Podolsky, a Chicago fireman, was convicted after a bench trial of one count of violating 18 U.S.C. § 844(i), which makes it a federal felony to attempt to damage or destroy, by means of fire, any building used in interstate commerce, and one count of conspiring (in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371, the federal conspiracy statute) to violate section 844(i). He was sentenced to four years in prison on the conspiracy count and to five years of probation and 500 hours of community service on the attempted-arson count.
Ziedman, a paid informant for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, hired Podolsky (who in turn hired Hawkins) *178 to burn down the building located at 2436 West Division Street (Chicago), for $5,000. The building was vacant. This was important because Podolsky had made clear that he would not knowingly set fire to a building that had people in it; he didn’t want to kill anybody. Before Podolsky could get to work on 2436, Ziedman asked him to burn down number 2438. Apparently the Bureau was concerned that there might not be federal jurisdiction over arson in the vacant 2436. But since 2438 was not vacant, Podolsky’s concern that there might be people in it when he set fire to it intensified and he demanded assurances that everyone would be out before he did the job. Ziedman gave him the requisite assurances, whereupon Podolsky and Hawkins went one night to 2438, well equipped with flammable materials. But upon arrival they saw a light in one of the windows. Afraid that someone might be inside, they decided not to go through with the job. Instead they went over to 2436, to burn it — for their agreement to do so had not been superseded by their agreement to burn 2438 — where they were immediately pounced on by waiting agents.
Podolsky was convicted of conspiracy to burn down 2438, not 2436 (because of jurisdictional concerns); and he argues that there was no such conspiracy because his agreement to burn down 2438 was conditional on its being emptied of people, a condition apparently not fulfilled. But a conspiracy may be actionable, even though it is conditional.
United States v. Anello,
Of course if the condition is a condition not of committing the agreed-upon acts (in this case, burning down number 2438), but of agreeing in the first place, there is no criminal conspiracy unless and until the condition is satisfied. If Podolsky had merely said to Ziedman, “I’ll discuss 2438 with you if and when you prove to me that you’ve gotten all the people out,” there would be no agreement to bum down 2438. There would only be an agreement to negotiate at some future date, and an agreement to negotiate an agreement to commit arson is not an agreement to commit arson. See
United States v. Melchor-Lopez,
The judge found that the agreement was a conditional agreement to burn down number 2438, and not merely an agreement to agree to burn it down if and when Podolsky was satisfied that there was no one in the building. The evidence supports this finding. After much to-ing and fro-ing on the question whether everyone would be got out of 2438, the following exchange took place between Ziedman and Podolsky:
Z: They are going to be out. You going to do it or not?
P: Sure.
Z: If you don’t, say “no.” Just tell me.
P: Yeah. I told you.
This was the meeting of the minds, creating an agreement (which Hawkins joined), though one implicitly conditioned on Podolsky’s satisfying himself when he showed up at 2438 to burn it down that it really was empty of people.
The First Circuit suggested in the
Anello
case that not every conditional agreement to commit an offense is punishable as a conspiracy; the “test for conspiratorial liability [in such a case] should focus on subjective or objective likelihood that condition will be fulfilled,”
But we need not decide in this case how to deal with the situation where an agreement is conditioned on an event that is highly unlikely ever to occur. The condition in this case — that Ziedman get the people out of number 2438 — was not of that type. Podolsky and Hawkins were satisfied with Ziedman’s assurances and proceeded to the building. The lighted window warned them off, but this is the kind of mischance that often crowns a conspiracy with failure — without making the conspiracy innocent.
The other issue raised by the appeal is whether Podolsky’s conviction (the entire conviction — not just the conviction for conspiracy) should be set aside in order to punish the government for “manufacturing” federal jurisdiction by steering Podolsky to number 2438. Admittedly it is not obvious why the federal government’s plainclothes police are interested in Chicago firemen who do arson for hire on the side. Arson is a terrible crime and there is no suggestion that Podolsky was either part of an interstate gang or capable of setting fires that might have a substantial interstate effect. In either case investigation and prosecution at the state level might involve serious problems of interstate coordination, and in such cases federal prosecution of crimes that are also state crimes makes obvious good sense.
