portland, Oregon, lic for Defen- dant-Appellant. HUG, Judge,
Before: Chief BROWNING, FLETCHER, KOZINSKI, THOMPSON, TROTT, FERNANDEZ, T.G. NELSON, KLEINFELD, TASHIMA and THOMAS, Judges. Circuit OPINION KOZINSKI, Judge. Circuit “carry gun”?
What does it mean to
duelling interpreta-
must choose between two
phrase.
tions of the
*2
II
924(c)(1)
“[wjhoever,
provides
Section
and Sandra
manufac-
Leon Foster
Ward
any
police
and in relation to
crime of vio-
methamphetamine.
tured
1989
them,
or
...
pulled
drug trafficking
Foster
while he
lence
crime
got
over
uses
wise
firearm, shall,
truck
carries a
in addition to
driving
pickup
was
and arrested
bed,
punishment
zipped up bag
provided
for such crime of
him.
In his truck
vio-
crime,
tarp, they
drug trafficking
a
lence or
be
snap-down
under a
found loaded
sentenced
imprisonment
years____” (empha-
a
for five
9 mm
bucket.
Inside
semiautomatic
scale, plastic
carrying a
baggies,
sis
Was Leon Foster
bucket were
prices.
he
in his truck
some
notes with
drove with it
hand-written
bed?
word,
“Carry”
English
like a simple
and Ward were convicted of con
seems
Foster
precisely
problem':
which is
New
spiracy manufacture and distribute meth
words
amphetamine
English
truly
“Carry”
in
has
simple.
in violation
21 U.S.C.
two
841(a)(1)
differing
may
It
§§
846. Foster was also con
relevant uses.
mean to
methamphetamine,.
possessing
transport
arrange
something
in
even to
for
victed of
844,
transported:
carry my
§
carrying
piano
to be
“I
violation of 21 U.S.C.
had
way
country.”
may
all the
But it
firearm
relation to
across
crime,
object
moving
in violation of
mean
hold an
trafficking
18 U.S.C.
also
924(c)(1).
place
§
“I
conspiracy
overturned the
one
to another:
carried
unpublished
This
in an
ball and chain wherever I went.”
nar-
conviction
memorandum
vacated,
disposition,
applies particularly
weapons.
rower sense
that decision was
Foster,
983,
If I
say
carrying
v.
513
115
were to
“Don Corleone is
United States
U.S.
(1994),
477,
gun”
light
carry-
L.Ed.2d 391
even
“Don Corleone
S.Ct.
130
—or
ing” you
intervening Supreme
Court case.
re
would understand
Don
On
—
mand,
person.
across the
has a sidearm somewhere on his
A
we affirmed
board. United
Foster,
(9th
synonym
carry
“pack
in this
is to
v.
57 F.3d
729
Cir.
sense
Stales
1995).
pack
heat.”
heat are
Criminals who
obvious-
ly
dangerous
much
than those
more
who do
Supreme Court
thereafter decided
not.
States,
Bailey v.
516
116
United
(1995),
caselaw,
adopted
in-
In our
we first
There are those who
enough
up
have criticized
that neither swallows5
the other.
definition,
definition
then,
narrow
because it seems to exoner- Under
the correct
there
gun readily
ate a
ways
defendant who has
acces- must
be some
use a
but not
it,
passenger
carry
sible within the
compartment
and others to
not
car,
upon
145-47,
moving
actually
but not
at
borne
use it.
Id.
507.
person.
smugly pointed Bailey
These critics have
Court therefore defined “use” narrow-
purporting'
ly
employment.”
out that circuits
to follow the
as “active
there is
Yet
narrow definition
it in nothing special
have had to abandon
about
“use” that makes
uphold
definition,
susceptible
par-
order
convictions in such circum-
to a narrow
while
See, e.g.,
stances.
Cleve- allel
the same
terms
statute are defined
(1st
land,
Cir.),
cert.
broadly;
happens
so
that “use” came
-,
Court,
granted,
“carry.”
