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State v. Karpenski
971 P.2d 553
Wash. Ct. App.
1999
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*1 Reversed and remanded.

Sweeney Kato, JJ., concur. February

[Nо. 21431-8-II. Division 1999.] Two. Respondent, v. R. Washington, The State Thomas Karpenski, Appellant.

Armstrong, J., part by separate opinion. dissents Nussbaum,

Lenell R. appellant. for and Barbara Attorney, Ladenburg, Prosecuting John W. for respondent. Deputy, L. Corey-Boulet, — his convic- Karpenski R. appeals J. Thomas Morgan, and first child degree a child degree rape tions for first incompetent that a was Holding molestation. child witness erroneously admit- was testify trial and ted, and remand. we reverse mother, MM, His was single born on June her Z’s maternal result,

and As employed. parents, him. grandparents, heavily raising been involved have here, Z imaginary At all times relevant told stories claimed, example, detail. He for containing falsely vivid uncle, mother that he had with his deceased that his spoken In $10,000, skydiving. and he had gone had won story, “he even had the colors of the skydiving parachute.”1 mother, went “for months According to sometimes 3According to his believing grandmother, his stories.”2 always always exaggerates. . . . He insists—that’s [H]e think more so than I would thing normal him. —Much I’ve years I care director for five day most kids. was six, I encoun never ages been around children one know—you mean, stories, you usually kids but tered—I tell they’ll accept that. can tell them that’s not real usually it.[3] accept does not *4 In May began dating Karpenski.

In Z’s mother (Oct. 1996). 1 Report Proceedings of at 37 1996). (Oct. 21, 2Report Proceedings of at 36 1996). (Oct. 22, 23, 3Report Proceedings at 9 1993, she became pregnant with child. In Karpenski’s April gave Matthew, she birth to Z’s half brother. 1994, MM,

In June Z and Karpens Matthew moved into ki’s slept house. Z in a bag living on the sleeping room couch “for like . . . two until nights,” his Matthew’s bedroom ready for occupancy.4

In July 1995, Oregon family with twin six-year-old sons was for week visiting in Karpenski’s neighborhood. Z and played the twins together day. afternoon, each One husband, the twins’ mother told her father, twins’ and Z twins were in the playing bushes their pants what, down. The record does if anything, not show actually mother saw the boys doing; three she never testi fied, father, and the twins’ did did testify, who not know whether his wife had actually seen what she was describi ng.5 event,

In any father reacted by calling the twins and asking inside what were they doing. said twins that was showing them “how to his in put pee-pee their Understandably disturbed, Z, bottom.” the father “caught walking by something,” he was or and asked “who showed first, him put pee-pee how bottom.”6 At Z said Then, “it didn’t Z said “he learned it from happen.” [the retorted, twins].”7 The father could “My boys not have they shown because don’t you know” about such things, (Oct. (Oct. 4Report Proceedings 1996); Report Proceedings at 41 at 40 1996). 22, 23, 5 Thefather testified: your [D]id have a did

Q: she conversation with two sons or she see what was going on? know, positive my if A: I’m not told sons her she saw. You she them saw big, huge hedge bushes back there. It’s bushes and the back boys they swinging playing, playing were around and were fort stuff. (Oct. 17, 1996); 170; Report Proceedings see Id. also Id. at 178. 6Id. at

7 Id.at 81. *5 point you Z again, At that did learn “How and asked it?”8 night boyfriend my spends finally “Well, mom’s said, my sleeping living my sleep room I mom’s house. my night bag, and tears in the middle of and he comes clothes off.”9 any pursue parents with the matter The did twins’ They boys. mother, to however, a letter Z’s did, write they Oregon they to Then returned had not met. whom with their children. parents’ letter, she mother received twins’

When Z’s no.”10 She “couldn’t true he Z “if this was and said asked they lady [the go letter], because to . . . the that wrote talk they Oregon gone Shе . . back to where were . neighbor lived.”11 played daughter Z, R, a often asked whose any play R R between the children. whether knew of sex say go to home not, did R had heard Z he did not want but linking Apparently the letter “because Tom was there.”12 say, [MM] [Z] to R to take to what she had heard “asked hospital get [Karpenski’s] him out of house.”13 grand comply, R MM not to called Z’s maternal chose so (CPS). Child mother and Protective Services grandmother by speaking with Z. reacted to call R’s testimony: According her later man [Z] had talked to a supposedly A: ... told me that [R] abusing twins, Tom him. neighbor, the father of the about man, me, no, he talked to . . Z told he didn’t talk A: . said, And he mommy. you And I “Did see man?” their said, “No.”

8 Id.

9Id. at 173. 1996). (Oct. 21, Proceedings Report See also Proceedings 10Report of at 37 me”). 1996) (MM (Oct. 17, it about denied [Z] at 32 “asked it 11 Id. at 47. 1996). (Oct. Proceedings

12Report of 13 Id.

Q: say And did he what he told the mother? boys A: He told the mother that little him, wanted twins, him play go wanted to the fort kissing play pee-pee time, the butt. And I . . him . asked at that said, “Did do I you “No, that?” And he went and talked to their mommy.” And then . . . him his mother called home.[14]

CPS reacted to R’s call MM requiring remove from Karpenski’s Thus, July 28, 1995, house. on or about *6 Z, MM, and Matthew moved to MM’s house. CPS parents’ also MM to Z required take to mental health counseling, which apparently lasted for few weeks.

In September started the grade. “[W]hen first his teacher asked him he vacation,” what did over summer said, mother, he to his that he and according his little Hawaii, brother “went to and the warm water was splash ing legs on his were . . . and.they eating and pineapple, in whispering trees were the wind and it so was warm . . . .”15 to According his grandmother, , told relayed also,

He us ... and he this to his teаcher that Hawaii, very vividly he had been to Hawaii, that he’d been to to down the fact that he described the feel of the water on his feet, smell, plane trip. plane. He’s never in been And very it was hard to him he convince that didn’t do that. riding ha[ve] There been car times we’ve been something, somewhere and he’ll insist that he’s ei done he’s plane whatever, ther been in a or off or jumped he’s a cliff and him, that, no, gets we’ve had to tell do you very didn’t and he angry says yes, did, just and it he’s done and we don’t it.[16:i remember

When the first teacher learned that Z had not actu- grade been ally Hawaii, she referred him to the school 1996). (Oct. 14Report 22, 23, Proceedings at (Oct. 1996). 15Report Proceedings at 16 Id. 129-30. health him to mental who turn referred

psychologist, until spring. lasted counseling apparently counseling. 14, 1995, grand mother and maternal Z’s On November an interview him the courthouse for county father took County Pierce by the employed with a child interviewer house, they Office. left the grandparents’ Prosecutor’s As him, her, somebody “that according mother told Z’s Tom,”17 “he asking to be him about going questions had to tell them the truth.”18 courthouse, the mother arriving

Upon with the child spent minutes conference grandfather the end separate in a room. At played while interviewer time, the mother of that the interviewer directed Z. she interviewed Dur- grandfather wait outside while interviewer, both conference, according child ing grandfather the mother and made it true, allegations were not very clear . . . that to them these kind they provided and the information me was neighbors up come background [Z’s about how some boyfriend and indicated that . . her at thе time was mother] . molester.[19] a child Z for about 35 minutes. No spoke

The interviewer interview, present. tape one else was She did *7 of her it, policy with a tape seek consent accordance destroyed after a typing office.20 She took notes that she of her office.21 in accordance a policy with report, again interview, the interviewer Near the beginning Z designed three show whether simple questions asked lie. The the difference the truth understood between if lying truth or telling was whether she would be first The boy. second was she were claim that she was Id. at 33. 18 Id. at 34.

19 Id. 88. at 104; see id. at 109-10.

20Id. also at 104;

21Id. see also id. at 109-10. telling lying whether she would be the truth or if she told Z his hair was on fire. The third was whether truth or a lie responses record, better. Z’s are not in the but we as appropriately.22 sume he answered preliminaries, began After these the interviewer explore sexually questions Z had whether been abused. Her (1) and Z’s answers were as follows: The asked interviewer anything [Z] “if had ever made Z said, feel uncomfortable.” my my sleeping bag “One time when I was in bed in got my [bottom] wiped home, I wet Tom came in and my [bottom].”23 explained, terms, Z in child’s that he had neglected defecated, anus, to clean his and awakened while Karpenski wiping paper “was him with toilet underneath (2) clothing.”24 The did not interviewer consider this “something “press[ed] nature,” sexual so Z she further” by asking anything “if Tom had ever done to make him (3) answered, feel unsafe.”25 Z “That’s all.”26 The inter “explained thought something viewer to Z that someone might happened have unsafe,” to make him feel and “asked they got right they got up.”27 if or if that mixed (4) responded, they talking “What were about?”28 [Z] anything I “told interviewer that meant him made unsafe,” feel “I said, it can’t remember all because (5) my only thing.”29 mom told me that one The interviewer happened “asked if his mom told him about what 22Id. “boobs,” explained Report 23Z used word but he meant his “bottom.” (Oct. (Oct. 1996). 17, 1996);

Proceedings Report Proceedings at 92-93 at 89 24Id. at 90. (Oct. 17, 1996);

25 Report Proceedings at 94 see also Id. at 116.

26 Id.at 94.

27 Id.

28 Id.at 95.

29 Id. go.”30 [when we] about to “Yes, Z were Tom,” said, and talking Clarifying, Zif about interviewer asked meaning day “today, said, Z interview,” and of the (6) couldn’t if Z “had said he The asked interviewer “Yes.”31 things happened Tom,” with and that remember all (7) replied, The “No, Z remember all of them.”32 he can’t thing,”33 if Z tell her “about one asked would interviewer just thing,” adding, “Only “I Z one can’t said, and that (8) Z them.”34 The “told that remember all of interviewer things thought other he told them about some someone they got right happened Tom,” if that and “asked that (9) they “Right.”35 up.” said, Z The or if mixed were said, Z else Tom did.” “That’s interviewer asked “what ”36(io) anyone Z if told else The interviewer “asked (11) things did,” said, Z “No.”37 The Tom and about thought Z he told them “told that someone interviewer things happened with Tom thé they about some that without right paper,” they got if “asked if toilet (12) up.” Z said, were mixed “Yes.”38 interviewer thing. said, He did,” Tom “One “asked what else my private put it in He made me took his area and butt. thing upset. That’s one he did.”39 Immediately following response, the inter- this twelfth alleged began question and how the about when viewer 30Id. interviewer, saying according be point, she understood Z to 31Id. At this him,” something had done to mom had told him about what Tom “that his day prior coming to the interview.” Id. at him that

that “she had said 95-96. 32/d.