Arson committed by means of explosives had been made a federal crime in 1970 in reaction to campus bombings by radical groups, and the limitation to explosives had been removed in 1982 mainly because of the difficulties of defining “explosive” and of establishing whether the arson had been caused by an explosive or by something else. See H.R.Rep. No. 1549, 91st Cong., 2d Sess. 36, 194-95 (1970), U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1970, p. 4007; H.R.Rep. No. 678, 97th Cong., 2d Sess. 1-3 (1982), U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1982, pp. 2631-2633. So this case is fairly remote from the concerns of Congress. See also Hearing Before the Subcomm. on Crime of the H. Comm, on Judiciary on H.R. 6377 & H.R. 6454 (Anti-Arson Act of 1982), 97th Cong., 2d Sess., ser. 121, at 23 (May 19, 1982) (testimony of assistant director of criminal enforcement, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms that “arson crimes are complex, multijurisdictional, and geographically unconfining in nature. The presence of organized crime and white-collar criminals further compounds the investigative problem”).
In any event, having gathered ample evidence that Podolsky was conspiring to bum down a vacant building, the federal agents could have turned the evidence over to the local authorities rather than induce Podolsky to commit a federal crime. The record does not indicate why this was not done, but the reason is not important. The responsibility for wise management of scarce prosecutorial and other governmental resources is not a judicial responsibility.
United States v. Schwartz,
Podolsky contends, however, that
United States v. Archer,
Although Archer was decided 13 years ago, no conviction has ever been set aside on the sole basis of the principle announced by it, even in the Second Circuit. The closest to such a case is United States v. Brantley, 777 F.2d 159, 163 (4th Cir.1985), where the Fourth Circuit said that its decision to reverse the defendants’ conviction for extortion was “influenced” by Archer. In Brantley the FBI set up a phony gambling den in which FBI agents gambled and drank, using money given them by the FBI for this purpose. The den hired the defendants for protection. The gambling equipment and the liquor had been transported across state lines, and this transportation was the basis for the charge that the defendants had violated the- federal extortion statute (the Hobbs Act). The Fourth Circuit held that since the purpose of the interstate transportation had not been commercial — the equipment and liquor had been transported interstate in order to be provided free of charge to the FBI agents — the Hobbs Act had not been violated; the extortion had not taken place in interstate commerce> See id. at 161-63. Whether or not this reasoning is sound, a question unnecessary to resolve in the present case, it is different from that of the Archer decision, where the court seems not to have been doubted that the interstate telephone network was a “facility in interstate ... commerce” (18 U.S.C. § 1952(a)).
Except in the
Brantley
case,
Archer
has been cited only to be distinguished, as in the three citations in this court. See
United States v. Murphy,
*181
Representative cases in other circuits distinguishing
Archer
are
United States v. Zambrano,
The course of decisions casts doubt if not on the result in Archer then on the vitality of the independent principle announced there that forbids the “manufacture” of federal jurisdiction in circumstances not constituting entrapment and not canceling any element of the crime such as criminal intent. The opinion in Archer is suffused with disapproval of the government’s conduct (which included much more than Bario’s use of the phone — such as fraud on the grand jury), of efforts in general to prosecute local misconduct federally, and of the hastily drafted Travel Act itself. See also Friendly, Federal Jurisdiction: A General View 56-61 (1973). But what the government actually did in Archer was like the purchase of illegal drugs by an undercover agent of the Drug Enforcement Administration — also a sham transaction designed to induce a crime to be committed at a time and in a place convenient to the government. Klein knew when he returned Bario’s calls that he was making an interstate phone call and one related to the corrupt practices for which he and Archer were later prosecuted, so there could be no argument that Klein lacked criminal knowledge or predisposition.
We are mindful of the possibility that investigative conduct not forbidden by any specific doctrine might be “so outrageous that due process principles would absolutely bar the government from invoking judicial processes to obtain a conviction.”
United States v. Russell,
*182 The judgment of the district court is AFFIRMED.
