Plaintiffs, Thomas Moore, an individual welfare recipient (ANFC — UF) and the Vermont Welfare Rights Association representing its members, have brought an action against officials of several Vermont social service and personnel departments 1 seeking declaratory and injunctive relief regarding the State’s obligations pursuant to provisions of the Social Security Act requiring States to train and use welfare recipients and low-income persons as community service aides. 2 A State plan was submitted to comply with these provisions in 1969 and plaintiffs claim this created a contract between Vermont and the Health, Education and Welfare Department. The District Court granted defendants’ motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction. We reverse the finding of the court below that plaintiffs showed only indirect or speculative damages and we remand for further consideration of the matter in controversy.
Plaintiffs seek a declaration that the present personnel policies of the State of Vermont pertaining to the Department of Social Welfare’s subprofessional employees are invalid and a preliminary and permanent injunction ordering the State officials to provide for the training and effective use of public assistance recipients and other persons of low income as subprofessional employees in the Vermont Department of Social Welfare.
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Plaintiffs allege that the federal court has jurisdiction of the controversy by virtue of federal question jurisdiction, 28 U.S.C. § 1331,
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and seek to establish the jurisdictional amount by analogizing their position to that of the beneficiaries of a trust fund. Under plaintiffs’ theory, welfare recipients and low income persons are the intended beneficiaries of a trust fund created by the State when the State submits and HEW approves a plan. The “res” is composed of the state and federal moneys earmarked for the specific program employing welfare recipients and low-income persons. The fund is to be distributed to those welfare recipients and low-income persons who apply and qualify in competition with other potential beneficiaries. Plaintiffs rely on Berman v. Narragansett Racing Association
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and Bass v. Rockefeller
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as
Defendants challenged the jurisdiction of the court below bringing motions, pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 12, to dismiss for failure to state a claim upon which relief may be granted and for failure to demonstrate that the amount in controversy exceeds $10,000., exclusive of interest or costs.
The court granted defendants’ motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction and therefore did not consider whether plaintiffs had stated a claim upon which relief could be granted. The court found that plaintiffs had not demonstrated $10,000. in damages because damages due to job unavailability are indirect damages “ . . . long . . . held too speculative to support jurisdiction under section 1331.”
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The court cited Rosado v. Wyman,
Federal courts have consistently held that absolute certainty in valuation of the right involved is not required to meet the amount in controversy requirement but rather the requirement is that there be a reasonable probability of an amount in controversy exceeding jurisdictional amount if an amount can be ascertained pursuant to some realistic formula. See e.
g.,
Lawrence v. Oakes,
Because of its finding, the court below did not consider the propriety of the “trust fund” approach. We must remand for such consideration as is necessary to allow the district court to make a factfinding determination as to what the amount of that “fund” is, because on the inadequate record, we cannot say to a legal certainty that the amount in controversy does not exceed $10,000.
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At this point it appears that the original 1969 plan provided for 9 full-time or 24 part-time employees, but we have no indication of the monetary commitment involved. Vermont hired 7 persons in another capacity when the original program terminated, and subsequently a third program involving 16 persons was begun. Under conflicting allegations as to the effect of these various programs on the amount in controversy, remand is proper due to the factual elements of resolving the question of jurisdictional amount. Further questions
Reversed and remanded for further consideration of amount in controversy.
Notes
. The defendants in this action include: the Commissioner of the Vermont Department of Social Welfare, the Acting Commissioner of the Vermont Department of Personnel, and the Commissioner of the Vermont Department of Rehabilitation.
. The Social Security Act requires States to submit aid “plans” which must be approved by the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare before federal funds may be used in state categorical assistance. See e. g. 42 U.S.C. § 602(a)-(b) (1970). These plans are required to provide:
for the training and effective use of paid sub-professional staff, with particular emphasis on the full-time or part-time employment of recipients and other persons of low income, as community services aides, in the administration of the plan . . . 42 U.S.C. Sections 302(a)(5)(B), 602(a)(5)(B), 1202(a)(5)(B), 1352(a)(5)(B), 1396a(a)(4)(B) (1970); 45 C.F.R. Section 225 (1972).
. Second Amended Complaint.
. 28 U.S.C. Section 1331(a) provides:
The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of all civil actions wherein the matter in controversy exceeds the sum or value of $10,000, exclusive of interest and costs, and arises under the Constitution, laws, or treaties of the United States.
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. 331 ' F.Supp. 945 (S.D.N.Y.), Appeal dismissed.as moot
. Slip opinion of district court p. 5. Appellant’s Appendix A-55.
. Goldsmith v. Sutherland,
. Barry v. Mercein,
. Kurtz v. Moffitt,
. Cf. Gibson v. Jeffers,
. The
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trust fund theory has been cited by several courts in various factual circumstances but the majority of cases approving
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or similar jurisdictional amount theory do so where plaintiffs bring class actions.
See,
New Jersey Welfare Rights Organization v. Cahill,
