Gеorge Andrew Scalf (Scalf) appeals his jury convictions on the charges of assault *1273 with a deadly weapon, 18 U.S.C.A. § 113(c), and conveying a weapon from place to place within a federal penitentiary, 18 U.S.C.A. § 1792. A summary of the undisputed facts will faсilitate our review.
On August 28, 1982, Sealf, along with a number of other inmates, including Jerome Spence (Spence) were housed in Cell House B, a disciplinary segregation unit of the Federal Correctional Institution, El Reno, Oklahoma. Spence had been plаced in segregation the day before and Sealf had been in the unit for approximately one month. Sealf was serving as the unit’s “range cleaner” and was responsible for picking up eating trays and mopping the floors. As a range cleaner, Sealf had more freedom than the other inmates in segregation; his cell was unlocked most of the time.
At approximately 10:00 a.m., while Sealf was outside his cell, Officer Roberts opened the segregation cells, releasing Spence and several other inmates for their recreation period. Spence exited his cell and walked toward the recreation area, when Sealf attacked him with two handmade “knives.” Although Spence attempted to run away, Sealf chased Spence and stabbed him “5 or 6” times. Officer Roberts observed part of this incident and commanded Sealf to “hold it.” Sealf then returned to his cell. The “knives” used by Sealf were “little round spikes” approximately ten to twelve inches long. Sealf had made them the night befоre by tearing a piece of metal off a mop bucket, breaking the metal into several pieces, and then sharpening the ends of the metal on the cement floor of his cell.
Immediately after the incident, Officer Roberts locked all the inmates in their cells. Officer Sanchez, a security officer, joined Officer Roberts, and after being told that Sealf had stabbed Spence, Officer Sanchez went to Scalf’s cell. From outside the cell, Officer Sanchez asked Sealf “what was going on, what the problem was.” Officer Sanchez testified that Sealf said he did not want to have any problem with the officers and that he did “not like that nigger [Spence].” Sealf told Officer Sanchez that he had thrown the two knives out a window. However, the knives were found in Sсalf’s commode after the officers searched his cell twice.
At trial, the government developed the attack in detail through the testimony of Spence, several officers including Roberts and Sanchez, and FBI Agent Cincotta who investigated the inсident. Officer Sanchez was allowed to testify, over Scalf’s Miranda -based objection, relative to his brief conversation with Sealf shortly after the attack.
Scalf’s defense, developed by his own testimony and that of several other inmates, was self-defеnse. Sealf testified about certain facts to establish self-defense: Spence had made homosexual advances toward him; he was afraid of Spence; and he attacked Spence because he felt Spence would get him if hе did not attack Spence. Sealf admitted that he chased Spence and stabbed him five or six times and that Spence made no moves toward him at the time he stabbed him. Sealf also acknowledged that at no time did he relate his fear of Spence to the penitentiary officials or seek their help; Spence had never touched him; and he knew he was not permitted to have the knives.
Agent Cincotta testified on rebuttal for the government. He stated that he had observed Spence’s puncture wounds and that they were consistent “with being stabbed from the back from behind”. In addition, he testified that during the time he was investigating the incident there were no indications that any homosexual advances were made.
The district court refused to give Scalf’s proffered self-defense jury instruction, which read in part: “A person is justified in the use of force when he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself against the imminent use of unlawful force.” The court’s self-defense instruction, as given, read in part: “Even though a person may be justified in using force in self-defense, he is not entitled to use any greater force than he had reasonable ground to believe and actually did believe to be necessary under the circumstanc *1274 es to save his life or avert serious bodily harm.”
On apрeal Scalf contends: (1) the admission of his statement to Officer Sanchez, obtained without the procedural safeguards of
Miranda v. Arizona,
I.
Scalf contends the district court erred in admitting the statement he made to Officer Sanchez shortly after the stabbing because the statement was obtained without the procedural safeguards of Miranda v. Arizona, supra, and violated his privilege against self-incrimination.
As set forth, supra, Officer Sanchez spoke briefly with Scalf shortly after thе stabbing. After testifying that his function at the penitentiary was security and that he did not undertake investigations or interrogations, Officer Sanchez testified relative to his conversation with Scalf:
Q. What statement did you make to him?
A. I asked him what was going on, what the problem was.
Q. Did he respond to you?
A. Yes, he did.
Q. What was his response?
A. He responded by saying, “I don’t want to have any problems with you guys,” meaning the оfficers.
Q. Okay. Did he make any response after that?
A. He indicated that he did not like that nigger.
Q. Okay. Did you ask him any other question?
A. Yes.
Q. What other question did you ask him?
A. I asked him what he did with the knife.
Q. What did he indicate to you?
A. He told me that he threw them out • the window.
Q. Did he indicate to you how many knives he had?
A. Yes, he did.
Q. How many?
A. Two.
Q. What was your concern when you went down to Inmate Scalf’s cell?
A. I didn’t know what had happened. I didn’t know whether he was injured, or whether any other inmates were injured, just to find out what was going on with him.
Q. So, you were not conducting an investigation?
A. No.
Q. Were you also trying to find the weapons?
A. Yes.
Q. Since part of your duty is security at the institution?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. At the time you talked to Inmate Scalf, was he in custody or under arrest for this incident?
A. No, he was the same as any other inmate, just locked in the cell.
Q. If he had been in custody or under arrest for the incident, what procedure would have been followed?
A. He would have been taken out of his cell, strip searched, and moved down to the first floor, which is in the holding cell where we move them after something like that.
[R., Vol. III at pp. 74-75].
On cross-examination Scalf testified:
Q. When Mr. Sanchez — Officer Sanchez came down to talk to you after the incident, didn’t you tell him, in your words, you didn’t like that nigger?
