This appeal concerns a congeries of issues relating to (1) the procedure to be followed in challenging a district court’s transfer order, (2)-the existence of personal jurisdiction, and (3) the accrual of a cause of action under New York law for wrongful possession of a chattel. The issues arise on an appeal by SongByrd, Inc., from the October 21, 1998, order of the United States District Court for the Northern District of New York (David R. Homer, Magistrate Judge) rejecting as time-barred a suit brought against the estate of Albert B. Grossman, doing business as Bearsville Records. 1 SongByrd’s suit sought to establish ownership of master recording tapes made by Henry Roeland Byrd, a New Orleans rhythm-and-blues pianist and composer. We conclude that personal jurisdiction was lacking in Louisiana, where the suit was originally brought, that it was properly transferred to the Northern District of New York, and that the suit is time-barred. Accordingly, we affirm.
Background
A. Facts
The complaint and supporting documents alleged the following historical facts, which are undisputed for purposes of the challenged ruling that the suit is time-barred. 2 The late Henry Roeland Byrd, known professionally as “Professor Longhair,” enjoyed some success as a recording artist in New Orleans in the 1940s and 1950s. In 1971 he was discovered working in a New Orleans record store by Arthur “Quint” Davis, who needed performers for the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival, known as “JazzFest,” which Davis and others had organized. Byrd became a star attraction of JazgFest until his death in 1980.
Early in the 1970s, Davis and attorney Parker Dinkins arranged for Byrd to make several master tapes in a Baton Rouge studio. After hearing demo tapes produced from these master recordings, Albert Grossman, president of Bearsville Records, Inc., in Woodstock, New York, arranged with Davis and Dinkins for Byrd and another New Orleans musician to travel to Woodstock for a recording session. The results of that session were unsatisfactory, and thereafter Davis sent the master tapes to Grossman. According to an un-contradicted affidavit of Davis, the tapes were delivered “as demonstration tapes only, without any intent for either Albert Grossman or Bearsville Records Inc. to possess these aforementioned tapes as owner.”
The tapes remained in Grossman’s possession. Dinkins, acting on behalf of Davis .and Byrd, wrote two letters to Bearsville Records, Inc. in 1975 requesting return of the master recordings. It is not clear whether the letters were ever received. In any event, Bearsville Records, Inc. made no response, and Dinkins did not pursue the matter.
*175 After Grossman died in 1985, Bearsville Records, Inc., was dissolved, but Gross-man’s estate (“the Estate”) continued doing business as Bearsville Records and continued in possession of the master tapes. 3 The Estate did not produce any records itself, but licensed recordings and made its studio available for rental to musicians. In 1986, as part of its licensing business, the Estate licensed some of the Byrd master recordings to Rounder Records Corporation (“Rounder”) of Cambridge, Mass., for an advance against royalties. In 1987, Rounder released an album of Byrd’s recordings, which garnered Byrd a posthumous Grammy Award for Best Traditional Blues Album of 1987. The Estate also licensed some of the master recordings to Rhino Records (“Rhino”), which released an album in 1991 with seven tracks from the Byrd master recordings.
In 1993, SongByrd, Inc. was incorporated as a successor-in-interest to the intellectual property rights of Byrd and his deceased widow.
B. Proceedings in Louisiana
On August 14, 1995, SongByrd filed a “Petition in Revendication” against the Estate in the Civil District Court for Orleans Parish, Louisiana. The petition sought a declaration that SongByrd owned the master tapes, return of the tapes, $50,000 in damages (the amount of the licensing fees allegedly already paid as an advance on royalties), substitution of SongByrd in any of the Estate’s existing licensing agreements, and interest, fees, and costs.
The Estate removed the case to the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana (G. Thomas Por-teous, Jr., District Judge) on diversity grounds, the jurisdictional amount for which was then $50,000.
In its answer, the Estate asserted two affirmative defenses: (1) lack of personal jurisdiction under the Louisiana long-arm statute, and (2) the action was time-barred. The Estate’s Rule 12 motion to dismiss was treated as a motion for summary judgment because the parties submitted numerous affidavits. Explicitly declining to consider the personal jurisdiction issue, the District Court dismissed the suit on the ground that the action was time-barred. On appeal, the Fifth Circuit reversed, ruling that the District Court had erroneously upheld the Estate’s time-bar defense on the record then made.