33 Id.

34 Id.

35Id.

36Id. at 97.

37/d.

38Id. “by trying abuse occurred. She started if ascertain” *9 paper day “the toilet . incident . . same or was a day.” [the abuse] Z different “said was after Tom had paper.” flushed the toilet He on to “went describe that he living sitting was in the room still and that Tom was a apparently laying put chair he and that was down and he private [Z] his in his When the interviewer “asked butt.”40 explain happened,” get how that Z “demonstrated ting laying, moving down and forward off the chair and putting basically laying both hands on either of Z side and wearing over him.”41 Z said “that Tom was robe at that private [Tom’s] up [Z’s] time, and that his went inside his body stayed and it still.”42 When the asked interviewer happened “whether this had on one or more than occasion sought Z once,” said, “One When the interviewer time.”43 general frame,” to establish a “kind of however, time Z indicated that it had happened more than one time. He happened described that it had when grade he was first first grade. and before And he said that he was five it happened. He anything also—when I him if hap- asked pened kindergarten, he no. said Q: you he indicating Was that it had happened more than just time

one one time? HeA: said one time. His answer would would always—usually

say thing more than one like first and grade before first grade, impression one, and more was than but when I time.[44] asked him he said one Inexplicably, “Tonight Z occurred, also said the had abuse after school.”45

Attempting obtain details, more the interviewer asked (Oct. 1996). Proceedings 40Report at 98 41Id. ' 42Id.

43 Id.at

44Id. (Oct. 1996). 121; Report Proceedings

45Id. at 112-13 any “private” Karpenski to touch had used his whether part anything Z said “butt,” “never than his of other having private his private.”46 Tom’s touch about [Z] Karpenski touched “ever asked whether interviewer Karpen anything private,” and Z said besides no,47 Lastly, kept the interviewer at his his hands ski sides.48 Karpenski’s “private stick” hard like a was asked whether med said, “Hard, kind of worm,” or “soft like ium.”49 videotaped, record not

Because the interview was actually depict Ac Z’s nonverbal manifestations. does cording testimony, “body oral Z’s interviewer’s “during talking language” changed the time that coloring” stopped “[H]e about event with Tom.”50 very portion of tears of that “he was near most *10 crying, spoke “[H]e he interview . . . .”51 never started but very end, he “kind of said that he had Near the softly.”52 “mov[ing] grandpar solution,” to his found the which was happen ents’ so it couldn’t again.”53 grandfather interview, MM, Z’s returned Z, After the and According grandparents’ grandmother, to the to the house. Z home, night he at when I say anything

didn’t came but I him. after read our put always him to bed read to And we said, story, you they he “Do to know what asked me ... want said, “Well, said, they I he said Tom today?” And “No.” And been said, you? I “Did Tom hurt Has he ever hurt me.” ever 46 Id. at 118. (Oct. 1996); 17, Proceedings 47Report Proceedings Report of of

(Oct. 1996). 21, (Oct. 1996); 17, Report Proceedings 48Report Proceedings at 116 of of (Oct. 1996). 21, 1996). (Oct. Proceedings 21, 49Report at 97 (Oct. 1996). Proceedings 50Report at 99 51Id. at 100.

52Id. (Oct. 1996). Proceedings

53Report at 98-99 you?” said, “Well, mean I happened?” “Well, “No.” what pepper my said, touched me and then he I put ear.” And your said, “Yeah, “Pepper ear?” And he red pepper my of, I just ear.” And at him okay, dropped looked kind said.[54] it. And that was all On November MM took Z to a sexual assault physical spoke center for Z examination. The doctor asking alone, after MM to wait outside. When the doctor anyone asked Z if had ever touched him or him made feel yes, uncomfortable, Z head then shook his said “Tom.”55 When Z, the doctor asked Tom done Z said, what had “He touched me.”56When the doctor asked when Tom had long ago.”57 Z “A him, said, touched time When the doctor feeling yes now, asked if Z was safe he shook his head grandma’s.”58 said, “Yes, I’m at asked When doctor Tom whether had touched him one time or than more one time, Z one said time.59When the doctor asked Tom where pointed him, had touched Z to his bottom.60When the doc touching tor felt, asked how the had Z it said felt “uncomf ortable.”61 When hurt, the doctor asked whether it had Z again said it “was uncomfortable.” When the doctor asked if Tom him clothes, touched on his Z had skin or his my touching said, “On skin.” When if the doctor asked body inside, occurred on the or outside said inside.62When the asked if doctor knew what had him, touched he said he couldn’t tell. When the doctor anyone asked whether else had ever touched him made (Oct. 1996). 54Report Proceedings at 130-31 *11 (Oct. 1996). 21, 55 Report Proceedings at 56 Id.

57 Id.

58 Id.

59Id.

60Id.

61Id. .

62Id. at 145-46. Overall, Z doctor uncomfortable, said no. him feel had touching happened Z be “that saying perceived it skin, he didn’t what bottom, and that know on his done touching.”63 that had was for the physical had MM return to the room The doctor Z’s The doctor concluded that of the examination. portion actually normal, and that was “[i]t were genitals anus trial, however, exam.”64 She testified at normal pretty examination is “not inconsistent” physical normal “even anal inter intercourse, anal and that after with course, are very findings.”65 there few MM and Mat- early

In late December November Z to five back to house. continued Karpenski’s thew moved ‍‌​‌‌‌​​​​‌‌‌‌​‌‌​​​​​‌​​‌​​‌‌‌‌‌​‌‌‌​‌‌‌‌​‌​‌‌‌​‍grandparents. with his maternal 18, 1996, the with January charged Karpenski

On State rape one count of first of a child violation of RCW degree 9A.44.073. health

Around at the of Z’s mеntal April suggestion MM Z. counselor, began “reality checking” According MM, Z we do with he’s this involved “exercises telling story really us a and we’re not sure.”66 8, 1996, the child deputy

On October interviewer again prep interviewed Z. This interview was prosecutor trial, aration which on October begin was MM Once directed to remain outside.67 After again, simple answer some deputy prosecutor questions lie, he the truth and a about the difference between Ac touching that happened.” [Z] about “questioned before, interviewer, start, as he had cording to the did 63Id. at 146. 1996). (Oct.

64Report Proceedings at 147 65Id. at 148. (Oct. 1996).

66Report Proceedings at 37 Z, being put “felt questions and she she could overhear 67 MMlater testified 1996). (Oct. 17, they Report Proceedings Accord suggestive.” were later, her, say, anything,” “I ing do and then also heard Z “Tom didn’t she Id. at don’t remember.” 59-60. *12 by saying contrary, he could not remember.68On the “actu ally, he described an incident Tom’s hands on his private”69; specifically, claimed, more he now for the first private, time, “that Tom’s had his hands touched private, genital indicated front his area.”70 Z Because expressly happened”71 during had “said that never the “fo deputy rensic earlier, interview” held eleven months prosecutor up “ask[ing] questions followed him some touching.”72 responded, about other kinds of “I don’t prompted know,” which child interviewer to intervene things and ask “if he told me about some other that happened.”73 yes, Z said but that he did want to talk things.74 again Soon, however, about those he described an rape—although differently anal much from before. When prosecutor your [Tom] asked, did “What touch back private your hanger” butt said, with?” Z coat “With a “felt cold.”75 day 16, 1996,

On Octоber before was to start, trial charging the State amended the information to add a count degree first child molestation. The count was new based on allegation fondling had first made in the October 8 interview. morning

On 17, 1996, of October the trial court held competency hearing. only brief witness, Z was the and he dispute. was not asked about the He events answered appropriately it when asked whether would be the truth or say donkey, a lie to was a whether it would be say pink elephant truth or a lie to inwas the back of the (Oct. 1996). Proceedings 68Report of at 122-24 69Id. at 122.

70 Id.at 123.

71 Id.

72Id. at 124.

73Id. at 125.

74Id. (Oct. 1996). 75Report Proceedings at to tell the truth without He expressly promised courtroom. follows: stories, but then testified as making up old; is that Q: [Z], years right? you you said were seven A. Yeah. brother, Matthew, born?

Q. your youDo remember when *13 I he was A. can’t remember when born.

Q. youDo remember when— me, right He same time. A. was born after Q. you At same time as were born? I then second.

A. was first and he was time, Well, you Q. Okay. you say the same what do mean? uhm, and, ‘69, as

A. same time I was born Q. brother, your How old is Matthew?

A. Two.

Q. you’re seven, If two and can he be born at he’s how

some time? Well, my—because of us A. because—because there was two my mommy’s tummy, separate—we

and—in but we were my up were I separate, because was hooked this side Matthew] mommy’s tummy Chewy [Z’s nickname for up mommy’s tummy. was hooked this side Q. talking And we’re about Matthew? Uh-huh,

A. and me. you some Q. Okay. you’re And born at the sure were time? out, stitch Uh-huh, they got they me had to

A. because after Chewy was part I out and then—and then where came me, all off they after because had drain out the blood me cord. and cut umbilical Q. you he taken out? long How after were out was Well, my A. mommy push my then baby—and

then Tom’s little baby came out.

