The United States appeals from the district court’s grant of Cherie Marie Courtney’s motion to suppress statements she made to federal investigators. Relying on
Missouri v. Seibert,
I. FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
Cherie Marie Courtney was indicted on two counts of perjury arising out of testimony she gave in the trial of Shawn Kil-garlin on charges that Kilgarlin fabricated drug tests for two employees of Anderson Industrial Scaffolding Services (“AIS”). According to the indictment, Courtney gave false testimony that (1) she worked at AIS at the time that Kilgarlin was alleged to have committed the fraud, and (2) that Kilgarlin picked up a check from AIS for the testing. Kilgarlin was acquitted of one count of mail fraud relating to the check about which Courtney testified.
Relying on
Missouri v. Seibert,
The district court held a suppression hearing at which Agent Gregory McDowell of the Environmental Protection Agency testified regarding the investigation into Courtney’s perjury. He testified that he and Agent Wayne White conducted three interviews with Courtney. The first interview took place on November 5, 2003. McDowell called Courtney and requested a meeting at her house, but Courtney proposed meeting at a McDonald’s restaurant instead. The agents explained that they wanted to talk to her about whether her testimony at Kilgarlin’s trial was false. They also wanted to determine why she had given the testimony. McDowell testified that prior to the meeting, he had already concluded that Courtney’s testimony was false based on his discovery that she was not employed at AIS at the time she stated. During this meeting, Courtney was not told that she did not have to talk to the agents, that she could leave, or that she could hire a lawyer; however, she was not told that she was required to talk to them or that she could not leave. The agents made no threats or promises and they were not in uniform. The interview lasted approximately one hour.
A week later, on November 13, 2003, the agents went to Courtney’s job site to interview her again. They did not contact her prior to arriving. The interview lasted approximately forty-five minutes to an hour and took place in an unoccupied room. As with the first interview, the agents did not tell her she was free to leave, that she did not have to talk to *336 them, or that she could call a lawyer, but they also did not tell her that she was not free to leave or that she had to talk to the them. The agents again asked why she had given false testimony and discussed whether she was paid to lie.
Courtney was indicted on November 18, 2004, and a warrant was issued for her arrest. On November 19, 2004, McDowell contacted Courtney and said that he needed to serve papers on her. Because Courtney did not want the agents to come to her job site, she volunteered to come to McDowell’s office. When she arrived, McDowell informed her that she had been indicted for perjury and that she was under arrest. He then advised her of her Miranda rights. Courtney responded that she did not need an attorney and was willing to talk. The agents then conducted a third interview, addressing the same information as the first two.
The district court concluded that the evidence was inadmissible because the intent of the officers was to avoid the requirements of Miranda. The court explained that the first two interviews were unnecessary because the agents already knew that she had committed perjury. Accordingly, the court granted Courtney’s motion to suppress. The United States timely filed its notice of appeal.
II. DISCUSSION
“In considering a ruling on a motion to suppress, we review the district court’s factual findings for clear error and its legal conclusions ... de novo.”
United States v. Chavez,
The United States argues that the district court erred in concluding that the first two interviews were custodial and that the third statement should be excluded based on Seibert. It contends that Seibert does not apply because the first two statements were not obtained in violation of Miranda. It further argues that even if Seibert were applicable, the time lapse between the first two interviews and the third was sufficient to render the Miranda warnings effective. Contrary to the United States’ assertion, the district court did not make a finding that Courtney was in custody. Instead, the court ruled that all three statements were inadmissible because the first two interviews were part of an interrogation procedure designed to circumvent Miranda, a tactic proscribed by Seibert. Nevertheless, we agree with the United States’ argument that Seibert only applies if the first statements were obtained in violation of Miranda.
In
Miranda,
the Supreme Court held that, in order to preserve the privilege against self-incrimination, law enforcement officials must inform a suspect in custody of his right to remain silent, that any statement he makes may be used as evidence against him, and that he has a right to retained or appointed counsel.
Miranda,
In Seibert, the Supreme Court addressed:
a police protocol for custodial interrogation that calls for giving no warnings of the rights to silence and counsel until interrogation has produced a confession. *337 Although such a statement is generally inadmissible, since taken in violation of Miranda v. Arizona,384 U.S. 436 ,86 S.Ct. 1602 ,16 L.Ed.2d 694 (1966), the interrogating officer follows it with Miranda warnings and then leads the suspect to cover the same ground a second time. The question here is the admissibility of the repeated statement.
Seibert, 542
U.S. at 604,
In
United States v. Kiam,
A suspect is “in custody” for purposes of
Miranda
“when placed under formal arrest or when a reasonable person in the suspect’s position would have understood the situation to constitute a restraint on freedom of movement of the degree which the law associates with formal arrest.”
United States v. Bengivenga,
*338
Nevertheless, assuming arguendo that Courtney were in custody during the first two interviews and thus, a
Seibert
or
Elstad
analysis were required, we hold that the curative measures mandated by those cases were satisfied. In
Elstad,
the Supreme Court held that “[a] subsequent administration of
Miranda
warnings to a suspect who has given a voluntary but unwarned statement ordinarily should suffice to remove the conditions that precluded admission of the earlier statement.”
Elstad,
As explained above,
Seibert
addressed the constitutionality of a police tactic called “question first,” that calls for withholding
Miranda
warnings during an interrogation until the suspect gives a confession.
Seibert,
postwarning statements that are related to the substance of prewarning statements must be excluded unless curative measures are taken before the post-warning statement is made. Curative measures should be designed to ensure that a reasonable person in the suspect’s situation would understand the import and effect of the Miranda warning and of the Miranda waiver. For example, a substantial break in time and circumstances between the prewarning statement and the Miranda warning may suffice in most circumstances, as it allows the accused to distinguish the two contexts and appreciate that the interrogation has taken a new turn.
Id.
at 622,
Although the district court did not make a finding that Courtney was in custody during the first two interviews, the court held that the officers deliberately avoided
Miranda’s
requirements. Assuming arguendo that the first interviews were obtained in violation of
Miranda,
we need not decide whether the practice at issue would constitute a deliberate two step process because the passage of time between the first two statements and the third post-Miramia statement is sufficient to ensure that the
Miranda
warnings served their purpose and that Courtney’s statement was voluntary under the tests announced in both
Elstad
and
Seibert.
In contrast to
Seibert,
it would not be reasonable to regard the sessions “as parts of a continuum, in which it would have been unnatural to refuse to repeat at the second stage what had been said before.”
Seibert,
III. CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons we REVERSE the judgment of the district court and REMAND for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
