This is an appeal involving the denial of a suppression motion. After defendant/appellant Willie Earl Flowers’ suppression motion was denied, Flowers entered a conditional plea of guilty to a charge of possession of a firearm after a former felony conviction. A sentencing issue is raised as to whether the district court correctly concluded that he was in the category of armed career criminals, subject to a mandatory minimum sentence of fifteen years.
I
BACKGROUND
The information that led to Flowers’ arrest came from a person questioned by Officers White and Bella of the Tulsa Police Department following a traffic stop on November 4, 2001, at approximately 1:55 a.m. I App. (Doc. 11: Order denying motion to suppress at 1). The driver told the officer that liquor was being sold illegally at a north side Tulsa residence. The driver further said that almost anything, including drugs, cigarettes, and prostitutes, could be bought at the house, and that the person selling liquor had a pistol. The driver said that this “juice joint” was then open for business. III App. 22-23 (04/10/02 hearing transcript). The police were aware that the location had been a juice joint two years before when a homicide occurred there. Ill App. 18-19, 22 (04/10/02 hearing transcript). The govern *1224 ment made no allegation that the defendant had any connection with that homicide whatsoever. Ill App. 19.
Officers White and Bella approached the house and knocked on the door after two other officers they had called in as back up had positioned themselves at the back of the house. I App (Doc 11: Order denying motion to suppress at 2), III App. 42 (04/10/02 hearing transcript). Flowers responded to the knock by asking, from behind the closed door, “what do you want?” I App (Doc 11 at 2). One of the officers answered “T Bird,” a slang term for Thunderbird, a brand of cheap wine. Id. After Flowers indicated that he didn’t have any of that, or of the second wine requested, the officer asked what he did have. Id. Flowers replied, “I got some Rose,” which was understood to refer to Wild Irish Rose, another brand of cheap wine. Officer White said, “That’ll work.” Id.
At this point, a panel adjacent to the front door opened, and defendant’s hand emerged from a hole in the wall, with a bottle of Wild Irish Rose wine. I App (Doc 11 at 2). Flowers said that it would cost three dollars. An officer then said, in a firm tone of voice, “Tulsa Police Department, open the door.” Flowers said, “Hold on a minute.” The officers then heard a loud “thud” from right behind the door. It sounded like a hard object, which they believe could have been a gun, falling to the floor. Id.
Flowers opened the door after approximately 15 to 25 seconds. I App. (Doc 11 at 2). The officers identified themselves and went inside to take defendant into custody. Ill App. 30, 32. One of the officers asked Flowers if he had any weapons and Flowers said there was a shotgun behind the bedroom door. Officer Bella saw a .25 caliber semi-automatic pistol in plain view near the front door and found sixty-seven bottles of various types of liquor. Flowers denied ownership of the pistol. He also admitted to the officers that he had formerly been convicted of a felony. I App. (Doc 11 at 2). The officers arrested defendant for the illegal sale of alcohol between the hours of 2:00 a.m. and 7:00 a.m., a misdemeanor under Oklahoma law. I App (Doc. 11 at 3 (citing Okla. Stat. tit. 37, § 213 (2000))).
Flowers was charged on February 8, 2002, in a one-count federal indictment with possession of firearms and ammunition, which possession was in and affecting interstate commerce, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g)(1) and 924(e). I App. (Doc 1: Indictment at 2). After his initial appearance, Flowers filed a motion to suppress evidence from the seizure, arrest, and entry of Flowers’ home. I App. (Doc 8: Defendant’s Motion to Suppress at 1). The district judge denied the motion to suppress. I App. (Doc. 11: Order). Flowers entered a conditional plea of guilty on June 12, 2002, reserving the right to appeal the district court’s ruling overruling his motion to suppress evidence. I App. (Doc. 27: Petition to enter plea of guilty and order entering plea at 2, 3).