See Songbyrd I,
On remand, the Louisiana District Court entered a brief order (1) reflecting that the Court had found that it lacked personal jurisdiction over the Estate and (2) sua sponte transferring the action to the District Court for the Northern District of New York.
*176 C. Proceedings in the Northern District of New York
After the transfer, the parties agreed to adjudication by a magistrate judge,
see
28 U.S.C. § 636(c) (1994), and the transferred action was assigned to Magistrate Judge Homer. On the Estate’s motion for summary judgment, Magistrate Judge Homer ruled that (1) New York law applied because the ground for the transfer was that the Louisiana District Court lacked personal jurisdiction over the Estate, (2) the pertinent limitations period was New York’s three-year limitations period for conversion and recovery of chattels,
see
N.Y. C.P.L.R. 214(3) (McKinney 1990), (3) SongByrd’s action accrued no later than August 1986 when Bearsville licensed the master tapes to Rounder, and (4) the suit, filed in 1995, was time-barred.
See Songbyrd, Inc. v. Estate of Albert B. Grossman,
Discussion
I. The Transfer Order from the Eastern District of Louisiana
Although SongByrd has not explicitly challenged the transfer order, its challenge to the Louisiana court’s ruling that personal jurisdiction over the Estate was lacking implicates the transfer ruling, which was based solely on lack of personal jurisdiction. Moreover, uncertainty in the law of this Circuit concerning the proper procedure to be followed in challenging a transfer order makes it appropriate to give the matter some consideration. Four issues arise: (1) Is the transfer order renewable in the transferor circuit? (2) If not reviewed in the transferor circuit, is it reviewable in the transferee circuit? (3) If review in the transferee circuit is proper, is a retransfer motion in the transferee district court required to preserve the transfer issue for appeal? (4) Where the transfer is ordered for lack of personal jurisdiction, what must the party opposing transfer show in order to have the transferee circuit reach the merits of the personal jurisdiction ruling?
1. Reviewability
A transfer order is an interlocutory order that is not immediately renewable by appeal.
See D’Ippolito v. American Oil Co.,
2. Review in the Transferee Circuit
In the transferee circuit, review of a transfer order is available upon appeal from a final judgment.
See Magnetic Engineering & Manufacturing Co. v. Dings Manufacturing Co.,
3. Need for a Motion to Retransfer
Most Circuits have held that in order to preserve the opportunity for review of a transfer order in the transferee Circuit, a party must move for retransfer in the transferee district court.
See FDIC v. McGlamery,
The Second Circuit has not ruled on whether a transfer order may be reviewed on appeal from a final judgment without a request in the transferee district court for retransfer. In
D’Ippolito,
we noted that a transfer order of a district court in this Circuit would be reviewable in the transferee Circuit on appeal from a final judgment if the transferee district court denied a motion to retransfer.
See
The Estate challenges the reviewability of the transfer order only on the ground that SongByrd’s notice of appeal does not explicitly refer to that order. This ground for challenge lacks merit. The notice of appeal recites that SongByrd is appealing from “the Memorandum-Decision and Order, entered 21 October, 1998, granting Defendant’s Motion for Summary Judgment,”
see
Fed. R.App. P. 3(c)(1)(B) (notice of appeal must designate the judgment,
order,
or part thereof being appealed) (emphasis added). Upon entry of this Order, the Clerk’s Office inadvertently neglected to prepare and enter a judgment, but the absence of a separate judgment document may be waived,
see Bankers Trust Co. v. Mallis,
4. The Requisite Showing to Reverse a Transfer Ruling After Final Judgment
Courts discussing review of transfer rulings after entry of a final judgment
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have not always distinguished between two closely related concepts: (1) the standard of review to be applied to the decision granting or denying transfer (or the decision of a transferee court denying re-transfer), and (2) the showing required to reverse a transfer ruling. Although a transfer order for the convenience of parties or witnesses under section 1404(a) is reviewed for abuse of discretion,
see Film-line (Cross-Country) Productions, Inc. v. United Artists Corp.,
To obtain reversal of a transfer ruling (whether granting or denying transfer) after entry of a final judgment, the party urging reversal faces a formidable task. In the context of a motion to transfer for the convenience of parties or witnesses, we have indicated that the party complaining of lack of a transfer would have to “show that a different result would have been reached had the suit been transferred,”
Filmline,
Thus, in the pending case, if SongByrd’s claim would be time-barred under the law of both Louisiana and New York, it would have no complaint that personal jurisdiction was ruled lacking in Louisiana. In that event, we would not need to review Judge Porteous’s jurisdiction ruling. On the other hand, if Louisiana law accords SongByrd a more generous limitations period than New York, or at least affords it a significantly greater opportunity to demonstrate that its claim is not time-barred, then we would need to determine whether personal jurisdiction in Louisiana was lacking, because the more favorable substantive state law is applicable only if personal jurisdiction exists in Louisiana. 12
We could pause at this point and discuss fully whether SongByrd’s claim survives in Louisiana but encounters a time bar in New York, but the opinion will unfold more coherently if we turn to the issue of personal jurisdiction, noting now only that the Fifth Circuit has already given Song-Byrd substantial reason to believe that its claim is not time-barred in Louisiana, and that our subsequent discussion, see Part III, infra, will rule that the claim is time-barred in New York.