Q. And that’s Matthew? Yep.

A. Q. But you dо know how long you after were out that hap-

pened? A. How long Uhm, was I out? they dry had to my off blood they then put had to case, me this little this little

bed in a thing. And after, then—and that, then after after Chewy born, then my mommy came over to me and holes, them little put she her hands in the holes and she my rubbed forehead.

Q. And you that’s when just were a tiny little baby? A. IYep. was about long. (Indicating) Q. You’re like an ant there. Yeah,

A. I know.

Q. pretty That’s small.

A. Yep.

Q. you Yeah. Do any have other brothers or sisters? I just him, A. have I just Matthew. have Matthew.

Q. youDo live with right Matthew now? A. No. He—he lives with Tom and mommy, I and live with

my pa grandma and and [aunt]. Q. Right, okay, you’re And sure that’s— A. Uh-huh.

Q. your brother, —as far as Matthew, being born— Yeah, A. uh-huh.

Q. —you’re sure he was born the way you just described? A. Right Uh-huh. after I was.

Q. Okay.[76:i hearing, competency the trial court end At the confusing opinion in which it oral rendered somewhat entirety, opinion competent. that oral Quoted its found as follows: was not

Well, testify possibly an event that he could [Z] did as to mean, understanding, as far as I’m beyond I it’s have.recalled. concerned, he in the room his little that would be same when brother, Matthew, to recall impossible was It is him born. he like and what when was born what he looked occurred. apparent testifying regarding It is to me was here [Z] reality. versus And I testifying this that he was as dream enough I that confused and don’t think he old think was confusion, reality from fact. separate be able testify demon- However, competency far as as questions regard- memory a sufficient and to understand strate event, event, ing an an actual that has been demonstrated here. testify.[77] finding competent

I’m to make a that he is going only opinion oral This is our indication trial court’s reasoning, findings for it сhose to enter of fact. written

Following competency hearing, the trial held a court gener- hearsay hearing testified, at which several witnesses ally Karpenski’s ruled, as set forth above. The court over objection, admissible. that Z’s statements were

Following hearsay hearing, court commenced jury oath trial. After took the was first witness. responded preliminaries, he what was asked various happened. replied, “I He He can’t remember.”78 coming he remembered to the court then asked whether replied talking He house and to the child interviewer. *15 1996). (Oct. 17, 76Report Proceedings at 21-24 Id. at 31. 78d. at did,

he that and “front Karpenski’s private” touched skin,” his “front private,” “the while he was out of his bag with his on.79 sleeping clothes The then prosecutor him reminded that when he had talked to the child interviewer, “she your that his touched thought private back Did she private. get right get that or did she that mixed Z up?”80 replied “got right,” she and that that that his “back had been touched private” Karpenski’s “front said private.” He that had been Karpenski’s “private” “soft as a worm” at the it had time; “inside”; that and gone that it had still” “stayed rather than moving around.81 This had occurred during night, while he was “still asleep,” not just asleep.82 to be The next pretending morning, said, he had informed mother of what had happened.

The MM, other witnesses trial were Z’s maternal grandmother, R, interviewer, the child the doctor who had performed physical, counselor, Z’s mental health Karpenski. Karpenski testified that he had not Z in abused any The way. mental health counselor said that he had not asked Z that abuse; about sexual he had not heard men- abuse; tion had, sexual but that he during therapy ses- sions, could tell the difference between thought reality The fantasy. essentially other witnesses testified as set forth The added Z had grandmother above. lived full- 1995; worker, time with her since care July day as a she signs was trained look for of sexual abuse chil- dren; and that she had with Z. any not seen such signs convicted on both counts. jury According Karpen- ski, he could not a SSOSA qualify for sentence because he

79 Id. at 194-95.

80Id.

81 Id. at 195-96.

82Id. at 197.

99 relinquish The innocence. trial court not his claim of would years.83 prison half him to for seven and one committed major appeal. Karpenski first, In makes two claims by admitting argues Z’s trial court erred he tried testimony, incompetent In be a witness. because was by argues admit- he that the trial court erred second, they ting statements, because were Z’s various out-of-court hearsay. each thus consider inadmissible We unreliable separately. claim COMPETENCY

I. just Karpenski’s noted, claim that the trial As first is testify by finding competent at trial. We court erred agree.

Every person competent “except is to be a as witness by provided otherwise statute or court rule.”84 competency statutes, in various rules cases formulate ways. provides person One that a not be formulation “shall testify” incapable competent “appear[s] if he or she receiving just [he impressions respecting facts, which truly.”85 [such facts] relating is] A examined, or or of she provides second, similar formulation that a child shall not competent testify “do[es] if he not be or she have just capacity receiving impressions of the facts about do[es] [he is] . . . have the or she examined or which II, to run 90 I and 68 months оn count 83The sentence was months on count concurrently. significantly Rule ER 601 84ER 601. rule from Federal 601.” This “differs Washington cmt.; see Judicial Council also 5C B. Tegland, Karl Practice: Courtroom (“Rule (1999) Washington fundamentally differ- 255 is Handbook on Evidence rule.”). result, competency corresponding federal cases ent from the federal As Washington. limited are of value 5.60.050(2). 208, See, A.E.P., 223, e.g., Dependency 135 Wn.2d 85RCW In re (1998); County No. P.2d 297 Snohomish PUD 105 Wn.2d Jenkins v. (1986); Pham, 879 P.2d 321 State v. P.2d 79 A capacity relating truly.”86 [such third formula facts] tion provides competent that a witness is if he she or “has sufficient mental capacity understand the nature and “ oath,” of an if obligation he or she possesses ‘suf ficient mind and memory observe, recollect, and narrate ”87 he has A things seen heard.’ fourth formulation provides test of general competency is whether witness “understands nature of oath and is capable a correct account of giving [or what has seen and she] A heard.”88 fifth formulation provides that a witness if competent he or ability “ha[s] she to understand the relate underlying truthfully events and them in court.”89 A *17 sixth formulation provides:

The test of competency young true the of a child as witness (1) following: of the consists an the understanding obliga (2) speak stand; tion to the truth on the the witness mental at the capacity time of the occurrence which concerning he is (3) to to testify, ‍‌​‌‌‌​​​​‌‌‌‌​‌‌​​​​​‌​​‌​​‌‌‌‌‌​‌‌‌​‌‌‌‌​‌​‌‌‌​‍it; receive an accurate impression of memory to sufficient retain an independent recollection of the occur (4) rence; the to in capacity express memory words his of the (5) occurrence; capacity simple ques to understand it.[90] tions about formulations, any

Under of these competenсy 6.12(c). See, e.g., 638, 641, 873, Stange, App. 86 CrR State v. 53 769 P.2d Wn. denied, (1989); 661, Przybylski, App. 664, review 113 Wn.2d State 1007 v. 48 Wn. (1987). 739 P.2d 1203 (1984) Ryan, 165, 171, (quoting 87 State v. 103 Wn.2d 23, 197 691 P.2d State v. Moorison, 28-29, (1953)); Pham, App. 43 Wn.2d 259 P.2d see 75 1105 also Wn. at 629. Allen, 238, 241, (1965); 88 State v. 67 Wn.2d 406 P.2d 950 see also State v. Froehlich, 301, (1981); Pethoud, 276, 96 Wn.2d 635 P.2d 127 State v. Wn.2d 53 278, (1958); Moorison, 27; Watkins, 1092 at P.2d 43 Wn.2d State v. 71 Wn. 164, 169, (1993); Smith, 251, App. App. 857 P.2d 300 State v. 30 Wn. 633 P.2d (1982). (1981), aff'd, 97 Wn.2d 801 89 Watkins, 170, n.4; Gitchel, App. App. 71 Wn. see v. 41 Wn. also State (1985). 824, 706 P.2d 1091 (1967). also, Allen, 690, 692, e.g., 90 Statev. 70 Wn.2d 424 P.2d 1021 See In re A.E.P., Dependency 223; County 135 Wn.2d at v. Snohomish PUD No. Jenkins 101; 434, 437, Wyse, (1967); Wn.2d State v. 71 Wn.2d 429 P.2d 121 State Hunsaker, 489, 491, (1984); Smith, App. v. 39 Wn. 693 P.2d 724 State v. 633 P.2d 137 preliminary questions of turns on three basic a witness witness, her at the time of or fact.91One is whether the (i.e., “testimony”), her is describ in-court statement his or accurately capacity ing or to an that he she had the event (or, perceive terms, event about which alternative just impressions”). Another is or could “receive she her in-court witness, at the time of his or state whether the capacity describing ment, that he or she an event has accurately witness, A third to recall. is whether describing an statement, is event time of his or her in-court accurately capacity relate. The that he or she has the (a) following: question into at least the third subdivides capacity simple the witness has the to understand whether (b) questions event; whether the has about witness capacity express memory event; or her words his (c) speak capacity in the whether the has the witness (d) setting; has the formal courtroom whether witness (e) distinguish capacity falsehood; and truth from capacity to understand and whether carry witness has the obligation speak out his her truth.92 dispositive question Z had here is whether distinguish capacity truth from falsehood.93The trial question necessarily implicitly court but resolved that ruling under favor of the We the trial court’s State. review *18 Watkins, (“Ordinarily, competency App. of a is 71 at 170 the witness 91 See Wn. court.”). question preliminary trial See also State a fact to he determined the (1988) (ER Leavitt, 66, 70, 104(a), preliminary fact 111 758 P.2d 982 the v. rule, Wn.2d 492, 488, Jones, competency 772 P.2d hearing); v. 112 Wn.2d controls State (same). (1989) credibility. questions Incidentally, these involves 496 none of three accurately capacity perceive, Competency possesses a the is whether witness correctly exercising Credibility the is is recall and relate. whether witness former; jury judge the capacity possesses. The trial decides the that he or she decides latter. the (at 1, of County 105 at 102 time v. PUD No. Wn.2d 92 SeeJenkins Snohomish truth, statement, prove making offered at trial to its later an out-of-court truth”; obligation “knew difference his to tell the the declarant “understood falsehood”; capacity to understand ... “had mental between truth words”). express simple ability questions”; and “the his recollection supports focusing question, record we do not indicate that the 93In on this one just ad- need not be It is that the others an affirmative answer to others. dressed. 102

the so-called of “abuse discretion” standard.94 We can apply (A) if that standard rationally only we first understand (B) nature trial court’s discretion and the nature of our Thus, own discretion.95 we begin with those matters.