II
THE DISTRICT COURT’S RULINGS ON THE SUPPRESSION MOTION
A. The order denying Flowers’ motion to suppress
The district judge issued two orders on the suppression motion — an initial order denying the motion to suppress and an order denying a motion to reconsider the initial order. In the first order, the district judge concluded that defendant did not have an expectation of privacy in his home that society would recognize as reasonable because of his use of the home for business purposes and because he extended his hand and a portion of his arm and projected his voice outside the walls. I *1225 App. (Doc. 11 at 5-6). He “knowingly exposed too much of himself to the public” to claim a violation of the Fourth Amendment, she concluded. Id. at 6.
The judge distinguished
Payton v. New York,
B. Order denying Flowers’ motion for reconsideration of the motion to suppress
The district judge modified her views in the second order. She discussed probable cause at some length and analyzed the statutes potentially violated by defendant’s attempted sale. I App. (Doc. 22 at 2-5). She said that Lewis was not applicable to this fact pattern. Id. at 5-6. Turning to defendant’s argument based on Payton, she said that even though the language there seemed to create a bright line rule regarding entry of the home, the Tenth Circuit’s opinion in McKinnon showed that this court “has not construed Payton as standing for this ‘bright-line rule.’” I App. (Doc. 22 at 7). She said that, like the defendant in McKinnon, Flowers was in a place “sufficiently public” that he had no legitimate expectation of privacy. I App. (Doc. 22 at 7 n.2).
Significantly, neither the original order denying suppression nor the order denying reconsideration made findings on whether exigent circumstances existed to support the officers’ conduct or addressed specifically the question of exigent circumstances.
Ill
DISCUSSION
A. Flowers’ Warrantless Arrest
The ultimate determination of the reasonableness of a warrantless search or seizure under the Fourth Amendment is a determination of law reviewed
de novo. United States v. Gutierrez-Hermosillo,
As we explain below, we agree with Flowers’ assertion that his arrest within his home was a violation of his Fourth Amendment rights. The Fourth Amendment provides that “[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” We are not persuaded by the government’s arguments attempting to avoid the clear language of the amendment and the protection it plainly affords.
*1226 1. The Application of Payton and Kirk
In
Payton,
The Supreme Court recently reiterated the teachings of
Payton
in
Kirk v. Louisiana,
In considering the significance of
Payton
and
Kirk,
it should be noted that the instant case differs from the consolidated cases decided in
Payton
in that in both of those cases the Court was dealing with entries into homes made without the consent of any occupant. In the instant case it is true that after the initial colloquy about the purchase of wine, an officer said: “Tulsa Police Department, open the door.” Flowers then opened the door to his abode.
1
However, this difference is not dispositive because the facts of the present case are similar to the situation in
Kirk
where the officers knocked .on an apartment door and then arrested the defendant.
*1227
Applying
Payton
and
Kirk
to the facts of the instant case, we hold that unless there were exigent circumstances, the Tulsa Police Department’s arrest of Flowers and the subsequent search of Flowers’ home violated the Fourth Amendment. The record shows that at the time of Flowers’ arrest, and from the time that night at which the police officers first came to Flowers, Flowers was inside his home. Although Flowers put his arm and hand outside his house by extending them through the panel opening, the rest of his body did not cross his threshold.
3
We believe that Flowers did not lose “the constitutional protection afforded to the individual’s interest in the privacy of his own home,”
Payton,
Although the district judge ruled that the police officers had probable cause to arrest Flowers, she did not make subsidiary findings as to whether exigent circumstances were present, nor an ultimate finding in terms of exigent circumstances. Because the district judge did not make a determination on this issue, we do not decide that critical question. As
Payton
and
Kirk
make plain, “police officers need either a warrant or probable cause
plus exigent circumstances
in order to make a lawful entry into a home.”
Kirk,
The district judge held, agreeing with the government, that the police officers’ arrest of Flowers and search of his home did not violate Flowers’ Fourth Amendment rights under the Supreme Court’s opinion in
United States v. Santana,
In
Santana,
police officers arrested a woman inside her home after setting the arrest in motion at the threshold of her home.
In
McKinnon,
this court held that the warrantless arrest of McKinnon as he stood in the threshold of the doorway to his residence was valid and the police could thereafter lawfully accompany defendant into his residence while he dressed. This court held that “the district court did not err in holding that the arrest at the doorway was not invalid.”
