This appeal from the dismissal of a habeas corpus petition for failure to state a claim on which relief could be granted raises issues left unanswered in
Michigan v. Tucker,
The petitioner-appellant, Robert Hudson, is presently serving a 199 year sentence in the Illinois State Penitentiary after having been convicted in state court of the murder of a shopkeeper. 1 He alleged that during interrogation he implicated an accomplice, McFadden, who implicated a second accomplice, Smith, and that both accomplices testified for the prosecution at the trial at which petitioner was convicted. (An earlier trial at which they did not testify did not produce a verdict.) He also makes the following allegations concerning his interrogation: On the morning of May 22, 1967, he was arrested, taken to the scene of the crime, and from there to a police station where he was questioned briefly. He was then taken to a second police station where he was questioned by several policemen from approximately 1:00 P.M. until 6:30 P.M. when he implicated McFadden. He was not warned of his rights to remain silent at either interrogation and his requests to phone an attorney were denied. During the afternoon session the petitioner went without food, drink, rest and cigarettes and was told that he could make a telephone call after he “told them (the police) what' they wanted to hear.”
These allegations fall outside the fact situation presented in
Tucker
where the Court held that, absent any suggestion of involuntariness, the failure to warn the accused of his right to appointed
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counsel during an interrogation conducted prior to the
Miranda
decision did not require the exclusion of third party testimonial fruits of the accused’s unwarned statement. The facts alleged by petitioner not only constitute a failure to give
Miranda
warnings during an interrogation occurring after the
Miranda
decision, but the denial of his requests to contact an attorney, coupled with the failure to warn him of his right to remain silent, appear to constitute a Sixth Amendment violation under
Escobedo v. Illinois,
Although recognizing that the Tucker holding does not extend to the present facts, the district court read the Tucker opinion as implying that the interest in securing trustworthy evidence was sufficiently paramount as to justify the admission of the evidentiary fruits of an involuntary statement. We do not agree.
We can envisage that the balancing (as performed in Tucker) of the social interest in trustworthy evidence against the needs for deterrence of improper police conduct might cause the Supreme Court to allow the admission of third party testimonial fruits of interrogation of an accused in custody without Miranda warnings in a case where, unlike Tucker, the event occurred after the Miranda decision. Even with that assumption, it seems to us most improbable that such balancing would permit the prosecution to use similar third party testimonial results of coerced statements, or statements obtained by an Escobedo type denial of an accused’s Sixth Amendment rights. Surely in Tucker, the Court took pains to point out that the Tucker facts lacked coercion sufficient to amount to compulsion of self-incrimination and fell short of an Escobedo situation.
We conclude that petitioner’s allegations were sufficient to entitle him to a hearing in which to establish either that his statement was made involuntarily or that he was deprived of his Sixth Amendment right to counsel under Esco-bedo, and that the testimony of his accomplices was “tainted fruit” of either of these violations.
Third Party Testimonial Fruits of Involuntary Statements
Wong Sun v. United States,
Nothing in Tucker suggests that there need not be exclusion of third party testimony where a state court defendant can show that such testimony is the product of a coerced or involuntary statement. Tucker holds that a failure *893 to give a required Miranda warning is not a constitutional violation, and that an unwarned statement may nevertheless be found to be voluntary under traditional standards. Only after establishing that the defendant’s unwarned statement was voluntary did the Court go on to consider whether, as a matter of first impression, the third party testimonial fruits of the unwarned statement could be admitted.
“This Court has also said, in Wong Sun v. United States, * * *, that the ‘fruits’ of police conduct which actually infringed a defendant’s Fourth Amendment rights must be suppressed. But we have already concluded that the police conduct at issue here did not abridge respondent’s constitutional privilege against self-incrimination, but departed only from the prophylactic standards later laid down by this Court in Miranda to safeguard that privilege. Thus, . there is no controlling precedent of this Court to guide us.” Tucker,417 U.S. at 445-46 ,94 S.Ct. at 2364 .
It is true historically that, unlike evidence seized in violation of the Fourth Amendment, exclusion of coerced testimony was partially premised on the unreliability of such testimony. The unreliability of a compelled statement would not usually attach to its fruits. But the distrust of compelled statements has been conjoined with an abhorrence of the methods which produce them,
Spano,
Thus, petitioner is entitled to an evi-dentiary hearing at which he may attempt to show that his statements as to McFadden were involuntary.
The Fruits of Escobedo Violations
Since Wong Sun, supra, requires the exclusion of the fruits of constitutional violations, the question of the admissibility of the fruits of an Escobedo violation depends upon whether Escobedo defines a constitutional right or merely “prophylactic standards.” In Tucker, the Court reasoned that the omission of a Miranda warning did not violate the defendant’s constitutional rights because the Miranda warnings are designed to safeguard the right against self-incrimination. Since the defendant’s statement was voluntary, the right against self-incrimination was not violated, even though the safeguard was.