118 S.Ct.
not
Construing
before the
(1997)
Willett,
(citing
materia,
L.Ed.2d
90 F.3d at
in pari
the two terms
no
we see
cases).
406-07, among
defining “carry”
other
This criticism is
broadly
basis for
“use”
key aspect
ill-founded. The
narrowly.
narrow is defined
1997),
expression
1.
call” is
lying
top
"Close
another
with dual
where
held that
aof
meanings:
go
way
A decision that can
either
on the couch was not
it.
misfortune,
narrowly avoiding
being
as
such
shot
gun.
missed
at and
someone
might
thought
4.
large,
The car
be
self-
propelled shopping bag
containing
amount,
both the
Variously
2.
defined as a
a device
small
put
and the individual.
quarter.
horse's mouth or
half of
helped
3. A
lack motion
in Unit
defendant
up,
small
5. Eat
birds.
Henson,
ed
The Court also
bullets,
145-47,
Thus, a gun
partially
without
disas-
Id. at
statute.
the broader
sembled,
compartment
in a locked
to which
“use”
used
It examined how
924(d)
key
the driver
not have the
does
would also
argued
§
the term
18 U.S.C.
to be carried
the broad
meaning in
deemed
section
same
should
definition;
924(e)(1).
“use,”
we think
as much naked
“Carry,” unlike
does
possession
situation
itself.
Bailey
.as the
get
so
appear elsewhere
section
definition,
then,
encompasses
The broad
However,- the Court
note
help there.
mere
something
close to the
“use,”
broadly,
too
the term
if defined
Bailey
said was not within
“possess”
synonymous with
become
would
—a
924(c)(1).7
scope
section
Id. at
used elsewhere.
term
143-45,116
reading
A
S.Ct. at 506.
broad
speculate8
purpose
We can also
to what
*4
danger by making
“carry” presents a similar
prohibition
carrying
gun
a
a
on
“transport.”
synonymous with
As with
it
drug
relation
to a violent
crime
“transport,”
“possess,”
used
“trans- might
Using
guns
makes
carrying
serve.9
“transportation”
many places
at
porting” and
dangerous.
those
crimes more
A
deal-
See, e.g., 18
in the
statutes.
U.S.C.
packs
er who
is more likely
heat
to hurt
922(a)(1)(A),
922(a)(1)(B),
922(a)(2),
§§
provoke
someone
to vio-
someone else
922(a)(5), 922(e), 922(f)(1),
922(a)(3), 922(a)(4),
bag
tarp
lence. A
in a
a
in a
922(h),
922(k), 922(n),
922(i), 922Q),
922(g),
substantially
poses
truck bed
less risk.
In-
925(a)(4).
925(a)(1), 925(a)(2),
924(b),
If Con-
deed,
weapon
of carrying
Black’s definition
924(c),
in section
gress
“transport”
meant
“purpose
use,
focuses on the
or ...
say
knew how to
so.
purpose
being
and ready
armed
for offen-
sive
defensive action
case of a conflict
Bailey
Another
lesson
draw from
is
person.”
with another
Black’s Law Dictio-
that,
may
as “use”
not be defined so
nary at 214.
encompass
possession,
broadly as to
mere
may “carry.”
interpreta-
split
Barber
Other
are
The
neither
The
circuits
the issue.
dangerously
doing
close to
Second and
follow
narrow defini-
tion comes
Sixth
Giraldo,
possession
moving
of a
tion.
v.
80 F.3d
prohibiting
See United States
Cir.1996)
667,
(2nd
(“[A]
adopting
person
the broad
676
cannot
vehicle.6 Cases
definition
‘carry’
point
prohibits
out that
be said to
a firearm without at least
vehicle,
possession period.
showing
gun is within
moving
See
that the
reach
offense.”) (cita-
Cleveland,
But
106
at 1068.
it’s not
the commission10 of the
F.3d
omitted);
moving
why possession in a
is
tion
States v. Riascos-Sua-
clear
vehicle
United
22,230
motion,
(remarks
carry
Representative Casey)
a vehicle used
6. A vehicle
22,234
Harsha).
furniture,
(remarks
Representative
strong
evokes
nor
vehicle that
feel-
“carry”
only
pro
ings
empathy.