McKinnon,
In contrast, here the suspect was not visible to the public and his doorway was not open to public view. Rather only Flowers’ hand and arm were visible and he used a hole in the wall so that he would not have to open his door and neither he nor the interior of his house would be open to public view. Unlike the situations in
Santana
and
McKinnon,
Flowers was not as exposed to public view, speech, hearing, and touch as if he had been standing completely outside his house.
Santana,
This court’s opinion in
United States v. Davis,
In
Davis,
we carefully considered the several contentions of the government. The government argued that there is a general assumption that domestic calls are always dangerous. We rejected this contention and held that an officer’s warrant-less entry into a home is not exempt from the requirement of demonstrating exigent circumstances.
Here the district judge’s reasoning in her initial order was that “Flowers knowingly exposed too much of himself to the public to claim that the officers’ warrant-less entry for the limited purpose of effectuating his arrest violated the Fourth Amendment.” I App. (Doc. 11 at 6). The judge reiterated this reasoning in her second order. I App. (Doc 22 at 7). It was upon this conduct of Flowers, without any discussion of exigent circumstances, that suppression was denied. We cannot agree with the judge’s rejection of Fourth Amendment protection on such a basis. The mandate of
Payton
and
Kirk
is too clear: As noted earlier,
Payton
held that “the Fourth Amendment has drawn a firm line at the entrance to the house.
Absent exigent circumstances, that threshold may not reasonably be crossed without a warrant.”
2. Exigent Circumstances
i. The exigent circumstances issue as raised below
Both the government and Flowers addressed the issue of exigent circumstances at the suppression hearing and the hearing on the motion to reconsider. The government argued that exigent circumstances existed. During the direct examination of Officer White, one of the arresting officers, the government asked whether White or his partner had any concerns for their safety when they heard a thud in the seconds between White’s command that Flowers open the front door and when Flowers opened the door. Ill App. at 35. White answered in the affirmative because “we had previous information that there’s possibly a gun within the residence. As with any call, we’re extremely concerned about our ... safety.” Id. White also mentioned that he had been concerned about a homicide that had occurred at the same house two years before. Id. Thus, the government suggested by these arguments that exigent circumstances did exist.
On the other hand, Flowers, by his cross-examination of Officer White, developed several arguments that exigent circumstances did not exist. First, Flowers questioned the reliability of the informants who told White about the juice joint. Ill App. 41. White admitted that he had never met the informants before the night in question. Id. at 41-42. Additionally, the driver of the car, who provided the most information, may have been “driving under suspension” and the passenger had “three outstanding city misdemeanor warrants,” but White did not arrest either occupant of the car. (White adds that the passenger was eight or nine months pregnant). Ill App.. 47. Second, Flowers established that the police had Flowers’ house surrounded, with White and Bella at the front door and two other officers at the rear, when police contact with Flowers began. Ill App. 42. Third, White conceded that he went to Flowers’ house to investigate a violation of the Oklahoma law prohibiting the sale of alcohol between 2 a.m. and 7 a.m., Ill App. 43, 45, pointing toward a minor offense and a lack of exigent circumstances. Following the cross-examination of White, Flowers showed that the Oklahoma law carries a $500 fine and up to six months of imprisonment, and thus was not a serious offense. Ill App. 49. Finally, White admitted that he did not see Flowers with a firearm before he entered Flowers’ house. Ill App. 43. Thus, Flowers made a number of arguments that exigent circumstances did not exist.
