While in prison awaiting trial on charges of being a felon-in-possession of a firearm, Jeremy Bender conversed with an undercover government agent concerning his plot to falsify an alibi and possibly kidnap and murder government witnesses. Bender’s attorney was not present during the conversation nor notified that it would take place. After the government informed Bender that it would seek to introduce his statements in the pending criminal case, he moved to have them suppressed. Applying
Maine v. Moulton,
I.
On April 14, 1999, Bender was indicted on one count of being a felon-in-possession of a firearm, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g)(1), 924(e)(1). 1 Bender was arraigned on April 26th and the district court assigned him counsel. He was incarcerated pending trial. A superseding indictment, entered May 27, 1999, tacked on two more felon-in-possession counts. For reasons immaterial to this appeal, Bender’s trial date was continued until October 18,1999.
During his incarceration, Bender allegedly spoke with two fellow inmates,- on separate occasions, about ways in which he could illegally influence the outcome of his impending trial. One scheme involved the fabrication of an alibi for himself; the second involved the kidnaping and murder of government witnesses who would testify against him. The inmates, neither of whom were government agents at the time, reported their conversations with Bender to the authorities.
On September 28, 1999, an undercover officer went to the prison to meet with Bender. The officer was instructed not to speak with him about the pending felon-in-possession charges. Bender thought he was meeting with his alibi-for-hire. During the ensuing conversation, Bender made incriminating statements pertaining to his schemes to hire an alibi witness and a hit man. There was no discussion of, and Bender made no admissions pertaining to, the pending felon-in-possession charges as such. Bender’s attorney was not present during the conversation.
On October 1, 1999, the government notified Bender’s attorney that it would seek to introduce Bender’s statements as evidence against him in the pending case. That same day, Bender moved to suppress all statements made to the two prisoners and the undercover officer. On October 22nd, the district court heard testimony and argument and, relying on Moulton, granted Bender’s motion to suppress the statements made to the undercover officer. 2 In particular, the district court found that:
*268 the law enforcement agents intended to investigate new crimes, specifically subornation of perjury and kidnaping or attempted murder ... [;]
... the law enforcement agents did exactly what they should have done, which is to say ... limiting the inquiry from defendant Bender and, of course, ... [investigating] these potential new offenses ... [;]
... because the subornation of perjury had to do with an alibi ... [,] the law enforcement authorities must have known it was likely to elicit incriminating statements ... [;]
... [and] the defendant did in fact make incriminating statements with respect to the creation of false alibi and, of course, the government would not seek to admit it were it not material evidence that would bear upon consciousness of guilt involving the crime.
The government appeals.
II.
We review the district court’s factual findings for clear error and its constitutional rulings de novo.
See United States v. Mavenghi,
A person is “denied the basic protections of [the Sixth Amendment’s] guarantee when there was used against him at his trial evidence of his own incriminating words, which federal agents had deliberately elicited from him after he had been indicted and in the absence of his counsel.”
Massiah v. United States,
Thus, the accused is guaranteed, “at least after the initiation of formal charges, the right to rely on counsel as a ‘medium’ between him and the State.”
Id.
at 176,
Instead, the government contends, primarily, that, since the incriminating statements concerned different and future crimes, unrelated, it says, to the pending charges, the Sixth Amendment does not apply. We disagree. The statements were incriminating not only as to future crimes (peijury, conspiracy to kidnap and murder) but also as to the pending charges. So long as the statements were incriminating as to the pending charges and were deliberately elicited by government agents, they cannot constitutionally be admitted in the trial of those charges.
Cf. id.
at 180,
At bottom, the government’s position is that
Moulton
is limited to direct statements by the defendant about the crime with which he has been charged. Nothing in
Moulton
supports that limitation, and Sixth Amendment jurisprudence is to the contrary.
See Massiah,
The government also contends that statements pertaining to subornation of perjury are unprotected by the Sixth Amendment. Citing
Nix v. Whiteside,
The government argues, as well, that suppression is illogical because the district court found that the government did nothing wrong. The same argument was presented and rejected in both
Massiah
and
Moulton. See Massiah,
As a variant of this same argument, the government contends that the purpose of suppression is to deter law enforcement officers from violating constitutional rights by imposing the penalty of suppression when they do. If the incriminating statements violate constitutional rights only when the statements are sought in order to be introduced as to pending charges, then the agents here violated no constitutional rights in procuring the statements, and so there is no rationale for suppression.
4
There are at least two different responses. First, even if the focus were on the agent and not the government as prosecutor, we do not live in a perfectly logical world but rather live in one that is built on experience and accommodation of differing interests. The tension the government identifies is inherent in what
Moulton
calls “a sensible solution to a difficult problem.”
Id.
at 179,
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Finally, the government argues that suppression is poor policy because it “encourages defendants to suborn perjury, tamper with witnesses, obstruct justice, and otherwise interfere with the truth-finding function of the courts.” As observed, the presence of counsel may lessen instances of such conduct. And we doubt that defendants will be more likely to suborn perjury or obstruct justice because of our decision. Nothing prevents the government from prosecuting Bender in a separate proceeding for subornation of perjury and the like.
See Moulton,
III.
For these reasons, the judgment of the district court is affirmed.
Notes
. Related state charges against Bender are also pending.
. The district court denied Bender's motion *268 insofar as it pertained to the statements of the two prisoners regarding their conversations with Bender before they contacted the government. Bender does not appeal this aspect of the district court’s ruling.
.
Moulton
overruled this circuit's earlier decisions in
Grieco v. Meachum,
. The government says that if it is “free to use the statements at a future prosecution, there must be no Sixth Amendment violation in the very acquisition of the statements." Thus, "there should be no Sixth Amendment violation in obtaining and using the statements at a trial on pending charges.” We have no occasion to rule on the premise; the conclusion, however, does not follow. The Sixth Amendment does not fasten itself irremovably from an incriminating statement, making that statement either admissible or inadmissible for all time. Instead, the Amendment, in this context, governs the interactions between the government and the accused once the adversarial process has begun in a particular case. In other words, "[t]he Sixth Amendment right ... is offense specific.”
McNeil v. Wisconsin,