The
references
concerned
word,
posed
apparent
to delete
amendment
ly
people
police
might affect
because it
such
said,
Bailey's
unlikely
holding
7. That
gun,
then
men
were authorized
who
question
directly
obviously
be-
decides
gun.
using
an assault without
committed
us. One of the cases before the
fore
"Carry”
Representative
Ca
was deleted
Bailey squarely posed
question
of a
car-
924(c)(1),
eventually
sey's
of section
version
car, yet
ried in a
the Court remanded for consid-
version,
included,
Representative
"carry”
Poff's
Bailey,
carry prong.
See
516 U.S.
eration
Ramirez,
passed.
482 F.2d
See United States v.
149-51,
rez,
616,
prohibit.
v.
73
623
See
United
447
F.3d
Bifulco
381,
2247,
387,
2252,
immediately
firearm must be
available for U.S.
65
(1980);
or within his or her L.Ed.2d 205
see also United
use—on the defendant
(9th
reach.”).
First, Fourth,
Latimer,
Cir.1993)
Seventh,
F.2d
(“The
along
lenity
broader test
rule of
rooted in ‘the
Tenth Circuits use a
instinc
Cleveland,
against
languishing
pris
tive
lines of Barber.
106 F.3d at
distaste
men
See
(“[A]
clearly
gun may
they
be ‘carried’ in a vehicle on unless the lawmaker has
said
omitted).
”) (citations
necessarily being immediately
... without
should.’
being
while it
accessible to the defendant
lenity applies only
The rule of
where
Mitchell,
transported.”);
States v.
United
ordinary
a statute has resisted the
tools of
(4th
Cir.1997);
104 F.3d
653-54
United
statutory interpretation. See Hanlester Net
(7th
Molina,
States v.
Shalala,
work v.
F.3d
Cir.1996);
Miller,
Cir.1995) (“Canons
statutory construction,
Cir.1996),
1259-60
overruled on
Lenity,
employed
such as the Rule of
Holland,
grounds,
other
States v.
persists
where ‘reasonable doubt
about
(10th Cir.1997).
F.3d 1353
Other circuits11
scope
a statute’s
even
intended
resort12
after
See,
clearly adopted any
e.g.,
have not
rule.
structure,
language,
to the
legislative
Fike,
history
policies
motivating
of the stat
(5th Cir.1996) (gun under driver’s seat was
”) (citations omitted) (emphasis
ute.’
in origi
*5
carried);
Willis,
89 F.3d
nal).
ordinary
thinkWe
these
tools of inter
Cir.1996)
(gun
passen-
1378-79
pretation point
definition;
narrow
the
carried);
ger compartment was
(for
Foster) they
worst
Mr.
scope
leave the
Farris,
395-96
924(c)(1)
of section
If Congress
doubt.
Cir.1996)
(passenger
may
backseat
put people
wants us to
like Leon Foster in
gun in glove
found to have “carried”
com-
time,
prison
longer
for a
it can re-write the
partment). Recently
Eighth
Circuit said
instructions,
give
law
perhaps
us clearer
“assume,
it
deciding”
would
without
that it
by using
“transport”
the word
in section
ready availability
had a
requirement,
then
924(e)(1) as it does in various other sections
held that a
in well
behind the driver’s
of the firearm statutes.
available,
readily
was
seat
and hence carried.