A. judge trial decides preliminary questions of 104(a).96 fact doing so, under ER In he or she does not always exercise the same kind of discretion. When dealing preliminary some questions, judge inquires whether the evidence is sufficient to support finding the needed When dealing fact.97 with other such questions, judge inquires whether evidence preponderates favor the needed fact.98 The important difference Although only question concerning states that the Z’s concurrence/dissent competence apparent inability distinguish at trial from arises truth from falsity, suggests concerning aspects competency, the record serious doubt all of Z’s including perception, recollection, and narration. We limit our discussion to Z’s ability distinguish falsity enough truth from because that is resolve this mean, however, aspects competency case. That does not other of Z’s are question. not in 94 Watkins, Avila, App. 731, 735, App. 71 Wn. at 170. See also State v. 78 Wn. (1995); Johnson, 11 App. 459, (1981), 899 P.2d v. State Wn. 28 624 P.2d 213 'd, cases, appellate 96 Wn.2d 926 In some it is stated that an court will aff only Smith, E.g., reverse 801, for a “manifest” abuse of discretion. State v. 97 Wn.2d (1982); Pham, Watkins, App. 629; 650 P.2d 201 State v. 75 Wn. 71 App. at appellate Wn. if This statement is nonsensical taken to mean that an uphold long court will an abuse discretion so as the abuse is “manifest.” not abused) (i.e., can 95Noone determine whether a court trial exceeded its discre- knowing tion without the nature and Nor boundaries of discretion. can anyone appellate determine whether court is entitled substitute its view for understanding ap- the trial court’s view without nature boundaries pellate court’s discretion. judge questions 96Wedo not whether consider the trial resubmits such to the jury. separate question presented is a That here. 97Examplesinclude, to, conditionally are but not limited whether evidence is relevant, 104(b); 602; personal knowledge, ER has whether witness ER whether authentic, tangible 901; purported original writing, evidence is ER and whether a recording that, photograph is in fact ER 10P8. 98 Examplesinclude, to, hearsay-related questions are but not limited most preliminary fact, States, 171, 175, Bourjaily v. United 483 U.S. 107 S. Ct. (7th Franco, (1987); 1989); L. Ed. 2d United States v. 874 P.2d Cir. 1139 286-87, P,2d Condon Bros., Co., Simpson Inc. v. Timber

103 reject judge may inferences whether the it controls because inquir- may judge proponent; not when to the favorable may judge ing sufficient, is but the evidence whether preponderates. inquiring the evidence whether judge question then, faced here, whether a trial One is preliminary competency-related question fact of with a inquires (a) support a is sufficient the evidence whether (b) preponder finding fact, the evidence or whether that Borland,99 Division fact. In State v. ates in favor of that question. stated: One that It addressed discretion must be judge’s of the trial Although the exercise to select entire the court is entitled testimony, based on the greater persuasive on the portions value which have it is probably no area of law where ultimate issue. There is necessary great reliance on the trial court’s place more assessing competency than in a child witness. judgment body language, judge position The trial is a to assess the thereof, and all the speaking, lack the manner of hesitation or significant but are not intangibles that are evaluation record.[100] reflected in a written judge’s trial ask are not with a These remarks ing consistent asking judge sufficient, is for the evidence whether portions [of not “entitled which the evi to select greater persuasive dence] have value.”101These remarks asking judge’s the evi are a trial whether consistent with judge asking preponderates, “entitled to for a that is dence portions greater persuasive value.” have the select which judge Accordingly, addresses conclude that when a trial we preliminary competency-related question fact, he or (1998); methodology underlying is reliable novel scientific evidence whether the Dow, n.10, admission, enough 509 113 S. Ct. Daubert v. Merrell U.S. 592 questions prelimi (1993), privilege-related L. Ed. 2d 469 125 most United, Zolin, 554, 566, 104(a); nary 109 S. Ct. 491 U.S. fact. See ER States v. (1989). L. Ed. 2d 469 denied, App. 786 P.2d review Wn.2d

99 57Wn.

100Borland, 10-11. determining say judge way stating idea is to the same 101Another may reject evidence or inferences favorable is sufficient whether the evidence proponent. to the she has inquire discretion to whether the evidence prepon- derates favor of that fact.

B. identify To the of nature the trial court’s discre not, course, tion is identify to the nature of our own on discretion appeal. When trial function is to judge’s decide whether the is evidence sufficient to find support a ing, reviewing court’s function will be the same.102When a trial function judge’s is to decide whether the evidence preponderates, a reviewing may may court’s function or be not the same. If the court’s information is as reviewing good court’s, better than the trial the court reviewing will sometimes be its permitted view, substitute own court103; the without deference to trial but if reviewing the good court’s information is not the court’s, as as trial the reviewing court will limit to deciding itself whether the ev idence is support sufficient what the trial court did.104 here,

Another question then, an appellate is whether charged sufficiency determining 102The a trial is reason court with is that it so fact-finding jury. will not on the encroach function of If trial court the the should is encroach, appellate Thus, the court not should either. when the trial court deciding sufficiency, appellate Perhaps limited to court should also. be example reasoning summary judgment process, most common is this where appellate perform trial function—deciding sufficiency. both See, courts the same Pharm., e.g., Inc., Young Key 216, 226, (1989); v. 112 Wn.2d 770 P.2d 182 State, 302, 311, v. Hontz 105 Wn.2d 714 P.2d 1176 equal Jenkins, (appellate trial 103Information court’s: 105 Wn.2d at 102 competency court reviewed de trial novo—without deference—where court’s deci wholly documents, appellate sion was based court had all the documents it). Jones, 302, superior before Information to trial court’s: State v. 130 Wn.2d 307, (1996); Cauthron, 879, 887, 922 P.2d 806 State v. 502 120 Wn.2d 846 P.2d (1993) (appellate court de reviews novo—without deference—trial court’s deter process generally accepted mination that community; is scientific or is not the scientific may appellate appropriate court use in scientific literature and other record). formation, Fenney, whether or not in trial court See also v. 448 State (Minn. 1989) 54, (question electrophoretic testing N.W.2d 58 of whether dried United, Frye novo, Frye bloodstains is one meets test of law and is reviewed de v. (D.C. States, 1923)); Lykus, 293 F. 1013 Cir. Commonwealth v. 367 Mass. (1975) (appellate N.E.2d court examined other decisions from evidence). jurisdictions journals and scientific as well as trial (determination 104Allen,70 Wn.2d at 692 of matters not reflected in the writ discretion); judge’s Sardinia, ten record are trial within State v. Wn. (1986) (“Because judge 713 P.2d 122 the trial witnessed the child’s manner preliminary question reviewing competency-related court sup inquires evidence is sufficient of fact whether preponderates ruling, port the evidence or whether entirely judge’s ruling. If the triаl basis favor appellate appear documentary, in the and the documents good appellate is as information as record, the court’s may appellate its court’s, court substitute trial and the deferring competency trial without own view of ruling.105 and evaluated But if the trial court saw court’s ap person, better than the its information the witness appellate pellate limit itself to court’s, court will and the support determining whether the is sufficient evidence proposition, ruling.106Regarding this last the trial court’s recently Supreme Court said: primarily rests competency The determination *21 manner, witness, and who notices his judge trial sees that intelligence. These are matters capacity considers his and appellate not in the written record for review. are reflected lies discretion of the Their determination within the sound in appeal trial and will not be the absence judge disturbed discretion.[107] proof abuse of of manifest Finally, precise question posed then, to the we come Taking the record “abuse of standard: so-called discretion” judge light State, to the could trial most favorable answers, position than to make the deter- and heard he is in a better we are her competency.”). of her mination 105Jenkins, 105 Wn.2d reviewing may court also examine whether the trial understood 106The court law, proposition does not to be issue here. but that seem 613, Allen, Swan, See 70 114 790 P.2d 610 also 107State v. Wn.2d (determination record are not reflected the written Wn.2d at 692 matters Collier, discretion); P.2d judge’s 23 162 267 State v. Wn.2d within trial (1945) Sardinia, Ruling 465, 53); § (quoting State v. Wn. from 28 Law Case (“Because judge and heard her

App. the child’s manner at 537 the trial witnessed of her answers, position he in a than we are to make determination is better (1987); Justiniano, P.2d competency.”); State v. 48 Wn. Przybylski, App. at 665. State v. reasonably likely find it to be more true than not true that capable distinguishing falsity? Z was truth from

C. competency The answer no. is At outset of the hear ing, solemnly “promised Z took the oath and to tell the everything promised truth about that He also happened.”108 up any stories.”109 “make later, Moments he was describing younger in vivid detail he and how his brother ap had been born same time. theAs State notes on peal, impossible “This is because Z is seven his little “impos noted, brother is As the trial court this is two.”110 “beyond understanding” sible” because is it Z that was in sug the room when his little brother was No one born.111 gests intentionally lying; Z that was it seems he that actu ally saying, merely believed what he and that he was manifesting long-standing, inability often-observed distinguish what was true from what was not. The trial expressly “testifying] court found Z that was as anto event possibly he could not recalled”; have that he was regarding reality”; “confused” “dream versus enough separate was “not old to be able to that confu Inexplicably, however, sion.” competent it then concluded Z that was testify. opinion only is our It that the reason expressed by able view record is the this one the trial capacity distinguish Z court—that lacked the truth from Accordingly, we falsehood. hold that the evidence insuf support finding capable ficient to that was distin falsity, guishing incompetent truth from that was testify.