*1230 ii. Exigent circumstances as addressed on appeal
On appeal, both parties make arguments similar to the ones they offered below. Flowers argues that no exigent circumstances existed to legitimize a warrantless entry into his home. Principal Brief of Defendant-Appellant at 12. Under
Welsh v. Wisconsin,
Flowers points out that the Oklahoma state offense he was arrested for, selling alcoholic beverages without a license, is a minor offense. Principal Brief of Defendant-Appellant at 10-12. The plain language of Okla. Stat. tit. 37, § 538(C) (2002) states that a violation of the Oklahoma Alcoholic Beverage Control Act is a
misdemeanor
which carries a fíne of not more than $2,500 and imprisonment for no more than six months (emphasis added). Flowers further states that “the statute identified by the district court which delineates specific criminal acts forbids selling, not attempted selling,” Principal Brief of Defendant-Appellant at 10 (citing Okla. Stat. tit. 37, § 505 (1999)), and under Oklahoma law “an attempt to commit a crime punishable by imprisonment and fine is punishable by up to one-half the imprisonment and fine applicable to commission of the offense.” Principal Brief of Defendant-Appellant at 10 (citing Okla. Stat. tit. 21, § 42.4 (2001)). Thus, punishment applicable to the offense committed by Flowers, according to Flowers, “was a fine of up to $1,250 and imprisonment for no more than three months.” Principal Brief of Defendant-Appellant at 11. Flowers notes that this court in
Howard v. Dickerson,
Finally, Flowers argues in the alternative that if any exigent circumstances existed, they were attributable to the police officers’ own actions and cannot be relied on as establishing exigent circumstances. Principal Brief of Defendant-Appellant at 12. The police are not free to create exigencies to justify warrantless intrusions.
United States v. Morgan,
*1231
The government counters that exigent circumstances existed. It admits that under
Welsh
and
Howard,
the fact that a misdemeanor offense is involved has an effect in the determination of exigency and does not dispute that such violations are misdemeanors. Appellee’s Brief at 22-25. In Flowers’ case the government says there were unique, additional factors establishing exigency. Appellee’s Brief at 25. The officers had been told that liquor, cigarettes, and drugs were being sold from Flowers’ house and that Flowers possessed a firearm.
Id.
at 26. The information the officers had been told was corroborated, the government asserts, after the officers approached Flowers’ house and verified that liquor was being sold illegally.
Id.
Subsequently, the officers had reasonable cause to believe Flowers had a firearm and that he knew police officers have verified the illegal sale of liquor. According to the government, this created a set of exigent circumstances for the safety of the officers and the public as well as the potential for destruction of evidence.
Id. See also Warden v. Hayden,
Despite the fact that both sides addressed the question of exigent circumstances below, the orders denying suppression and reconsideration of that denial did not make subsidiary findings or an ultimate determination on exigent circumstances. ■ In light of these circumstances, we do not feel we should make an exigent circumstances determination. The findings and conclusion therefrom on that issue should be made first by the district judge after any further proceedings that she feels are desirable on remand.
B. Flowers’ Sentencing
Flowers also argues that his prior conviction for escape was not a violent offense for the purposes of the Armed Career Criminal Act as found below. See Principal Brief of Defendant-Appellant at 14. However because we are vacating the district court’s orders and remanding for further proceedings we feel it is inappropriate to address the issue of Flowers’ sentencing status at this time.
IV
CONCLUSION
Flowers’ arrest and the subsequent search of his home were therefore invalid. We accordingly VACATE the judgment of the district court and the orders denying the motion to suppress and the motion to reconsider that order and REMAND for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.
Notes
. In the case of
Payton,
the officers used crowbars to break open the door and enter the apartment.
Payton,
. An arrest or seizure occurs "when the officer, by means of physical force or show of authority, has in some way restrained the liberty of a citizen....”
Terry v. Ohio,
Turning to the present case, a reasonable person confronted by police officers outside his door at night and a command by one of the officers to allow them to enter, would have believed that he had to open the door of his home and submit to the show of authority. Accordingly, we hold that Flowers' decision to open his door was not voluntary and he was arrested while in his home.
. It should also be noted that White stated that when Flowers opened the door he "was standing in the living room area, which (sic) that’s what the door opens into,” and soon after this Flowers was arrested. Ill App. 32, 34 (04/10/02 hearing transcript) (emphasis added). Thus, Flowers was clearly inside his home when he was arrested.
. The district court made an important finding of fact in Flower's case: "While standing inside his house with the front door closed, Flowers opened an exterior panel adjacent to the door and attempted to illegally sell alcohol to an officer by reaching outside through an opening in the wall.” Order at 6 (emphasis added).
. Although Flowers does not mention this point in his brief, it should be noted that the Court pointed out that it has recognized only a few such emergency conditions and has applied only the “hot pursuit” doctrine to arrests in the home.
Welsh,