Nelson,
See United
States v.
holding
We
reaffirm our
Hernan
(8th Cir.1997). Thus,
circuits all over
dez and
that “in
progeny
order
for
map
map
are all
over
the issue.
defendant to be
of ‘carrying’ gun
convicted
924(c)(1),
in violation of section
the defendant
balance,
arguments point
On
must
transported
have
the firearm on or
the narrower definition:
It fits the more
about his or
person----
her
This means the
specific
definition,
dictionary
Bailey
follows
immediately
firearm must have been
avail
closely,
more
harmonizes better with the full
Hernandez,
able for use
the defendant.”
statute,
likely purpose
and flows
predecessor to
We
definition, therefore, clearly
This
includes
transportation
of a
ear
firearm
Although Congress
specifically
never
ad-
track; whether the item carried is within
question
dressed the
whether
the term
reach is irrelevant.
encompass
“carries” was
intended
We followed Barber in
“transports”
“possesses,”
we think that
Streit,
Cir.1992).
Streit,
In
ordinary meaning
of the term em-
charged
defendant
inter alia with
transportation
braces Barber’s
“carrying” a firearm
crime of vio-
weapon.
ordinary usage,
the verb “car-
lence,
924(c).
§
violation
18 U.S.C.
Id.
ry”
transportation or causing
includes
During deliberations,
at 897.
asked
transported.
legislative
Nothing “holding gun
whether
hand
one’s
[would]
history
indicates that
intended
carrying?”
be considered
The trial court
any hypertechnical
reading
or narrow
responded
instruction:
the word “carries.
jury, you
Members of
are advised that
Id. at 1244
‘carrying’
a firearm includes
purposes
related to the
holding embracing
“transporta-
This
commission of a
Carry
crime of violence.
tion test”
as much
then
made
sense
as it does
transport
can
possess.
include
“Carry-
now.
etymologi-
The word
derives
ing”
not be
hyper-
should
construed
cally
Carras,
Latin
from the
word “carras.”
technical or narrow way.
turn,
cart,
recog-
means
vehicle.
Id.
approved
instruction,
at 899. We
car,
nize this
root in
such
Latin
words
citing Barber as our authority.
carriage, and cart.
Third
Webster’s
New
Hernandez,
In United States v.
Dictionary
English
International
(9th Cir.1996), however,
a ease
(3d
not in-
1971)
Language Unabridged 343
ed.
vehicle,
volving a motor
we failed to acknowl-
(‘Webster’s”), upon which in its Second Edi-
Streit,
edge either Barber or
and we did not
tion
Bailey
relied
untidy
confine our
holding either to its facts
States,
143-45,
516 U.S.
or to its nonvehicular
This
context.
over-
(1995)
L.Ed.2d
sight
us to
caused
veer off course
numer-
States,
223, 229,
Smith v. United
508 U.S.
*7
ous subsequent
involving
cases
firearms
2050, 2054,
(1993).
observed majority opinion in this case and use of read the often related Willis, although my gun I “carried” learned that firearms.” United States Cir.1990) “during and in relation (quoting United the car crime,” Ramos, longer “carrying” I was no n. 3 States v. secretly transported Cir.1988)). it to Mine is an outlaw business. “immediately avail- good because it wasn’t faith sale rely don’t covenant And for able.” Thanks for distinction. keep business affairs dealing fair our we know how beat or call the cover. Now We can’t file lawsuit an even keel. 924(c)(1). though § it can be law is Even police things go sour. The U.S.C. *8 jury beyond a us, to of a proved fire- the satisfaction self-help usually use so with to the firearm that I carried game. If I have reasonable doubt power of the name —is hood, it trunk or under to, police. to stick in the I it out with the might even shoot in transported it I and those then Sentencing The Guidelines new meth, fact, as a matter my I to sale rough. In relation mandatory mínimums are beyond I of the statute law am reach anything to have to do with don’t want particular to car, address get my I I stash drafted police, when to so meaning in the pointless “Less has wholly missile warhead. risk" Judge Kozinski makes business, Second, tarp Judge bag on a a a under a but here. statement that in insurance substantially one poses "less than stop segments. truck bed risk world action Kozinski in sees two drug respond I with in a trafficker's hand. thinking that This the kind Risk when? First, another risk” here is "less comments. police believe gives to officers who ammunition po- game. misleading a bottle word Anthrax in ivory in tower. we live substantially than anthrax ses "less risk” 230, problem. thought carrying my I I fire- Id. at at S.Ct. add- available, ed). immediately arm and that it was guess you
Ibut
didn’t.
