Police arrested Tamica Hollingsworth and James McCotry after police searched *798 their apartment and found marijuana and crack cocaine. A grand jury indicted McCotry for possession with intent to distribute crack cocaine (Counts One and Two) and marijuana (Count Three) in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1). It indicted Hollingsworth for possession of marijuana (Count Four) in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 844(a) and managing or controlling a place and knowingly making the place available for the storage or use of a controlled substance (Count Five) in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 856(a)(2). Hollingsworth and McCotry moved to suppress the evidence uncovered during the search, and the district court granted Hollingsworth’s and denied McCotry’s motion. McCotry went to trial, and a jury convicted him on two counts of possession of crack cocaine, lesser offenses included in Counts One and Two, and possession with intent to distribute marijuana, Count Three. The district court imposed a 188-month sentence on the lesser offenses included in Counts One and Two and a concurrent 120-month sentence on Count Three.
The government appeals the district court’s ruling on Hollingsworth’s motion to suppress, and McCotry appeals his conviction and sentence. For the following reasons, we reverse the district court’s ruling on Hollingsworth’s motion to suppress and affirm McCotry’s conviction and sentence.
I. Background
Between August and December 2005, Hollingsworth’s nine-year-old daughter, T.H., was late for school more than twenty times and was referred to the principal’s office for disciplinary reasons at least six times. The school’s truancy police officer, Steve Denny, attempted to contact Holl-ingsworth on several occasions to discuss T.H.’s excessive absences from school, but his efforts were unsuccessful.
On December 6, 2005, T.H.’s principal, Darlene Westerfield, called T.H. to her office to speak about her behavior and tardiness. Westerfield wanted to include Hollingsworth in the meeting, so she attempted to contact her by telephone, but Hollingsworth did not answer. As a result, Westerfield wrote a note asking Holl-ingsworth to be at school at 10:00 a.m. the following day and instructed T.H. to deliver the note to her mother.
The next day, Hollingsworth did not show up for the meeting as requested, and Westerfield reiterated to T.H. that she needed to speak with her mother. T.H. said that her mother would not answer the telephone if she saw the school’s phone number on the caller ID. Westerfield responded that if she could not reach Holl-ingsworth by telephone, she would have to send Officer Denny for a home visit. T.H. told Westerfield that Officer Denny could not come to her home until her mother and her boyfriend, “Jay,” had a chance to get rid of their “stuff’ and that there were things in the home that her mother did not want anyone to see. T.H. then began to cry and explained that her mother occasionally left her home alone and that it frightened her.
Westerfield told Denny about the meeting with T.H., and he contacted the school social worker, Julie Hoyt, and asked her to speak with T.H. Around the same time, Hollingsworth finally called the school and spoke with Denny. They discussed T.H.’s tardiness, and Denny attempted to schedule a home visit. Hollingsworth refused to allow Denny into her home but agreed to come to school that day. She arrived at 2:00 p.m., and Denny spoke with her about T.H.’s attendance problems. He did not tell her about T.H.’s previous statement to Westerfield about the “stuff,” however, because he considered Hollingsworth a criminal suspect.
*799 Meanwhile, Hoyt spoke with T.H. in another part of the school. 1 T.H. said that the “stuff’ that she previously had mentioned to Westerfield was marijuana and that she saw it in her home every day. She also told Hoyt that her mother and Jay often went on drug runs and either left her home alone or brought her along. T.H. told Hoyt that she had been left alone many times, that her mother and Jay smoked “blunts” in the home, that she had seen marijuana on the kitchen table, and that she saw it on top of her mother’s bedroom dresser the previous night. T.H. did not describe the marijuana except to say that it was green. After a twenty-minute conversation with Hoyt, T.H. returned to her classroom.
At approximately 2:30 p.m., Hoyt told Denny what T.H. said, and Denny, in turn, relayed the information to Drug Task Force Detective Cliff Cole. Cole then contacted the prosecutor’s office about obtaining a warrant to search Hollingsworth’s home. A short time later, Denny testified about his conversations with Westerfield and Hoyt before a Madison Superior Court judge. At the conclusion of the testimony, the judge issued a search warrant for 5825 Apple Creek Way.
Police executed the warrant at 3:25 p.m. that day, and McCotry and Hollingsworth were inside the home. Police found $900 and 7.86 grams of crack cocaine in McCo-try’s pockets as well as fifty grams of crack cocaine, more than a kilogram of marijuana, a firearm, and $9,000 in cash in a dresser drawer in the master bedroom. McCotry’s fingerprints were on a plastic bag containing some of the marijuana, and a number of his personal belongings, including his clothes, shoes, toiletries, and mail, were found throughout the home.
