Pеnn appeals from the judgment of the district court revoking his probation. His appeal raises two issues: whether the introduction of hearsay evidence during the revocation proceeding infringed on his constitutional right to confront and cross-examine witnesses, and, assuming the hearsay was admissible, whether the trial court abused its discretion in revoking probation. We find no error in admission of the hearsay and affirm the revocation order.
I. FACTS
In 1978 Penn pleaded guilty to theft of a check from the United States mails. He was placed on probation for five years on the usual general conditions; special conditions were that he should make restitution of the amount of the check, that he should be regularly employed during probation, and that he was not to be involved with firearms.
*763 A jury found Penn guilty in 1980 of illegal possession of four Valium tablets, and the conditions of his probation were modified accordingly: he was required to submit to urine drop testing as directed by his probation officer. In 1981, on petition of Penn’s probation officer, Busby, Penn’s probation conditions were modified again to include requirements that he participate in both a residential community treatment program and a drug aftercare treatment program.
Busby filed for revocation of Penn’s probation in 1982, alleging as violations of the conditions of probation that he had been in a state of public intoxication in violation of the city code of Birmingham, that he had violated the drug aftercare conditions by having within his body on several occasions Talwin (a cоntrolled substance) or THC (the active ingredient in marijuana), and that he had been in possession of a stolen and forged check for $290 drawn on the account of Cameron Furniture Co.
Penn waived his right to a preliminary hearing, and at the revocation proceeding evidence centered on the drug and stolen check allegations.
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Busby gave the only testimony regarding the drug charge. He said that he had received a urine sample from Penn during July 1981 and had requested that the sample be tested for evidence of drugs. When the government sought to elicit from Busby the results of the urine test, Penn’s counsel objected, based on
U.S. v. Caldera,
Penn’s only witness gave testimony that went to the appropriateness of revocation as a sanction rather than to the specifics of either оf the two offenses.
II. ADMISSIBILITY OF HEARSAY
We must decide whether
U.S. v. Caldera,
Caldera is a one-paragraph per curiam opinion. The stated facts, although sketchy, indicate that at Caldera’s probation revocation hearing а police officer was permitted to testify as to the results of a field test and a laboratory test, both of which proved positive for cocaine. The police officer had not participated in the preparation or analysis of the tests. The court remanded for another еvidentiary hearing that would comport more fully with Caldera’s right to confront and cross-examine witnesses against him. Id. The only authority cited in Caldera was U.S. v. Cain, 615 F.2d *764 380 (5th Cir.1980), which involved a criminal trial, not a probation revocation proceeding. 2
It was only after the revocation proceeding at issue in Caldera had been held that Fed.R.Crim.P. 32.1 was adopted. This rule provides that at a revocation hearing, a probationеr has certain procedural rights, which include
(A) written notice of the alleged violation of probation;
(B) disclosure of the evidence against him;
(C) an opportunity to appear and to present evidence in his own behalf;
(D) the opportunity to question witnesses against him; and
(E) notice of his right to be represented by counsel.
The Advisory Committee Notes accompanying Rule 32.1(a)(2) state that a revocation hearing is informal and that evidentiary rules should be applied in a flexible manner.
The hearing required by rule 32.1(a)(2) is not a formal trial; the usual rules of evidence need not be applied.
The adoption of Rule 32.1 demonstrates a legislative intent that probation revocation proceedings be conducted without the evidentiary formalities that characterize a criminal trial.
See also
Fed.R.Evid. 1101(d): “The rules [of evidence] (other than with respect to privileges) do not apply in the following situations: ... granting or revoking probationThis intent, however, has limits in the Sixth Amendment confrontation clause, since in
Morrissey v. Brewer,
An additional comment is warranted with respect to the rights to present witnesses and to confront and cross-examine adverse witnesses. Petitioner’s greatest concern is with the difficulty and expense of procuring witnesses from perhaрs thousands of miles away. While in some cases there is simply no adequate alternative to live testimony, we emphasize that we did not in Morrissey intend to prohibit use where appropriate of the conventional substitutes, including affidavits, depositions, and documentary evidence.
What these Supreme Court cases indicate is that the hearing officer in a probation revocation proceeding must balance the probationer’s right to confront and cross-examine witnesses against any good cause asserted by the government for not allowing confrontation.
See Baker
v.
Wainwright,
The Morrissey exception to the right of confrontation and cross-examination applies to cases where “the hearing officer specifically finds good cause for not allowing confrontation.” In order to come within the exception there must be an explicit, specific finding of such good cause, and the reasons should be stated in the record of the revocation hearing.
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We do not establish any boundaries for what does or does not constitute sufficient good cause. Obviously, since this is a balancing test, there can be no fixed rules on what would constitute good cause in every case. As the Supreme Court noted in
Gag-non,
“in some cases there is simply no adequate alternative to live testimony.”