The Court has characterized the statements obtained from
Escobedo
as the “product of his compulsion,”
Miranda,
The
Miranda
Court emphasized that the Sixth Amendment violation consisted of the fact that the police prevented Es-cobedo’s retained counsel, who was outside the interrogation room, from consulting with his client. But since
Esco-bedo
rested on the contention that the
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police interrogation was a critical stage in the adversary process,
Tucker also characterized the Miranda rules as • prophylactic safeguards of rights, rather than rights in themselves, because language in Miranda implies that the states are free to employ devices other than the Miranda warnings to accomplish the same ends. 2
While
Miranda
was designed to dispel the “inherent pressures” of custodial interrogation by requiring the police to take affirmative action, the police conduct proscribed in
Escobedo
served to “heighten” the pressures on the accused and to make his statements the “product of his compulsion.”
Miranda,
Thus, petitioner is entitled to an evi-dentiary hearing at which he may attempt to show that the police denied his requests to contact an attorney and failed to warn him of his right to remain silent in violation of Escobedo.
The Admissibility of Evidentiary Fruits of a Miranda Violation
Since Tucker holds that a failure to give an accused a Miranda warning does not deprive him of a constitutional right, the precedents which require the exclusion of the fruits of Fourth and Fifth Amendment violations can be distinguished without breach of logic. 3 Tucker calls for balancing the interests served by exclusion against the interest in making probative evidence available to the trier of fact. According to Tucker, the exclusion of an unwarned statement serves to deter unlawful police conduct, to protect the courts from reliance on untrustworthy evidence, and to maintain an adversary or accusatorial system of criminal justice. The Court held that these interests would not be significantly fostered by requiring the exclusion of probative third party testimonial fruits of an unwarned statement, at least where the police in question were acting in good faith reliance on the then known constitutional standards governing the conduct of a custodial interrogation. The Court reasoned that since the police officers had shown a concern for protecting the accused’s rights according to then known standards, the exclusion of the third party testimony would serve little purpose.
The fact that the interrogation considered in Tucker occurred before Miranda played no part in the Court’s reasoning that untrustworthiness did not require the exclusion of the unwarned statement. That sequence appears only to have possibly worked to reduce the force of the deterrence rationale.
The Court did not address the deterrent effect of exclusion of third party testimony obtained as a result of a statement taken after the
Miranda
decision but without giving the warnings required by it. Mr. Justice White, concurring, stated his own view that any benefit from deterrence is far outweighed by the advantages of relevant and probative testimony.
*895 For a police officer, with Miranda requirements in mind, the principal deterrent to omitting them is the knowledge that the accused’s statement will be excluded. Arguably the exclusion of evidence obtained as the result of an unwarned statement adds little.
A majority of the court (other than the author of this opinion) conclude that even where an interrogation occurs after the Miranda decision, and warnings required by it are not given, the deterrent effect of excluding third party testimonial fruits of an otherwise voluntary statement is not sufficient to warrant exclusion. The majority would therefore extend Tucker to this case to the extent that petitioner’s claim rests solely on omission of Miranda warnings.
However, were it up to the author of this opinion, we would heed Tucker’s emphasis on the “good faith” of the police officers involved, and bar the admission of the third party testimonial fruits of a post-Miranda failure to warn an accused of his rights.
Allegations of “Tainted Fruits”
The state has argued the Miranda point, but has not argued that fruits of a coerced statement or of one obtained through violation of a Sixth Amendment right to counsel need not be excluded. As to any ground, the state argues that the. petition is insufficient as a claim of a causal link between petitioner’s statement and the testimony of McFadden and Smith.
Petitioner alleged: “the State used evidence which was obtained as a result of the illegal interrogation. . . . Petitioner gave an oral statement implicating Carl McFadden and Harold Riggens. . At the second trial, the prosecution used McFadden as a state’s witness. Also John Smith, whom McFadden implicated was used as a state’s witness. McFadden and Smith should not have been used against your Petitioner. Both were obtained as the result of the illegal interrogation.” The state contends that petitioner must plead the absence of intervening causal factors which may have prompted McFadden and Smith to testify voluntarily.
We cannot agree. The allegations were sufficient to apprise the district court of the claim that the testimony of McFadden and Smith was the result of the statement unlawfully obtained from petitioner. They would thus have been sufficient in a civil action.
Haines v. Kerner,
It is of course open to the state to show that it learned of the witnesses through an independent source.
Silverthorne Lumber Co. v. United States,
The state has drawn our attention to a passage in
People v. Hudson,
We conclude that the allegations are sufficient to entitle petitioner to an evi-dentiary hearing.
• The judgment is reversed and the cause remanded for further proceedings.
Notes
. His conviction was upheld in People
v. Hudson,
. Extension of
Tucker
to an
Escobedo
violation is also open to question because of the conceptual difficulties involved in the concept of non-constitutional prophylactic safeguards which are enforceable against the states. See
Tucker,
.
Tucker
may call in question a part of our holding in
United States v. Cassell,