II. Personal Jurisdiction 13
Whether the Estate is subject to long-arm jurisdiction in Louisiana with respect to SongByrd’s cause of action depends on whether Grossman would have been subject to such jurisdiction during his lifetime. That proposition is not self-evident,
14
and was at one time not the law,
see McMaster v. Gould,
Long-arm jurisdiction over an executor with respect to a cause of action against a decedent arising from activity within the state exists in Louisiana. See *181 La.Rev.Stat. Ann. § 13-3201 (West 2000) (extending jurisdiction, where otherwise applicable, to “nonresident”); id. § 13-3206 (defining “nonresident” to include an “executor, administrator, or other legal representative” of an individual).
The parties agree that Louisiana’s personal jurisdiction statute has regularly been interpreted by the Louisiana courts to reach as far as the Due Process Clause permits.
See, e.g., Superior Supply Co. v. Associated Pipe and Supply Co.,
Grossman’s contacts with Louisiana, relevant to this lawsuit, are extremely scant. He was never in Louisiana. In New York, he heard demo tapes that had been made in Louisiana, contacted Byrd and Byrd’s managers in Louisiana, and invited them to come to New York to make recordings. The recordings were unsatisfactory, and thereafter Byrd’s managers sent the master tapes to Grossman in New York. Nothing in the record (apart from an unsupported allegation in the complaint) suggests that the master tapes were sent at Grossman’s request. Gross-man retained possession of the master tapes, without any contact with Byrd or his managers and without any activity in Louisiana. The invitation to Louisiana residents to come to New York to make recordings is far too insubstantial a contact to support personal jurisdiction with respect to a cause of action for wrongful possession of master tapes that the residents later sent to Grossman. Although the suit concerns ownership of a chattel (the master tapes) made in Louisiana by a Louisiana resident, Grossman did not obtain the tapes in Louisiana, or take any action in Louisiana that caused the tapes to be sent to him. Although his invitation to Byrd and his managers to come to New York to make recordings can be viewed as a “but for” cause of the eventual shipment of the demo tapes to New York, there was no necessary or even likely connection between these events, and the connection is too tenuous to satisfy the “specific jurisdiction” component of due process analysis.
See Metropolitan Life Insurance Co. v. Robertson-Ceco Corp.,
Since personal jurisdiction was lacking in Louisiana, the transfer was properly ordered.
III. Statute of Limitations
With the Northern District of New York properly regarded as the forum state after the valid transfer for lack of personal jurisdiction in Louisiana, there can be no doubt that New York’s statute of limitations determines whether Song-Byrd’s suit, alleging a wrongful conversion of a chattel in New York, is time-barred.
See Levy,
Three decisions bear on the. accrual issue. In
Sporn v. MCA Records, Inc.,
In
Solomon R. Guggenheim Foundation v. Lubell,
In
Hoelzer v. City of Stamford,
Spom
bars SongByrd’s claim. Like the possessor in that case, the Estate began using the master tapes as its own when it licensed portions of them to Rounder in 1986.
See Jaywyn Video Productions, Ltd. v. Servicing All Media, Inc.,
Even if a demand were required for accrual of SongByrd’s claim, Lubell instructs that a plaintiff may not unreasonably delay in making a demand for property whose location is known. Byrd, either independently or through his agents, had known since the 1970s that the master tapes were in Grossman’s possession, and the unanswered letters to Grossman in 1975 for return of the master tapes probably sufficed to alert him to Grossman’s disregard of his ownership claim, thereby rendering any demand thereafter unreasonably delayed. In any event, his successors’ delay in not making a demand in 1987, when Bearsville’s licensing of the master tapes became well known in the music world as a result of the Grammy Award for Byrd’s recordings, was clearly unreasonable.