in
Justice O’Connor held that another flaw
Thanks.
making such a distinction was that it “does
violence not
to the
lan
structure and
expos-
I choose this unorthodox method of
statute,
guage of the
purpose
but to its
as
consequences
Judge
Ko-
untoward
240,
Id.
well.”
at
at 2060. “Lan
S.Ct.
opinion
respectfully
I
zinski’s
because
believe
said,
guage,” she
“... cannot
interpreted
highly
analysis
his
scholastic
suffers from a
apart from context.” Id. at
at
S.Ct.
preoccupation
subtlety and is
divorced
purpose
2054.4 She identified the
of this
drug
from the real
traffickers
street world
arising
Congress’s
statute as
concern
Only
to
Congress sought
person
address.
a
guns
“drugs
dangerous
com
a
[as]
in an
trained
American law school under the
bination”;
pointed
and she
out
in
postulate
Soeratic method could
the formal
percent
“56
of all murders in New York were
an-
but fanciful freeze-frame distinctions that
related,”
drug
figure
and that the same
firearm
imate
conclusion
a
trans-
Washington,
per
high
D.C. was “as
as 80
ported
way
drug
car on
trafficker’s
240, 113
cent.” Id. at
S.Ct. at 2060.
to a sale is not “carried”
him. The courts
supposed
will,
interpret Congressional
are
proposition
Smith stands for the
that there
not contrive sterile artificial lines. The stat-
ways
are different
within this
statute
interpret
ute we
here on its face covers
a gun.
way
“use”
can be to
One
use it as a
“carrying.”
weapon,
it
another is to use
as an
item
seem
to have a short
institutional
Similarly,
barter.
would think that
as
memory.
impressed
nar
Once before we
firearm,
ways
there are different
to use a
statute,
reading
row
on this
Supreme
and the
ways
carry
there
also different
it.
wrong.
Court told us
were
hand,
way
your
One
is in
another is to
v. Phelps,
Cir.
your
it in the trunk of
car.
1989),
trading
exchange
we held that
lenity,
As for the rule of
Justice O’Connor
for narcotics could not
of a
constitute “use”
warned
possibility
that “the mere
of articu-
relation to a
lating
...
narrower construction
does not
The Eleventh
offense.
Circuit
lenity applicable.”
itself make the rule of
Smith,
disagreed with
us United States
Id. at
at
2059. With all re-
(11th Cir.1992),
purposes binding precedent remains on this court.” Willis, immediately to the defen being accessible 89 F.3d at being transported.” dant it is United above, Tenth “In light Circuit: of the our (1st Cleveland, 1056, v. 106 F.3d States cases, pre-Bailey correctly interpreted, hold — Cir.1997), -, granted, cert. U.S. government required prove that the is (1997). 621, 139 L.Ed.2d only transported the that defendant fire- “And, Fourth Circuit: because the arm in a vehicle and that he had actual or placed in the trunk the automobile the constructive of the firearm while journey point the [of sale] to the transfer doing nothing Bailey see so---- We obviously being plain the ‘earned’ pre-Bailey carry- conflicts with our ‘vehicular term, meaning of the firearm does not Miller, ing’ line cases.” United States v. simply to be ‘carried’ is not cease because (10th Cir.1996), 84 F.3d 1259-60 over- readily accessible the offender.” United grounds, ruled on other v. (4th Mitchell, v. States F.3d 653-54 Holland, (10th Cir.1997). F.3d Cir.1997). presented Eleventh Circuit: “The evidence here, “When, the defen Fifth Circuit: by enough support the Far- knowingly possesses dant firearm a mo ris’ gun charge. jury conviction on the during tor uses vehicle and the vehicle originally agents heard Bush told crime, underlying commission of the then as Farris; gun belonged gun present was matter of law the firearm is carried in a car from drugs being which were distrib- drug-trafficking purposes offence for uted; up drug Farris set deal was 924(c).” Muscarello, § States sale; make the and Bush never left ear Cir.1997), grant