MEMORANDUM AND ORDER
Do the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure countenance a “Counterclaim in Reply”? That is the question raised by the present motion. Plaintiff, Southeastern Industrial Tire Co., Inc., an Alabama corporation, filed a contract action against defendant, Duraprene Corp., a Pennsylvania corporation, seeking $51,326.59 in payment for goods allegedly delivered to defendant. Jurisdiction is founded upon diversity of citizenship. 28 U.S.C. § 1332. Defendant counterclaimed alleging tortious interference with contracts, refusal to deal in violation of the antitrust laws, breach of contract, and defamation. In reply, plaintiff filed its own counterclaim alleging that it suffered consequential damages as a result of defendant’s failure to pay for tires sold by plaintiff to defendant. It is not clear whether any of these tires are goods for which plaintiff seeks payment in its original complaint. Defendant has now moved to dismiss plaintiff’s counterclaim in reply on the grounds that it is an improper attempt to amend the complaint without leave of court or defendant’s permission as required by Fed.R.Civ.P. 15(a), and that such a pleading is not permitted by Fed.R.Civ.P. 7(a).
Plaintiff responds to defendant’s motion by citing two cases in which a counterclaim in reply has been allowed.
We find that both Fed.R.Civ.P. 13 and Fed.R.Civ.P. 18 contemplate counterclaims in reply. Rule 13 states that a pleading may state a permissive counterclaim and shall state any compulsory counterclaims. One such pleading which Fed.R.Civ.P. 7(a) authorizes is a reply to a counterclaim. Fed.R.Civ.P. 13 in conjunction with Fed.R.Civ.P. 7(a), thus authorizes a counterclaim to be stated in a reply to the counterclaim of the other party.
Defendant’s contention regarding Fed.R.Civ.P. 15(a) is more problematic, although we find no inconsistency between allowing a counterclaim in reply and the limitations on the ability to amend contained in Rule 15(a) under the circumstances of this ease. Here, defendant’s counterclaim is permissive since it involves the entire course of dealing of the parties, not the contract on which plaintiff originally sued. By filing a permissive counterclaim defendant has voluntarily exposed itself to a counterclaim in reply and thus waived the protection that it might otherwise have been afforded by the Rule 15(a) limitations on the ability to amend.
In finding that a counterclaim in reply is a cognizable pleading under the circumstances of this case, we are not insensitive to the prospect (or perhaps we should say the specter) that the counterclaim in reply may indeed engender a reply to the counterclaim in reply. Trained as we have been in the post code-pleading practice of law, centuries removed from the legacy of Baron Surrebutter,
Notes
. See Bethlehem Fabricators, Inc. v. John Brown Co.,
. Plaintiff cites us to 3 Moore’s Federal Practice § 13.08 (2d Ed.1974). We note that Professors Wright and Miller would recognize a compulsory counterclaim in reply but suggest that a permissive counterclaim in reply be treated as an amendment to the complaint. See 5 C. Wright & A. Miller, Federal Practice & Procedure § 1188 (1969).
. A similar argument that Fed.R.Civ.P. 7(a) does not countenance a counterclaim in reply was apparently made by the objecting parties and rejected by the courts in Bancroft and Evans, supra note 1.
. See Amendments to Rules of Civil Procedure,
Rule 18(a) is now amended ... to state clearly, as a comprehensive proposition, that a party asserting a claim (an original claim, counterclaim, cross-claim, or third-party claim) may join as many claims as he has against an opposing party.
. Defendant does not raise jurisdictional or venue objections to the counterclaim in reply. We note, however, that there may be certain circumstances in which a plaintiff may be able to assert claims in federal court or in a particular federal court in a counterclaim in reply that he would not have been able to assert in his original complaint or an amendment thereto. The general rule regarding jurisdiction over counterclaims is that compulsory counterclaims fall within the ancillary jurisdiction of the court, Great Lakes Rubber Corp. v. Herbert Cooper Co.,
As for venue, the waiver rationale of G. E. v. Marvel, supra, would apply to situations in which defendant filed a permissive counterclaim, since the defendant thereby puts himself in the position of a plaintiff and, in effect, voluntarily consents to be sued in that court. Such is not the case, of course, if defendant files a compulsory counterclaim. In that situation, the venue provision upon which the court’s venue over the original complaint is founded would generally also provide the venue for the compulsory counterclaim in reply. However, a situation may possibly arise where this would not be so. The court would then have to determine whether to validate venue on a theory analogous to ancillary jurisdiction, to transfer under 28 U.S.C. § 1406, if applicable, or to dismiss without prejudice to the claim’s being asserted elsewhere. In the case of a permissive counterclaim in reply to a compulsory counterclaim, the defendant should be allowed to interpose venue objections.
. This situation would, of course, only arise in the event that a compulsory counterclaim had been filed and the circumstances were such that the court would refuse to grant leave to amend.
. See 9 W. Holdsworth, A History of English Law 417 (1926).
. This result is recommended by Professors Moore, see 3 Moore’s § 13.08, at 13-183, and Wright and Miller, see 5 Wright & Miller § 1188.