The
Gagnon
dictum suggests several grounds fоr finding good cause. The difficulty and expense of procuring live witnesses would not suffice as an excuse for admitting hearsay testimony in a criminal trial, but the Court tenders this as an example of a situation in which hearsay could be admissible in a probation revocation proceeding. Likewise, the Court recommends the conventional substitutes for hearsay: affidavits, depositions and documentary evidence. These conventional substitutes tend to bear the “indicia of reliability” upon which the Court has focused in the related context of determining whether a given hearsay statement should be admissible in a criminal triаl.
See Ohio v. Roberts,
Other circuits, faced with the issue of whether a given hearsay statement is admissible in a probation revocation proceeding, have tended to focus on these indicia of reliability. In
U.S. v. McCallum,
The court below found good cause for admitting the hearsay statements of Busby and the hearsay exhibits (the lab reports and the letter from the president of the lab) because they were “trustworthy and reliable.” Generally, a determination of the admissibility of evidence rests within the sound discretion of the trial court, and will not be disturbed on appeal absent a clear showing of an abuse of discretion.
U.S. v. Russell,
We hold that the trial court’s determination that Busby’s testimоny and the exhibits were trustworthy and reliable was not clearly erroneous. The court’s finding was a reasonable one, since laboratory reports such as those at issue here are the regular reports of a company whose business it is to conduct such tests. The laboratory expects its clients to act on the basis of its reports, and doctors and hospitals do so act. Although Penn objects to Busby’s testimony summarizing the results of those urine tests, this testimony was in the nature of an outline of what the exhibits themselves actually showed, restating what was contained in the exhibits.
Although there was no corroboration of the specific results of the individual lab reports, there was general corroboration of the allegation that Penn had been taking drugs. Busby testified that he had placed Penn in a halfway house on two different occasions, “[a]nd on both of those occasions, [Busby] asked him if he would accept a referrаl to a local drug treatment program for additional counseling and guidance. [Penn] said that he did not wish to participate in such a program, that his use of drugs was recreational.” 1 Supp. Record at 16. Penn does not deny, and did not controvert in any way, the charge that he had had illegal drugs in his body on the spеcific occasions alleged. He merely seeks to rely on his asserted right to confront and cross-examine the individuals who actually performed the laboratory tests. The letter from the lab indicated, however, that at least five different people performed each test, and, at the rеvocation hearing, it was estimated by the government that it would have been necessary to obtain the presence and testimony of 20 to 30 people from the Connecticut lab to satisfy Penn’s request. We think that this exemplifies what the
Gagnon
court was concerned about when it spoke of the difficulty and exрense of procuring distant witnesses.
See
In light of our holding that the district court was not clearly erroneous in finding that the hearsay evidence of Penn’s drug usage was reliable, we also conclude that the court did not abuse its discretion in admitting that hearsay into evidence at the revocation hearing. In the absenсe of any evidence tending to contradict Penn’s drug usage or the accuracy of the lab tests, his confrontation rights were not infringed by the admission of Busby’s testimony or the exhibits. In balancing Penn’s right to confront and cross-examine the witnesses against him against the good cause asserted by the government, the court fоund good cause for admitting the evidence—its reliability—and so stated in its order. This conformed to the constitutional principles explicated in Gagnon and Morrissey.
III. APPROPRIATENESS OF REVOCATION
Accepting that the hearsay was admissible, the court did not abuse its discretion in revoking Penn’s probation. “In a probation revocation proceeding, all that is required is that the evidence reasonably satisfy the judge that the conduct of the probationer has not been as good as required by the conditions of probation; evidence that would establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is not required.”
U.S. v. Rice,
The terms of Penn’s probation required that he refrain from ingesting illegal drugs. The evidence introduced at the hearing showed that he had taken drugs on several occasions. The district court correctly ruled that the evidence provided a basis for revoking Penn’s probation. Moreover, the court noted that a finding that Penn had committed either of the offenses alleged would have resulted in revocation. Although Penn argues that he is a suitable *767 candidate for rehabilitation without incarceration, the evidence in support of this contеntion was before the district court, which found it unpersuasive.
AFFIRMED.
Notes
. At the hearing the government conceded that its evidence on the THC charge was inadequate and stated that it was not relying on the public intoxication allegation. Several witnesses testified on the stolen and forged check charge. Sergeant Borella of the Birmingham Police Department testified over objection that her investigation of a theft of checks from an automobile had revealed that Penn had cashed one of the checks at a grocery store. Borella’s statement that the check was stolen was hearsаy, and Penn suggests that its admission also was error. Because we decide that the admission of Busby’s hearsay testimony was not error, and that Penn’s probation was lawfully revoked on the basis of the drug offense alone, we do not decide whether the police officer’s hearsay statement that the check was stolen is admissible.
. Cain held that prejudicial hearsay is inadmissible to convict a defendant since it violates his confrontation rights.