F.3d cert. which remaining contained the cocaine and —ed, -, 621, 139 L.Ed.2d gun. jury From this the could find that (1997). Toyota drug was as a used distribution question Circuit: Seventh “The before us center and that Farris knew firearm was gun is not where the was located at the time differently, automobile. Put arrest, but rather did the defendant glove could find that the firearm [in gun drug and in relation compartment] [, being by was carried Farris trafficking It does not matter crime. where backseat,] who sitting was in the vehi- arrest,____ gun was at the time Farris, cle.” United need not concern with [W]e ourselves (11th Cir.1996). 395-96 question of whether was within im- debating While we have been this case en likely Not mediate reach. was the banc, granted Court has certio- carried relation to the rari in Cleveland and Muscarello. I am cer- placed crime at the time that was opinions tain our will contribute compartment drugs, with it was also final resolution of this issue. surely carried in relation to the crime when it transported ear the same com- get How did the firearm in the truck? partment drugs possessed that contains the intent to distribute.” United States v. Yet another problem serious exists with Molina, Cir.1996). 931-32 majority’s appeal: they resolution of this
Eighth
Freisinger,
Circuit: “As
said in
restrict
question
the ultimate
in the case to
387,]
[937 F.2d at
“when a motor vehicle is
carrying
whether Foster was
“when he
used, carrying
weapon
takes
aon
less
drove with it in
problem
his truck bed.” The
meaning than carrying
per-
formulation,
restrictive
on the
recog-
this freeze-frame
Molina,
son. The
means
is the vehicle.’
nized
the Seventh Circuit in
Nelson,
1326 that
the loaded
didn’t crawl
itself into
(8th Cir.1997)
fact,
the truck bed of Foster’s ear with the incrim-
“our
prior
Freisinger,
[holding
decision
inating
paraphernalia
than
more
scale,
usage
common
of carries
baggies,
includes
the O’Haus
and the
Bailey,
Molina,
price
a vehicle survives
repeat
] and
list. To
“It does
*11
there.
I remember
gun
the time of
rattlesnakes out
stand-
the
was at
not matter where
pickup
they
arrest,
ing
not concern our-
the
were
...
need
behind
[W]e
the
gun
the
question
searching
They
of whether
me
I
with the
the vehicle.
asked
if.
selves
gun
any weapons
my person,
[T]he
immediate reach----
on
guns
was within
had
or
to the
traffick-
weapons
my person,
carried in relation
knives
I
on
[was]
placed
no,
not,
at
time that it was
in
crime
the
I
responded
that I did
did
drugs....
compartment
the
pistol
the
the
have a
back
the truck.
I
of
that,
drugs—
added).
the
and the
relation between
firearm
(emphasis
informed them of
all,
is,
of
after
the core
the offense-ns
which
examination,
On cross
Foster
reaffirmed
by
relation to each
their
best established
knowing possession
transportation
his
other,
by the
between own-
and not
distance
gun
the
truck.
his
gun
the
at
moment of arrest.”
er and
the
Now,
you
Q.
gun
you
had
were
Molina,
(emphasis
Any lingering
whether
promised in his trial
and focused instead
ter
the firearm or whether he
memorandum on whether
put
his testi-
it in
trunk
answered
relation to”
prove
“during
and in
could
trial:
mony
Thus,
on direct examination
Judge Kozin-
assuming that
element.
in his
definition
my trunk I
ski is correct
new
A.
...
In the back of
had
“plain” on
that an error has become
bag
a 9 millim-
zip-up
little
that had
blue
object requires
mountains,
us
appeal,
failure to
I had
Foster’s
eter
over in
analysis
subject
plain error
this issue to
there’s a lot of
where
ride
because
*12
52(b).
statutory
face
us of
pursuant to Fed.R.Crim.P.
See John
our
to remind
—
States,
U.S. -, -,
authority.
v.
117 limits on our
son United
(1997).
1544, 1546,
In
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