A. No, I didn’t.
Q. You didn’t say that?
A. No, I didn’t.
Q. What did you say to him?
A. I did tell him I had two knives, and I did tell him I threw the two knives out the window, but I did tell him that I *1275 didn’t want no problems, but at that time I didn’t like niggers.
Q. Well, haven’t you since that time even told him that more times since the incident occurred? Haven’t you told him that you don’t like Black people?
A. Yes, I have told him that.
[R., Vol. III at pp. 104-105].
In ruling that the conversation was admissible, the district court, relying upon
Cervantes v. Walker,
It is undisрuted that he was asked, “What’s the trouble?” or, “What’s going on?” By a correctional officer who is not an investigator. It is undisputed that that correctional officer asked the question while in the hallway, through the bars, to the defendant who was in his cell. It was not part of an investigation or even an administrative inquiry, such as is the procedure and custom in the institution.
It is undisputed that the defendant had been the subject of and exposed to investigative procedures in the past at that institution, and can be presumed to hаve known the difference between this circumstance and any official inquiry or more coercive or specific investigation of a problem involving him or others.
Accordingly, it is my judgment that under all of these facts and circumstances the Miranda warning was not required, and that the statement of the defendant is admissible in this trial absent the Miranda warning.
[R., Vol. III at pp. 80-81].
We hold that the district court did not err in ruling that the conversation was admissible and that the Miranda warnings were not required. We agree with the district court’s reliance on Cervantes v. Walker, supra.
In Cervantes v. Walker, the court held that a conversation between a guard and an inmate, arising during a routine search in which marijuana was discovered, was admissible absent Miranda warnings:
In response to Cervantes’ recent involvement in a fight with another inmate, Sheriff’s Deputy Jopes moved Cervantеs from one jail cell to another. Jopes directed Cervantes to get his belongings and then took him to the jail library so the shift commander, Sergeant Ingle, could talk with him before the move. Cervantes left his belongings on a table outside the library door and еntered the library. Jopes then searched the belongings in accordance with standard jail procedure when moving inmates. He found a small matchbox containing a green odorless substance.
The deputy testified that he suspected the substancе was marijuana. He did not definitely know, however, as he had no specific training in identifying marijuana. Jopes took the matchbox and contents into the library in order to have Cervantes identify the substance. The library dimensions were about six feet by four feet. In the presence of Ingle, and at a distance of about one and one-half feet to two feet from Cervantes, Jopes opened the matchbox, showed the contents to Cervantes and asked, “What’s this?” Cervantes replied, “That’s grass, man.” Jopes then placed Cervantes under arrest. The matchbox contained a usable quantity of marijuana.
589 F.2d at pp. 426-27.
The court then concluded as follows:
We agree that Jopes’ questioning was not an instance of custodial interrogation. The marijuana was uncovered in the course of a rоutine search. Jopes’ question sought to ascertain the nature of the substance. The questioning took place in the prison library and appears to have been a spontaneous reaction to the discovery. Under these circumstаnces, we also conclude that neither the prison setting nor the presence of Jopes and Ingle exerted a pressure to detain sufficient to have caused a reasonable person to believe his freedom of movement hаd been further diminished. Rather, this was an instance of on-the-scene questioning en *1276 abling Jopes to determine whether a crime was in progress ....
Id. at p. 429
Officer Sanchez’ conversation with Scalf was, as in
Cervantes v. Walker,
nothing more than an “on-the-scene” inquiry to find out what had happened, to determine who had been injured, and to find the weapons used in the attack in conjunction with his security responsibilities at the penitentiary. Officer Sanchez’ conversation with Scalf was not an interrogation under
Miranda
or subsequent opinions construing it. In
Rhode Island v. Innis,
The starting point for defining “interrogation” in this context is, of course, the Court’s Miranda opinion. Thеre the Court observed that “[b]y custodial interrogation, we mean questioning initiated by law enforcement officers after a person has been taken into custody or otherwise deprived of his freedom of action in any significant way." Id. [384 U.S.], at 444 [86 S.Ct. at 1612 ] (emphasis added). This passage and other references throughout the opinion to “questioning” might suggest that the Miranda rules were to apply only to those police interrogation practices that involve express questioning of a defendant while in custody.
We do not, however, construe the Miranda opinion so narrowly. The concern of the Court in Miranda was that the “interrogаtion environment” created by the interplay of interrogation and custody would “subjugate the individual to the will of his examiner” and thereby undermine the privilege against compulsory self-incrimination. Id., at 457-458 [86 S.Ct., at 1618-1619 ] . . . .
Officer Sanchez’ conversation with Scalf did not give rise to an “intеrrogation” under
Miranda
or its progeny. “General on-the-scene questioning as to facts surrounding a crime or other general questioning of citizens in the fact-finding process is not affected by our holding.”
Miranda, supra
at p. 477,
II.
Scalf contends that the district court erroneously instructed- the jury that a person could use force in self-defense to save his life or avert serious bodily harm. Scalf argues that the right to use nonlethal force in self-defense is justified when a person reasonably apprehends imminent danger of bodily harm. Scalf predicates his argument regarding nonlethal force on the proposition that “In the present case, the ‘victim’ is alive; thus, self-defense by lethal force was not involved.” We reject Sсalf’s tortured logic that because Spence survived the stabbings, self-defense by lethal force was not involved.
We hold that the district court properly instructed on self-defense. The court’s instruction on self-defense was proper and most adequate particularly when, as here, Scalf was the aggressor; Scalf admitted chasing after Spence and stabbing him five or six times; Scalf acknowledged that Spence made no moves toward him at the time he stabbed Spence; and Scalf acknowledged that Spence had never touched him.
AFFIRMED.