McCotry and Hollingsworth moved to suppress the evidence discovered during the search, and after conducting a hearing, the district court granted Hollingsworth’s motion and denied McCotry’s motion. It concluded that police violated Hollings-worth’s substantive due process rights and that the “police questioning of T.H. by school personnel without her mother’s knowledge, while she was removed from class during school hours all for the sole purpose of incriminating her mother, amount[ed] to the kind of governmental abuse of power that ‘shocks the conscience.’ ” As for McCotry, the district court held that although the officers did not have probable cause to obtain a warrant, the good faith exception to the exclusionary rule prevented the suppression of evidence.
McCotry went to trial, and the district court, over McCotry’s objection, mistakenly allowed the government to introduce a part of McCotry’s suppression hearing testimony in which he admitted that he lived at the 5825 Apple Creek Way residence. The government reminded the jury of the testimony during its closing argument.
At the trial’s conclusion, the district court submitted a verdict form that instructed the jury to make findings on drug quantity if it found McCotry guilty of the charged offenses. On Count One, the district court instructed the jury to determine whether McCotry possessed with intent to distribute at least fifty grams of crack cocaine, and on Count Two, it instructed the jury to determine whether McCotry possessed with intent to distribute at least five grams of crack cocaine. The district court also instructed the jury to determine whether McCotry was guilty of simple pos *800 session of crack cocaine, a lesser offense included in Counts One and Two. Unfortunately, however, the court did not instruct the jury to determine the quantity of drugs that McCotry possessed if it found him guilty of the lesser included offense. The jury ultimately found, on Counts One and Two, that McCotry was not guilty of possession of crack cocaine with intent to distribute, but guilty of simple possession. The jury also found McCotry guilty on Count Three.
At sentencing, the district court recognized that absent a drug quantity finding by the jury McCotry’s maximum sentence should have been ten years, because
Apprendi v. New Jersey,
The government appeals the district court’s ruling on Hollingsworth’s motion to suppress. McCotry appeals the district court’s ruling on his motion to suppress, the admission of his suppression hearing testimony, and his sentence.
II. Analysis
A. Hollingsworth’s Motion to Suppress
The government argues that the district court erred by granting Hollings-worth’s motion to suppress because school officials did not violate her constitutional rights when they interviewed T.H. about her prior statement to Westerfield. Holl-ingsworth responds that Officer Denny violated her right to familial relations by having Hoyt interview T.H. without Holl-ingsworth’s permission and for the sole purpose of pursuing a criminal investigation. We review the district court’s ruling on this issue de novo.
See United States v. Davis,
The district court relied on the dissenting opinions in
United States v. Penn,
The Ninth Circuit heard the case en banc and, in a 5-4 decision, held the evidence admissible. It rejected Penn’s substantive due process argument, noting that “the police may pay informants to give information; very young children may aid criminal investigations; and sons may inform or testify against mothers.” Id. at 880. The court stated that even though all three factors were present at once, there was no due process violation. It also held that the police did not violate Penn’s Fourth Amendment rights. Id. at 883.
Judge Goodwin dissented from the majority’s opinion on the Fourth Amendment issue and stated,
[B]y offering money to the defendant’s five-year-old son, the police intruded in this case on a family relationship that is highly valued. Confidence between parents and their children enhances preservation of the family unit, an interest which the law should promote when it has the opportunity. At least, the law should not unnecessarily make parents and children apprehensive about exchanging information. Nor should the law encourage children to turn against their parents.
Id. at 887. Then-Judge Kennedy also dissented, calling the police practice “both pernicious in itself and dangerous as precedent.” Id. at 888-89.
In this case, the district court ruled that the government violated Hollingsworth’s substantive due process rights because school officials’ treatment of T.H. was more egregious than the treatment of the child in Penn. It emphasized that T.H. was unaware that she was giving information to the police, that Hoyt used T.H.’s state-mandated presence in school to interrogate her, and that the interrogation was premised on one vague statement about T.H.’s mother needing to get “stuff’ out of her home. Finally, the district court observed that Denny made an effort to conceal Hoyt’s interview from T.H.’s mother and that Hoyt’s questioning posed a significant risk of psychological harm.