n. HEARSAY Karpenski’s hearsay second claim is that Z’s statements (Oct. 1996). 17, Proceedings 108Report of at 17 109id. Resp’t

110Br.of at 14. (Oct. 1996). 17, 111Report Proceedings of at 31

107 child interviewer 1995, to the July in the father twins’ on 1995, deputy prosecutor the 14, and to on November RCW 9A.44.120112 under 8, were inadmissible October 1996 true, he This is clause. federal confrontation and the hearsay renders “Z’s contends, incompetence because unreliable,”113 Ryan the so-called and because statements To these the State. understand by not shown factors were hearsay contentions, exceptions understand we must first in general. confronta of and the federal

Under the rules evidence to admit a clause, who wants proponent tion of reliability.”114 indicia statement must show “sufficient totality such indicia from the may derive proponent making “that of state of circumstances surround worthy of ment that render the declarant particularly belief,”115 contents of statement including provides: 9A.44.120 112RCW any age describing by ten act A made a child when under the of statement another, by . performed child . . otherwise of contact with or sexual rule, dependency or court is admissible evidence admissible statute proceedings

proceedings 13 and criminal ... the courts under Title RCW Washington if: of the of state (1) finds, hearing presence in a conducted outside The court time, content, provide jury, suf- and circumstances the statement reliability; indicia ficient

(2) The child either:

(a) proceedings; at the Testifies (b) PROVIDED, child is un- as a witness: That when the Is unavailable witness, may only as a be admitted if there is corrob- available such statement of the act. orative evidence Appellant 113Br. at 37. 2d Wright, 110 Ct. 111 L. Ed. 638 v. S. 114 Idaho U.S. (1990); Ryan, 708, 715,

(1990); Whelchel, P.2d State v. State v. Wn.2d (1984); 801-05. 691 P.2d 197 see ER 103 Wn.2d Similarly, Washington Supreme has said Court 115Wright, at 819. 497 U.S. purposes of RCW 9A.44.120: Adequate reliability in referenсe to circumstances must be found indicia statement, from surrounding making and not of the out-of-court guaranties “The subsequent criminal act. circumstantial corroboration *23 108

itself.116 The not proponent may derive such indicia from circumstances that were not at the existence time and of the place making statement, for that would allow hearsay unreliable be “by statement admitted merely on the bootstrapping ‍‌​‌‌‌​​​​‌‌‌‌​‌‌​​​​​‌​​‌​​‌‌‌‌‌​‌‌‌​‌‌‌‌​‌​‌‌‌​‍trustworthiness of at other evidence trial.”117 In short, the proponent must produce only hearsay itself, statement but also reliability indicia of show, as the time made, the statement was its probable of reliability.

Every hearsay of exception recognized the law evidence describes indicate, circumstances thought part, that a hearsay statement probably reliable when made.118The be description may specific119 but general,120 it invariably involves circumstances that surround the mak- specific hearsay of exceptions trustworthiness on which the various to the rule are based are those that existed at the time the statement was made and do may. by using hindsight.”

not include those that be added Ryan, (quoting Corp., 286, 103 Wn.2d at 174 v. White Motor 609 F.2d 292 Huff (7th 1979)). Interestingly, Wright Ryan. Wright, Cir. Court cited on and relied 497 U.S. at 821. 889, Doe, 896, (1986); Bourjaily 116State v. 105 Wn.2d 554 719 P.2d see also v. States, 171, (1987). 178-79, United 483 U.S. 107 S. Ct. 97 L. Ed. 2d 144 823; 117 Wright, 174; Ryan, Frey, App. 497 U.S. at 103 Wn.2d at State v. 43 Wn. (1986). n.9, 611 P.2d 718 846 118 Ryan, (quoting 103 Corp., Wn.2d at 174 White Motor 609 F.2d at 292 Huff v. (“The guarantees specific circumstantial of on trustworthiness which the various exceptions to the rule are based are those that existed the time the may by using statement was made and do not include those be added see, hindsight.”)); (same); Wright, e.g., 497 U.S. 820 ER 803-04. Whether the given States, hearsay-related preliminary described question in a circumstances exist case is Bourjaily 171, 175, fact. v. United 483 U.S. S. 107 Ct. 97 (7th (1987); Franco, 1989); L. Ed. 2d 144 v. United States 874 F.2d 1139 286-87, Cir. Bros., Co., Simpson App. v. Condon Inc. Timber P.2d 966 355 (1998). 803(2), example, requires

119ER for “the stress excitement.” Washington, example, requires 120In RCW 9A.44.120 “sufficient indicia (FRE) (not reliability.” system, adopted In the federal Fed. R. Evid. 807 Washington) similarly requires guarantees “circumstantial of trustworthiness.” prohibit generalized provisions. The federal confrontation clause does not these 170; Wright, 820-21; Ryan, Griffith, U.S. 103 Wn.2d at State v. Wn. 728, 737, P.2d 247 is general, If the description statement.121 ing circum by listing specific to make it more may try courts RCW reliability. example, For to bear thought stances content, circum time, only states “that 9A.44.120 indicia relia the statement sufficient provide stances of v. Ryan,123 in State Washington So, Supreme bility.”122 RCW applying a trial court Court held that when *24 circumstances: 9A.44.120, it consider nine specific should (2) (1) lie; a motive to the child’s whether the child had (3) one more than veracity; character for whether general (4) statements124; the the whether person heard child’s (5) timing made the spontaneously; child’s statements were the declar relationship of declaration and the between the (6) witness; the statement contains ant and the whether (7) fact125; examina- assertion of whether cross express past 121 See, exceptions example, codified in ER 803-04. for part Ryan, passing 103 at 177. note in that this of RCW 122 Seealso Wn.2d We Wright, U.S. by the federal clause. 497 9A.44.120 is mandated confrontation (“[U]nless reason, arising from the circumstances under 821 an affirmative made, rebutting presumption provides which the a basis statement trial, worthy hearsay is not of reliance at the Confrontation that a Clause statement statement.”). requires of the exclusion out-of-court (1984). 165, 175-76, 123 103 691 P.2d 197 Wn.2d pro- exception require proponent any hearsay is 124Thefunction of hearsay demonstrating that the declarant’s statement is duce circumstances (i.e., reliable), probably thereby supplanting the need to cross-examine true supports finding hearsay state- declarant. This third factor that declarant’s made, says nothing it the declarant’s but little or about whether ment was hearsay significance to indicia of reli- was true. Its the existence of statement ability is minor at best. 88, Evans, 74, S. is v. U.S. 91 Ct. factor drawn from Dutton 400 125 Thissixth (1970). murder, case, charged 210, A 27 Ed. 2d 213 In that and B were L. trial, separately. his cell At offered B’s statement to but A was tried State A, Supreme mate, Court I in this “If it weren’t for wouldn’t be now.” implicate falsely, expressly intending if A he would have reasoned that B were asserted, A, it,” stating obliquely, “If I it weren’t for wouldn’t “A did rather than past Thus, felt, express of of an assertion in this the Court the absence be now.” is made. This idea of that B’s statement was reliable when fact tended to show 9A.44.120, applying statements offered under use RCW for most little Leavitt, 66, 75, express past v. 111 Wn.2d fact. See State statute are assertions 488, 498, of S.S., App. P.2d (1988); Dependency 814 204 114 In 61 Wn. P.2d982 re 758 (1991); denied, Borland, App. 786 P.2d review State v. 57 Wn. 638, 644-47, (1990); App. P.2d review Stange, Wn. 769 State v. 53 Wn.2d 1026 however, demonstrates, of a denied, that the contents It 113 Wn.2d 1007 (8) tion could show declarant’s lack of knowledge126; whether the,possibility faulty declarant’s recollection (9) remote127; whether the circumstances surround ing the statement such are there is no reason to sup the declarant pose misrepresented defendant’s involvem ent.128 Each of these is both non- circumstances (a hearsay may assessing rеliability statement be pro- used when a statement’s Doe, “bootstrapping”). Bourjaily, 178; cess sometimes called See 483 U.S. at Wn.2d at 896. 126Although Dutton, originated this seventh factor disap- also it was later proved Supreme the United States Court. Because it does surround the place statement, making may time and of the of the it not be used show that hearsay Wright, (having the declarant’s statement is reliable. 497 U.S. at particularized guarantees held that of trustworthiness “must from be shown totality making statement,” . circumstances . . that surround the “although plurality Court said that corroborating of the Court in Dutton v. Evans looked to determining particular evidence as one four factors whether possessed reliability, presence statement sufficient indicia of we think the corroborating appropriately any of ting presuming evidence more indicates that error in admit- might harmless, any the statement be rather than that basis exists for Borland, trustworthy”); App. the declarant to be see also (“overwhelming making 18-19 evidence” extrinsic to the of the declarant’s state- say ment led the Dutton Court to that cross-examination could not show Leavitt, knowledge); 75; Dependency S.S., declarant’s lack of 111 Wn.2d at Wn. at 498. *25 eighth originated 127This implicates factor also in Dutton. Insofar as it circum surrounding statement, hearsay stances not bearing its use as a factor reliability 819, disapproved. Wright, Perhaps has since been 497 U.S. at 823. more importantly, it seems to be an alternative formulation of the conclusion to be reached, conclusion; opposed say a reaching as for reason that a state by faulty recollection, perceрtion, simply ment is not affected or narration is assert, using negative language, Dependency that the is statement reliable. See of S.S., App. And, eighth all, proper duplicates 61 at if Wn. 499. this factor is at it a “already Parris, concern [State embraced within the fifth Parris factor v. 98 ” (1982)]: 140, Borland, timing Wn.2d App. 654 P.2d 77 ‘the of the declaration.’ 57 Wn. 19; Swan, (1990); at see also State v. 114 Wn.2d 790 P.2d 610 Leavitt, 111 Wn.2d at 75. is 128Thisninth factor also drawn from If it an Dutton. means that absence of supporting reliability, disapproved by circumstances can he a factor it has been (“unless Wright, reason, arising 497 atU.S. 821 from affirmative the circum- made, provides rebutting in stances presumption which the statement a was basis for the the trial, hearsay worthy that a is not reliance statement of at statement.”). requires Confrontation Clause means that the ability, exclusion of the If it reli- out-of-court presence supporting of certain circumstances can be a factor referring the circumstances the Dutton Court was were whether Borland, spontaneous against penal declarant’s statement was interest. 57 App. spontaneous by at Wn. 19. a is is thé Whether statement covered fourth fac- tor, against penal always and whether a statement is interest is almost immate- (“a applying Borland, App. rial when 57 RCW9A.44.120. Wn. at 19 child’s out-of-

