Thе defendants have filed a motion which is countered by a motion of the government to strike. The former, interpreted in the light of supporting affidavit and argument, in effect seeks approval by the court for defendants or their counsel to elicit from persons, composing the late grand jury, which returned the indictment, information as to evidence and proceedings before it, and for examination of the transcript covering the same, with a view to discovering whether there was misconduct by government counsel or incompetent and irrelevant evidence which might be used by defendants to vitiate the indictment. One of defense counsel by affidavit alleges that hе has been “informed” by various defendants and “believes” that attorneys for the government presented irrelevant testimony to the grand jury, advised it as to the law, and requested and persuaded it to return the indictment; that certain members of the jury have indicated a willingness to talk with him concerning said matters, except for uncertainty as to thеir right. It is asserted that the defendants desire to file pleas in abatement and motions to quash the indictment, and that the truth as to these matters *430 can only be determined with that сertainty requisite to the making of such pleadings from members of the grand jury or the official transcript. Upon this alleged state of facts, the court is asked to define the rights and duties of the various parties so as to clarify any uncertainties existing in connection with an inquiry by the defense for the preparation and filing of the contemрlated pleadings; also to examine jurors and transcript to discover for benefit of defendants the truth as to alleged irregularities affecting the indictment, to the еnd that the intended steps to be taken by defendants to vitiate the indictment may be backed' by definite allegations and proof sufficient to legally sustain and establish the sаme.
The motion in its broad aspects presents two main questions: First, it asks for an expression of the court’s views, in the nature of a declaratory opinion, as to thе scope and duration of the grand juror’s oath of secrecy. Second, it seeks the court’s aid to conduct an investigation of the proceedings of the grаnd jury to discover for defendants possible grounds upon which to prepare their threatened attack upon the validity of the indictment.
The first proposition might be dismissеd because it presents no concrete justiciable question for the court’s decision. A purely legalistic disposition of the matter would dictate that course. But the matter as it now stands is unusual. It concerns many persons, including the former jurors. I also appreciate the sincerity and good faith of the parties and their counsel in asking the guidance of the court. Accordingly, for all those concerned who may wish my views, 'I feel constrained to say that in my opinion the oath taken by the grand jurors “to keep secret the counsel of the United States, your fellows and your own” is not limited by time or circumstance. It is a lasting obligation binding all who have served as grand jurоrs. State v. Fasset,
The departure taken by the Circuit Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, some thirty years ago (Atwell v. United States,
As to the second proposition, there is no question of a court’s power to go back of an indictment to inquire whether vitiаting irregularities induced the finding.
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United States v. Gouled, supra; Laska v. United States, 10 Cir.,
I am satisfied no proper grounds have been laid in support of defendants’ motion. To grant it would do violence tо salutary rules strongly rooted in our jurisprudence which, without sacrificing any of the fundamental safeguards, look to the speedy and practical administration of criminal justice with due regard to the just rights of society. McKinney v. United States, 8 Cir.,
The motion to strike will be granted.