The Supreme Court has long recognized the constitutional importance of a parent’s right to bring up his or her child as he or she sees fit. See
Troxel v. Granville,
In
Tenenbaum,
after a young child suggested to her teacher that her father had sexually abused her, child abuse investigators removed the child from school for several hours — without a court order or
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permission from her parents — so that a doctor could examine her for possible sexual abuse. The Second Circuit held that this act did not violate the child’s or her parents’ substantive due process rights, rejecting the notion that “brief removals of children from their parents to protect them from abuse are ‘without any reasonable justification in the service of a legitimate governmental objective.’ ”
Tenenbaum,
In this case, the government’s interest in speaking with T.H. was compelling because it had at least some reason to believe that Hollingsworth was engaged in illegal activity.
See United States v. Amerson,
Hollingsworth’s interest in maintaining a relationship with her child free from state interference is also significant, but school officials’ intrusion on that interest was minimal. In fact, we question whether such a
de minimis
intrusion could ever “shock the conscience.”
See Pittsley v. Warish,
It is true that in Doe, we held that child abuse investigators violated substantive due process rights when they interviewed a child at school without his parents’ permission, but in that case, the government’s interest was nonexistent, and the interview was conducted by strangers over the objection of school officials. When a parent sends her child to school, she delegates some of her parenting responsibilities to school officials. Though she does not consent to overzealous investigators interrogating her child over the principal’s objection (as occurred in Doe), she should reasonably expect that school officials will speak with her child if the child raises serious concerns about her home life. In short, the government’s interest in this case was greater, and the intrusion into familial relations lesser, when compared to the corresponding interests in Doe.
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Indeed, we believe that the
case is
more like
Tenenbaum
and
Scoppetta,
where the government had a compelling interest in removing children from their homes that sufficiently outweighed the intrusion on the parent’s interest in familial relations. Those cases involved more demanding interests on both sides of the balance, but the important thing was that the governmental action was not arbitrary in light of valid concerns about child safety. Protecting children from parental abuse may be a more pressing matter than solving drug crimes, but a short interview by school officials is a minimal deprivation that requires little justification when it comes to avoiding a substantive due process violation. Hoyt’s interview was not “without any reasonable justification in the service of a legitimate governmental objective.”
County of Sacramento,
We also believe, contrary to the district court, that the Ninth Circuit’s decision in
Penn
supports this conclusion. Whereas in
Penn
the officer interviewed and bribed a young child hesitant to offer incriminating information about his mother, Hoyt interviewed T.H. — without coercion or bribes — after she volunteered suspicious information to the principal. Officer Denny may have asked social worker Hoyt to conduct the interview so that T.H. would be more forthcoming, but even if that could be considered a form of trickery, it was not as unsettling as the bribe in
Penn.
3
The only district court decisions that have considered this issue also support our approach.
See Grendell v. Gillway,
B. McCotry’s Motion to Suppress
McCotry argues that the district court erred by denying his motion to suppress and applying the good faith exception to the exclusionary rule. This Court reviews de novo a district court’s legal conclusion that a law enforcement officer relied in good faith on a subsequently invalidated search warrant.
See United States v. Koerth,
McCotry relies on the third method of rebutting the presumption of good faith, asserting that Officer Denny’s testimony *804 involved multiple levels of hearsay (he testified about Westerfield’s and Hoyt’s statements about T.H.’s statements) and that T.H.’s statement lacked sufficient indicia of reliability. McCotry’s argument confronts a significant obstacle, however, for we previously have noted that
[w]hen evidence has been obtained pursuant to a subsequently invalidated search warrant ... we will admit the evidence unless: (1) courts have clearly held that a materially similar affidavit previously failed to establish probable cause under facts that were indistinguishable from those presented in the case at hand; or (2) the affidavit is so plainly deficient that any reasonably well-trained officer would have known that his affidavit failed to establish probable cause and that he should not have applied for the warrant.
Koerth,
In Koerth, we said that when the evidence supporting an application for a search warrant consists only of a tip from an informant, the Court must consider a number of facts to determine whether the evidence establishes probable cause: (1) the degree to which police corroborated the informant’s statements; (2) the degree to which the informant’s knowledge of the events was acquired through firsthand observation; (3) the amount of detail included in the informant’s statement; (4) the amount of time between the date of the events and the police officer’s application for the search warrant; and (5) whether the informant appeared before the magistrate who issued the warrant. Id. at 866. In that case, we held that the search warrant affidavit did not establish probable cause because it merely recited an informant’s uncorroborated, conclusory assertion of criminal activity from a named informant of unknown reliability. Id. at 868. Nevertheless, the Court held that the good faith exception applied because even though our case law had held that conclu-sory allegations from a confidential informant were insufficient to establish probable cause, we never had held that the same allegations from a named informant were insufficient. Id. at 870.