111 are of doubtful val Several nonessential.130 exclusive129 case; of this purposes is not important but that idity,131 here. them, reach the same result we would or without reliability of that the indicia general, or specific Whether or are hearsay a exemption exception on the face of appear rule, a such by general themselves. As rarely “sufficiеnt” that the declar by showing be a accompanied indicia must made, the statement was knowledge ant had when personal child not shown and, young at when the declarant least trial, the declarant showing be at competent turn, We statement was competent made.132 in the context then, knowledge personal competence hearsáy. criteria statement satisfies the though hearsay Even or it hearsay exemption exception, set forth on the face of a made, if, at time it was the declarant cannot be reliable Generally, or without personal knowledge. wrote spoke then, show that the circumstances sur- must proponent statement, with the contents rounding coupled against penal recounting be the child’s sexual abuse will never court statement interest”). Dependencyof S.S., App. at 61 See also Wn. 176; (requiring guarantees 129Ryan, Wright, at Wn.2d at see also 497 U.S. 820 103 totality “particularized of circumstances demonstrate trustworthiness”); of A.E.P, Dependency 956 P.2d 297 In re 135 Wn.2d 130Swan, 652; Borland, App. 57 at 20. 114 Wn.2d at Wn. Dependencyof A.E.R, preceding re 135 See also In 131See seven footnotes. (“We recognize Ryan subsequently factors have

Wn.2d at 230-31 some reliability.”); Dependency being unhelpful determining as been criticized S.S., unhelpful App. (criticizing either all four Dutton factors as Wn. 497-99 (Dutton factors); Borland, App. encompassed factors in Parris 57 Wn. 16-20 determining under statements are admissible ROW are not useful which (1987) n.5, 9A.44.120); (Dutton Henderson, App. 740 P.2d v. 48 Wn. State very reliability helpful assessing state child factors (Dutton cases); Frey, factors do ments in most sexual abuse factors). reliability firmly “as as” Parris not indicate *26 language comрetent trial” is taken from Jenkins “not to be at 132The shown (1986). 99, 100, 1, County P.2d See also PUD 105 713 79 v. Snohomish No. Wn.2d (where children Ryan, did not determine whether Wn.2d at 174 trial court 103 testify trial, chil competent required “determine whether the it was to were statements”). they competent made the dren were when 112 itself, give

statement rise an inference of personal knowle dge.133

Even a though hearsay statement falls a hearsay within exemption if, it cannot be exception, reliable when it made, the declarant was incompetent.134 compe tency of most issue, declarants will not be in just as the of most trial is competency witnesses not issue. But when competency issue—as, of a declarant for example, a child is not young shown be trial competent at and the a opponent proper objection voices to the child’s hearsay pretrial statement—the demon proponent must strate only not circumstances described the face of a hearsay but also exception, showing circumstances that at of the hearsay statement the child was describing time event child had the capacity accurately perceive; accurately recall; and to accurately relate. It matters little whether these capacity-related circumstances Dye, 1, 9-10, 1113, (1939); 133 Beckv. 92 P.2d 200 Wash. 127 A.L.R. 1022 Advi (“In sory 803, 183, hearsay situation, Committee’s Note to FRE 56 F.R.D. 303 is, course, witness, the declarant [FRE 803] neither this rule nor Rule dispenses requirement knowledge.”); [FRE 804] 804 firsthand Advi sory 104, 183, (quoting Committee’s Note to FRE 56 F.R.D. T. 197 Mc Charles (1954) (“In 10,§ hearsay, enough, at 19 the case of it is Law Cormick, Evidence, appears opportunity if the [has] declarant ‘so far as hаd an to observe the fact ”)); here, specific pertinent declared.’ ER second sentence. For reasons very hearsay require personal exceptions knowledge. E.g., small number of do not 803(8)(c) (not (d)(2)(i); 801(d)(2)(iii); 803(22); ER adopted 801 ER ER FRE Lockwood, AC&S, Washington); Inc., 235, 258, (1987); v. 109 744 Wn.2d P.2d 605 Akstin, Janus v. 20 A.2d N.H. 101-03; 134Jenkins, 173-74; Ryan, 105 Wn.2d at 103 Wn.2d at State v. Justini (“We (1987) ano, 572, 578, App. inability 48 Wn. 740 P.2d 872 conclude that testify aof child witness to at trial does not render inadmissible the child’s long competent earlier out-of-court statement so as the child was then to make requirements such fied.”); other statement of RCW 9A.44.120 have been satis (“The S.S., Dependency App. see also 61 Wn. at 495 Gribble court Court, Washington Supreme Ryan, observed that the State in State v. . . . noted hearsay competent that the child declarant must be shown to be at the time the made.”); Gribble, App. statements are State v. the court 804 P.2d 634 (1991) (“In Ryan, competent v. said child be State must shown to be (citation omitted)); Jackson, time the statements are made” State v. (“On (1986) App. n.6, retrial, 46 Wn. determine the the time the statements were 730 P.2d 1361 the trial court must competency competency be a at trial her child’s witness made.”); Frey, Wn. at 611 n.9. *27 competency,” “competency-related “elements of are called reliability,” “particular- preliminary facts,” “indicia of any guarantees If is one of them of trustworthiness.” ized missing, hearsay be reliable. cannot the child’s statement Washington Supreme held twice, Court has

At the least young hearsay not of a child shown that the statement competent fails rehable if the record at trial cannot be be hearsay competent the the to show that declarant was case, v. Snohom made. In the first Jenkins statement was age County seven, Jenkins, was I,135 ish PUD No. Jonathan injured by electricity Sinka, Lance friend, after he and a power age In six, the fence of a substation. climbed over year deposition gave a later, Lance bizarre inconsis had done—so tent account of what he and Jonathan bizarre [then] that he “did not and inconsistent as to demonstrate memory independent sufficient to retain an recollec have convened, occurrence.”136When trial Lance was tion the give testimony, court in-court and the trial unavailable objection. deposition plaintiffs’ over On admitted the the though appeal, Supreme however, Even the Court reversed. hearsay deposition requirements of the the met the facial usually exception nonparty depositions,137 for Lance used capacity deposition, lacked, at the time of the accurately recall the at issue the case. events Ryan,138 young children case,

In the second State v. two hearsay alleging the de- made statements sexual abuse (1986). 135 105 P.2d 79 Wn.2d 136 Jenkins,105 Wn.2d at 102. 804(b)(1) hearsay exception nonparty depositions for offered 137 ER is

hearsay deposition be as provides face excluded It on its that a will use. against testify party hearsay at “the if declarant unavailable to trial and is opportunity testimony . . . and similar motive to is had an whom now offered nonparty develop testimony . . The in Jenkins offered Lance’s . .” defendant thus, therein; deposition deposition prove the of the matters asserted truth 804(b)(1) opinion hearsay play. The that Lance was ER came into states was plaintiffs had testify opinion аt The does not state that unavailable to trial. they examine, it opportunity but seems obvious that an and similar motive infer, then, deposition. competent We Lance time did—if Lance’s 804(b)(1). requirements of ER deposition met facial 165, 173, 138 103 691 P.2d Wn.2d

fendant. trial, Neither testified neither was shown to be competent trial. the trial court Although admitted statements, the Supreme Court reversed for failure to determine the declarants’ at the time the competency state- (with ments were made. The court said our interpretations brackets): The competency [at declarant’s his or time of her hearsay precondition statement] is a to admission of his hearsay statements as are other qualifications testimonial [ap- parently referring knowledge]. to personal merely rule safeguard additional test or

to be to applied testimonial evidence otherwise admissible. hearsay statements, The admission of of way exception rule, to the therefore assertor presupposes pos- sessed qualifications a witness regard ... to of knowledge and the like. (Footnote omitted.) (rev. § 5 J. at 255 Wigmore, Evidence 1974).

If the declarant of competent making the time statements, may the statements not be through introduced hearsay repetition.^139

Furthermore, the court applied holding by saying: its

The trial court did not determine whether the children were competent when made they they not, the statements. If were [140 their being statements must be excluded as unreliable. The court then remanded further proceedings.141 State v. case,

In a Hunt,142 third Division recognized One Jenkins, found in Ryan concepts but did not fully them to due It said: apply inadequate challenge bеlow. 139Ryan,103 Wn.2d at 173.

140Ryan, 103 Wn.2d (“On Jackson, retrial, App. 141See v. also State Wn. at 368 n.6 the trial competency court must determine the child’s be a trial and her witness at competency made.”); Frey, App. at the time the statements were at 611 n.9. 142 48 741 P.2d Wn. generally guaranties of circumstaiitial trustworthiness

The presup reliability hearsay of statements analyze the used to instances, possessed declarant hearsay that the pose, in most throughout the relevant degree capacity certain of mental lacking, the requisite capacity If mental time period. manner, the state time, making of and circumstances reliability to a determination ‍‌​‌‌‌​​​​‌‌‌‌​‌‌​​​​​‌​​‌​​‌‌‌‌‌​‌‌‌​‌‌‌‌​‌​‌‌‌​‍of may ment well be irrelevant however, accurate Here, capacity S’s mental receive .... accurately relate of the occurrence and to them impressions below; challenged do never nor the time of statement was chall any support record to such a we find evidence enge.[143] injected Jenkins nor new Ryan anything

Neither noted, Ryan of As the court into the law evidence. startling Wigmore long ago: said hearsay safeguard

The an additional test or merely rule is evidence otherwise admissible. applied be testimonial statements, of hearsay by way exception admission rule, presupposes possessed therefore the assertor knowledge and the qualifications regard a witness ... likeJ1443 for the Rules Similarly, Advisory Committee Federal situation, is, “In a declarant said, Evidence has nor Rule 804 course, witness, and neither [Rule 803] dispenses requirement knowledge.”145 with the firsthand *29 not underlying The ideas are that the should forward judge use, any rationally jury jury tо the statement the could not (citation omitted). 143Hunt, App. 48 Wn. at 844-45 (James 1424, 144Ryan (quoting § at 5 John 255 Henry Wigmore, at 173 Evidence 1974)). ed., H. Chadboum 803, 183, 303; 145Advisory Advi- FRE F.R.D. see also Committee’s Note to 56 (“The 183, 806, a sory 329 declarant of Committee’s to FRE 56 F.R.D. Note witness”); Advisory hearsay is is in effect a statement which admitted evidence § (quoting at 19 Note to FRE 56 F.R.D. 197 Committee’s McCormick, (“In appears had hearsay, enough, [has] ‘so far as the it is if the declarant case ”). hearsay is a wit- opportunity the declarant to observe fact declared.’ purpose as offered for the same ness his or her out-of-court statement because prove truth of the matter asserted. statement: to the an in-court witness’ in-court 803 and 804 cat- a witness that ER 806 exists. Rules It is because the declarant is hearsay exceptions. alogue of the most 116 jury rationally

and that the could use the statement of spoke knowledge personal a who declarant without or while incompetent—regardless of whether the declarant speaking deposition, excited, in a or within some other hearsay exception.146

Nothing hearsay we have said means statement young merely of a child is inadmissible because the child is incompetent testify young at trial.147 A child who lacks capacity to remember from the time of event (often years) period may time of trial a of months or none capacity theless have to remember from the time (often hearsay of event to the time of his or her statement period young a of minutes or A child who lacks hours).148 capacity to relate in the the event formal courtroom setting may capacity nonetheless have had the relate hearsay young event in an informal But a child setting.149 capacity distinguish who at lacks trial the truth from probably capacity falsehood when, also lacked that at an age, younger even a she made statement; capacity perceive and a child who lacked the the event when it cannot later occurred make reliable statement it, short, about whether in court or In outside court. incompetence reliability upon effect of at trial of a Wash, Dye, v. at 146 SeeBeck 200 9-10. 652; 147 Swan, Doe, 896; Dependency S.S., 114 Wn.2d at at 105 Wn.2d 495; 381-82; Gribble, Hunt, App. App. App. 61 Wn. at 60 Wn. at 48 Wn. at 845 (“We incompetency trial] therefore believe that a [at determination of would not unreliable.”); necessarily [hearsay] Przybylski, App. make the statements 48 Wn. (“We 664; Justiniano, App. inability at 48 at 578 Wn. conclude of a child testify witness to at trial not render earlier does inadmissible child’s out-of- long competent court so statement as the child was then to make such statement satisfied.”); requirements Griffith, and the been other of RCW 9A.44.120 have 45 733; App. Frey, App.

Wn. 43 at 611 at Wn. n.9. Hunt, S.S., App. 493; 148Dependency App. at Wn. at (“even 652; 149Swan, Justiniano, though Wn. Wn.2d setting express the child the mem- witness courtroom is unable words occurrence, trial, ory testify of the and is unable to the child thus nevertheless may competent previous be found to have been made a she out-of-court if, proper showing, capable statement court is satisfied that the child is receiving just impressions truly”). inquiry relating facts them under *30 the for in- to reason the hearsay according statement varies at trial. competence a must means that proponent wе have said

Nothing statement, hearsay show, admitting before a child’s always the at the time of that statement. competent child was is that in which the child is only case we consider do any at trial. We not consider competent shown to be in the child is case, including other kind of which trial,150 at and that testify found competent properly is or statement testimony hearsay the child’s trial which from the objection opponent.151 admitted specific without in have a trial to make requires judge we said Nothing normally more difficult than he or makes. quiries those she any To a declarant meets terms of decide whether the had hearsay example, whether the declarant exception—for lie or for general purposes motive to character good 9A.44.120, RCW or the declarant excited for whether was 803(2), ER the an purposes of or whether declarant was 801(d)(2)(iii), for of ER or agent purposes whether duty declarant acted under a business for of RCW purposes judge 5.45.020—the must examine the circumstances sur statement. To decide whether rounding hearsay declarant that he or she describing event had relate, recall, likewise capacity perceive, judge hearsay must examine the surrounding circumstances circumstances, In statement.152 such examining judge evidence, re not bound rules of those except competence 150Arguably, may a determination of at trial mean that the child hearsay competent, probably competent, also was or least at the time of the capacity accurately perceive, capacity he had that statement. If а child hearsay purposes. capacity If has the for both trial and trial, a child remember trial, capacities probably same time of and to relate at had those the earlier statement. object right object. 151Arguably, a failure to waives the (1987), Hunt, App. v. 741 P.2d 566 152Wedo not overlook State 48 Wn. cases, could, many “question[ed] trial which Division One whether the court competence any meaningful at the testimonial determine in sense declarant’s confidently yes, Hunt, We answer time of the at 846. statement.” routinely fairly given resolves a host of the reason in the text—the trial court 104(a); Bourjaily hearsay-related questions preliminary v. fact. See ER similar (1987); States, L. 107 S. 97 Ed. 2d United United 483 U.S. Ct. he or spect privileges, so she has broad discretion to require dispense witnesses, with live to use affidavits documents, and other to take into account oral *31 representations counsel, of and to employ other any proce dure to the appropriate case.153 most are in

Although Washington cases accord with what said, we of have two Court cases Appeals’ warrant further attention. They are State v. and Dependency of Gribble154 reasons, several For we find them unpersuasive. S.S.155

First, Gribble and S.S. Ryan. expressly contravene Each noted “that Ryan’s holding hearsay the child declarant must be shown to be the competent at time the [hearsay] are Each statements then concluded the exact op made.”156 “that a posite: of the finding reliability through Ryan use of factors is of sufficient assurance trustworthiness to make unnecessary an into inquiry competence testimonial at the time hearsаy the statements are made.”157 This conclusion itself, Ryan defies held that a Ryan trial court must the Ryan consider both factors and the declarant’s compe- (7th Franco, Bros., 1989); Simp- States v. 874 F.2d 1139 Cir. Condon Inc. v. (1998). Co., 275, 286-87, App. son Timber 92 Wn. 966 P.2d 355 104(a). provides: 153ER That rule questions Preliminary concerning qualification witness, person of a to he privilege, admissibility of a existence of evidence be shall determined (b). court, subject

by provisions making to the of In its determina- section except respect priv- tion it is bound the Rules Evidence those with ileges. personal knowledge, As to a declarant’s see ER 602. (1991). App. 374,

154 60Wn. 804 P.2d634 App. 155 61 Wn. P.2d S.S., 495; 156 Dependency App. Gribble, App. Wn. 61 Wn. see also at (“we 383; Gribble, 157 Gribble, App. App. 60 Wn. see also 60 Wn. at 382 hold reliability

that once the trial court has found sufficient indicia of make the admissible, hearsay necessary finding it statements is not to also make competence made”); Dependency testimonial S.S., at the time the statements are (Gribble “rejected at 495 that the trial Hunt notion court, finding hearsay statements, reliability of after sufficient indicia of the child How, finding separate competency.”) inquire, must also make a of testimonial we hearsay considering can a court find that a statement reliable child’s without competent whether the child was at the time? ignores It also tence at the time of statement. factors, Ryan ef- nature of the sketchy incomplete aids into a kind of them from flawed fectively transmuting clear, Ryan fac- Ryan As itself makes mantra or chant. exclusive, they do not intended be tors were never its all factors that duty relieve a trial court of consider statement, including beаr on at the time reliability recall, ability perceive, limited to the declarant’s but not and relate. fundamental and S.S. misunderstood the

Second, Gribble RCW exceptions, including most hearsay náture noting holding After court’s “that Ryan 9A.44.120. hearsay competent child declarant must be shown be made,” are and S.S. the time statements Gribble is no in the child requirement “[t]here observe such statute,”158 and a reason not to follow hearsay use as witness, Ryan. Because the declarant effect *32 exactly however,159 hearsay require most what exceptions held: cannot be reliable Ryan hearsay that statement the declarant the enough possessed admission unless the the of a witness at time statement was qualifications made.160

Third, holding Gribble and S.S. misconstrued the State S.S., v. Doe.161 to Gribble and the Doe court held According factors, it that once a trial court has the need applied Ryan not on the consider additional factors that bear whether hearsay declarant was at the time of the statem competent ent.162 held that a trial actuality, only In Doe court duty court not be relieved of its to consider whether would reliable, statement because hearsay merely was trial. The Doe court incompetent testify declarant was to at 495; Gribble, S.S., App. 158 Dependency App. 60 Wn. at 382. 61 Wn. at above, prove hearsay is 159 Asnoted the statement of a declarant offered In of an witness. truth of matter So is the statement in-court asserted. also effect, then, is a the declarant witness. Wash, 160 See,e.g., Dye, Beck v. at 9-10. P.2d 554

161 105Wn.2d 495; Gribble, S.S., App. 162 Dependency at 382. at Wn. did not a trial address factors that court should exam- ine discharging duty. when that mind,