In
United States v. Mykytiuk,
In this case, T.H.’s statement about her mother’s illegal drug activity was more detailed than the informant’s statement in
Mykytiuk.
She noted that her mother had marijuana in the home “all the time,”
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that she had seen it on the kitchen table as recently as the night before, and that her mother lived in the home with her boyfriend named “Jay.” Additionally, the source of the statement was more reliable than the informant in
Mykytiuk,
who implicated his codefendant immediately after being arrested.
See Lee v. Illinois,
McCotry makes much of the fact that Officer Denny’s testimony before the magistrate was based on double hearsay, but we have repeatedly stated that a search warrant need not be based on firsthand observations.
See United States v. Lloyd,
C. Admission of Suppression Hearing Testimony
McCotry next argues that we should reverse his conviction because the district court allowed the government to read portions of his testimony at the suppression hearing, even though he exercised his Fifth Amendment right not to testify at trial. The government concedes that the district court erred by allowing the testimony. In
Simmons v. United States,
McCotr/s testimony at the suppression hearing supported the government’s argument that McCotry lived at the 5825 Apple Creek Way apartment, which in turn, supported the government’s argument that McCotry possessed the drugs that were found there. However, the government already had ample evidence that McCotry possessed the drugs and that he lived in the home. The crack cocaine associated with Count One was found in McCo-try’s pocket, and the packaging that held
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the marijuana for Count Three had his fingerprints on them. Moreover, the crack cocaine associated with Count Two (the same drug found in his pocket) was stored together with the marijuana in the bedroom that McCotry occupied. Though McCotry disputes that he lived at the Apple Creek address, Hollingsworth’s mother testified to the contrary, and police found a number of McCotry’s personal belongings in the home, including his clothing, shoes, toiletries, and mail. Additionally, one of the closets in the bedroom contained only McCotry’s possessions. In sum, the government’s recitation of suppression hearing testimony — though a violation of a constitutional right — was duplicative, and its admission was harmless error.
See United States v. Folks,
D. Apprendi Error
Finally, McCotry argues that the district court erred by increasing his maximum sentence based on facts not proved to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. The government concedes that McCotry’s sentence violated
Apprendi
but contends that the error was harmless.
See United States v. Adkins,
In this case, there is no doubt that the jury would have held McCotry responsible for at least five grams of crack cocaine — the amount necessary to support his 188-month sentence — had it properly been instructed. The district court informed the jury that Count One related to the crack cocaine “allegedly found in the bedroom of the apartment” and that Count Two related to the crack cocaine “allegedly found on ... MeCotry’s person.” Police testified that they found two bags containing twenty-six and twenty-four grams of crack cocaine in the bedroom and more than seven grams of crack cocaine on McCotry’s person. McCotry offered no evidence or argument that the police incorrectly weighed the drugs, arguing instead that Hollingsworth, not he, possessed them. The jury rejected this argument by finding McCotry guilty of simple possession on both Counts One and Two. It is highly unlikely that a jury would have concluded — without support from the evidence or arguments — that McCotry possessed only a portion of the seven grams of crack cocaine found in his pocket or less than five of the fifty grams found in his bedroom. Accordingly, the Apprendi error was harmless.
III. Conclusion
For the foregoing reasons, the Court Reverses the district court’s ruling on Hollingsworth’s motion to suppress and Affirms McCotry’s conviction and sentence.
Notes
. The district court found that the sole reason Hoyt interviewed T.H. was to pursue a criminal investigation against her mother.
. On Counts One and Two, McCotry was sentenced under 21 U.S.C. § 844(a), which states, "[A] person convicted under this subsection for the possession of a mixture or substance which contains cocaine base shall be imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 20 years, and fined a minimum of $1,000, if the conviction is a first conviction under this subsection and the amount of the mixture or substance exceeds 5 grams.”
. To the extent that T.H. suffered psychological harm because of this ordeal, it cannot be attributed to Hoyt's interview, which, by itself, caused very little trauma. Instead, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of her mother, who risked her relationship with her nine-year-old daughter by dealing drugs.
. McCotry also argues that the Indiana Supreme Court’s decision in
State v. Spillers,