With these in we turn principles facts of trial, this case. in I, At the time of the as section discussed Z lacked capacity distinguish truth from falsehood. At the hearsay statements, time of his he younger was and less he Thus, mature than was at the time of trial. the only reasonable inference available from this record that Z’s lack of at trial capacity also existed when he made his vari ous statements.163

We confirm this logic by examining Z’s various state ments, using and them a basis as from which infer his level of mental the time functioning at he made each par ticular spoke statement.164 When Z to the father, twins’ he denied then on any improper activity, twins, blamed it then alleged that Karpenski “comes the middle of the night my and tears clothes off.” When to the child spoke interviewer, responses he made eleven that not did implicate Karpenski did; before that making one elaborating on did, the one that he he had said not been fondled by hands. Karpenski’s spoke When he to his he grandmother, said that hurt him Karpenski or been mean to 163 Although agrees ability lacked the concurrence/dissent distinguish falsity trial, ability may truth from it asserts that Z’s lack have youth immaturity—for example, been due to a cause other than setting however, undisputed, courtroom or transient emotional turmoil. It is statements, elaborate, many spanning Z made false some of them occasions period example, home; the entire at issue here—for to his mother at to his home; grandmother grade school; to his first teacher to the twins’ father ei implicated Karpenski; ther before or courthouse; to the child interviewer at the deрuty prosecutor the courthouse. These facts will not support inability setting. an inference that Z’s due to the was courtroom Nor will they support inability an inference that Z’s to tell the truth due to mental ill *33 merely remaining ness or some other cause that was transient. The inference is distinguish falsity inability the one in the text: that Z’s truth from was a result (in words, youth immaturity young yet his and he other that he was so had not truth). learned what it was tell the Wright, repetition” 164See U.S. at which notes that “consistent is a surrounding place making particular hearsay factor statement. The the time and aof reasoning, apparently, comparison that a the various state by light functioning ments made a often will mental declarant shed his her Williams, 21, 26, particular at the time of a 902 P.2d 1258 statement. State v. Wn. Cf. put pepper Karpenski red in his ear. had him, and that spoke prosecutor, that he to the he said essence When private.” Karpenski his “front When fondled him on had brought stepped him back to the in and the interviewer engaged Karpenski subject rape, he had of anal said spoke hanger he with coat that felt cold. When that act competency hearing, he made ludicrous under oath at the spoke he his birth. When under statements about brother’s Karpenski’s private” he “front trial, oath at said that private,” Karpenski’s his when touched “front Karpens- private” private,” had touched his “back “front private” penetrated had anus “soft as ki’s “front his while impossibilities, together These other worm.” grandmother, testimony his the unrefuted mother boy distinguish clearly capacity show a who lacked hearsay truth from falsehood at the time of his various Accordingly, could not be reli- statements. those statements by admitting able, and court them. the trial erred Although competency Z’s have ruled on the basis of we hearsay reach statements, at the time of his we would by Ryan applying In same result the so-called factors. order apply factors, however, we must assume a fact that those clearly is not correct—that the time his various capacity, if statements, to use had wanted distinguish it, truth from falsehood. satisfy to the father does not

Z’s statement twins’ Ryan It came time Z’s character factors. at a truth-telling questionable It came after best. hardly knew, an adult he and who had been accosted just involving highly upsetting told about conduct his been question had asked a twins. It came after the adult own (“who may no seen showed that assumed a fact adult have bottom”).165 [your] [you] put pee-pee in came af It how deny way by claiming essentially out, ter Z had tried to (Oct. 1996). Proceedings 165 Report *34 occurred, by conduct had not then it on blaming sum, twins. In it general came when Z’s character for truth- (and he had telling poor; every was motive to lie did so, in statements); at least two his three of when he was (he not acting spontaneously had time to fabricate at least two of his three inconsistent when he was responses); heard (the one by only person father); twins’ when he was expressly facts; and when the likelihood asserting past faulty recollection or misrepresentation was extreme. None reliability, factors indicates Ryan Z’s statement to the twins’ father was not admissible under RCW 9A.44.120.

Z’s the child statements interviewer and deputy prosecutor satisfy Ryan also fail to Each faсtors. state- ment was made at a time when Z’s character for truth- telling questionable was best. statement interviewer was several months after alleged made incident, and the statement to the was made prosecutor over a later. made in year Each statement was an investiga- context, tory for forensic Each purposes. statement was only indeed, heard one person; grandfa- the mother and ther were made to Neither wait hall. statement was recorded, and at with one least statement the interviewer’s original destroyed. notes were came Each statement after each equivocal responses, numerous statement was ac- companied by highly responses inconsistent demonstrating state extremely confused of mind. Each shows an in- relate ability six-year-old even basic facts that a usually would know—for whether example, alleged sexual on one more than happened abuse one occasion. Neither each spontaneous; statement was as- expressly facts; serted past faulty and the likelihood recollection or misrepresentation was extreme. None factors Ryan reliability, indicates and Z’s statements to the interviewer prosecutor RCW under were not admissible 9A.44.120.166

III. MISCELLANEOUS admissibility Z’s not covered herein One matter assigned error is to the doctor. No statement objection appear specific that, and does not it *35 objection following proper remand, at If made made trial. capacity to Z the whether the trial court shall consider distinguish spoke at time he from truth falsehood speaking medi doctor, wаs aware was whether diagnosis treatment, and and all other circumstances cal reliability affecting of the it was the statement’s as time made.167 assignments

Karpenski’s remaining error merit of lack again. will not arise Reversed and remanded. J.,

Houghton, concurs. part) (concurring part, dissenting in in Armstrong, A.C.J. — majority’s not I concur in the that was conclusion Karpenski’s competent Thus, the time of trial. convic- at disagree majority’s I tion must be reversed. But with the competence at of the of Z’s discussion and resolution issue I remand the time of the out-of-court statements. would fully parties litigate before and allow the this issue specific Karpenski that failed to make a 166The asserts concurrence/dissent litigate competency objection, opportunity depriving the an thus State of Z’s however, expressly specifically Karpenski, the time of his statements. objection objected hearsay. to cast on Z’s as One effect of that was statements by “suf- showing Z’s were the State the burden of that statements surrounded or, terms, reliability,” at the that Z reliable indicia in alternative ficient of that, failed do even See 9A.44.120. The State time of statements. RCW hearing very purpose. Accordingly, it cannot though pretrial was held for objection, lacked Karpenski proper or that failed to make a the State be said reliability opportunity Z’s at the time of the statements. to establish (1997); 803(4); M.D., App. ER v. 89 Wn. P.2d 837 167 See State Carol (1994). Florczak, P.2d 199 v. State require court. trial This would also of the reexamination reliability Ryan of Z’s out-of-court statements under the factors.168

Karpenski object did not to the out-of-court statements cоmpetence making on basis of Z’s at the time of Rather, statements. its trial brief the State the is raised admissibility sue of of the out-of-court statements under Karpenski RCW 9A.44.120. competence then raised the of issue Z’s citing brief, Allen, his trial v. Wn.2d State (1967), only 692, 424 P.2d 1021 dealt which with the competence of a And at witness trial. the trial court hearing reliability competence on statements, Karpenski specific objection admissibility made no competence the statements on the basis of Z’s at the time making this, the statements. Because the trial court competence not did rule on Z’s the time of the state Generally, may appeal party challenge ments. admissibility on not grounds evidence raised the trial Guloy, court. State v. 104 Wn.2d 705 P.2d 1182 spite procedurally majority In record, of this flawed question competence considers Z’s at the time of the statements then decides it on record before us. *36 inappropriate op This is because the has not State had the portunity present question. evidence on disagree majority’s reasoning resolving

I also in with competence the issue of Z’s at the of the time out-of-court question only competence statements. The as Z’s arises inability falsity. apparent distinguish from his truth from majority youth The that this is a and reasons result “his immaturity.”169 majority The then concludes Z that was youthful more and immature the time of state even incompetent presum and ments therefore was then and ably supports at all times before the trial. no evidence But incompetence solely the statement that Z’s resulted from youth immaturity. entirely his and It is conceivable that Ryan, 168 Statev. 691 P.2d 103 Wn.2d supra 169 See note 163 at 120. falsity difficulty part results Z’s with truth and

least example the time, in at the for from the situation he is setting meeting opposed a trusted as with courtroom may difficulty knowing the Further, Z’s truth adult. with in fife time. his at the be related to emotional turmoil may competent in In be at times and certain set short, tings competent in not times and other sett and other ings.170 do not has not had the know because State We fully develop present opportunity to evidence on the and matter. majority supports compe- Z’s

The its conclusion as to by analyzing tence at time of the statements the state- missing supply the in- ments themselves. But this does not inconsistent, not formation. statements are unusual suggest young victims, and the circumstances with questioning leading suggestive. much of of Z was question at the But critical is whether time statements he knew the difference between truth and falsity. competent did, And If he then he was at the time. analysis no of the this record can amount statements question. again, This, answer this because issue fully litigated trial not court. Ryan overlap

Finally, extent because the factors some competence factors—particularly Z’s with the witness ability veracity truth understand character to. falsity—the court on remand re-evaluate trial should produced reliability light the statements evidence ‍‌​‌‌‌​​​​‌‌‌‌​‌‌​​​​​‌​​‌​​‌‌‌‌‌​‌‌‌​‌‌‌‌​‌​‌‌‌​‍competence. to establish his responds problem by arguing majority the record does 170The to this difficulty supra support note 163 at that Z’s is situational. See the conclusion majority’s agree. support that Z’s does not conclusion

I But the record also *37 youth immaturity. Again, difficulty only the State this because is due difficulty. present of Z’s opportunity on the cause has not had the evidence

Case Details

Case Name: State v. Karpenski
Court Name: Court of Appeals of Washington
Date Published: Feb 12, 1999
Citation: 971 P.2d 553
Docket Number: 21431-8-II
Court Abbreviation: Wash. Ct. App.
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