Where required, the demand-and-refusal rule “change[s] the character” of a good-faith possession before an action for conversion or recovery of a chattel can be maintained.
17
See Goodwin v. Wertheimer,
Conclusion
Because the Appellant’s claim is time-barred, the order of the District Court is affirmed.
Notes
. The caption of the case in this Court refers to Grossman's estate doing business as "Bearsville Records, Inc.” In the earlier, related Fifth Circuit case, the estate was identified as doing business as "Bearsville Records.”
See Songbyrd, Inc. v. Bearsville Records, Inc.,
. A more extensive factual history is set forth in a Fifth Circuit opinion at an earlier stage of this litigation.
See Songbyrd I,
.. The plaintiff's complaint recounts the unusual circumstances under which the tapes went from Grossman’s possession to that of his estate: "Upon information and belief, tragically dying en route [from a European music conference], Albert Grossman lay in state [szc] at Heathrow Airport in London. Upon claiming the corpse, Sally Grossman, widow of Albert Grossman, discovered the Baton Rouge recording session tapes clutched to the deceased body.” Complaint flXVII.
. Applying provisions of Louisiana's Civil Code, the Fifth Circuit ruled that SongByrd's suit seeking recognition of ownership of movable property was an "innominate real ac-lion” and that the applicable "prescription” (type of limitations) was "acquisitive” and not "liberative.” Therefore, only adverse possession with notice and not merely the lapse of a specified time interval without a claim could defeat SongByrd's ownership claim. On the then-existing record, the Court ruled that SongByrd’s contention that the Estate was only a "precarious possessor” (bailee) of the tapes had not been rebutted. The Court noted that the Estate could still defeat Song-Byrd's claim by showing “acquisitive prescription,”
i.e.,
actual notice to the public and SongByrd that the Estate intended to possess the tapes as owner.
See SongByrd I,
. Our Court has acknowledged the. availability of review of a transfer order in the transfer- or circuit by petition for mandamus, but has also been markedly reluctant to grant the writ.
See Pfizer, Inc. v. Lord,
Where a transfer request has been rejected, our Court has entertained, but denied, a petition for mandamus to compel a transfer.
See Lykes Bros. Steamship Co. v. Sugarman,
. The efficacy of a retransfer motion to preserve the transfer issue for review on appeal from a final judgment was placed in some doubt by dictum in
Kotlicky v. United States Fidelity & Guaranty Co.,
. A district court considering a retransfer motion might be limited by "law of the case” principles, at least in the absence of changed circumstances.
See Christianson v. Colt Industries Operating Corp.,
. A notice of appeal that explicitly refers to only one ruling antecedent to either a final judgment or a dispositive order might limit reviewability to the referenced ruling,
see Shrader v. CSX Transportation, Inc.,
. At one time, our Court ruled that a district court lacking personal jurisdiction had no power to transfer,
see Goldlawr, Inc. v. Heiman,
The Tenth Circuit has ruled that authority to transfer for lack of personal jurisdiction is provided by 28 U.S.C. § 1631 (1994),
see Viernow v. Euripides Development Corp.,
. A defendant disputing personal jurisdiction in the transferor court would presumably not seek a transfer but would seek dismissal, as the Estate did here. Upon dismissal, the plaintiff-appellant would have to show only that personal jurisdiction existed, and no *180 choice of law issue would arise. In the pending case, the transfer was ordered sua sponte by Judge Porteous.
. In
Chaiken,
the transfer ruling itself was unopposed,
see
. If personal jurisdiction existed in Louisiana (as well as in New York), we would then face the issue whether to order a retransfer to Louisiana or to decide the case here under applicable (though unfamiliar) Louisiana law.
. SongByrd did not argue before Magistrate Judge Homer that personal jurisdiction was available in Louisiana, but, since we have excused the failure to make a retransfer motion, the personal jurisdiction issue has not been forfeited. In the District Court, the re-transfer motion would have turned on whether personal jurisdiction existed in Louisiana. Without the need (in this case) for a retransfer motion, SongByrd was entitled to think that it could challenge the Louisiana Court’s jurisdiction ruling on appeal from a final judgment without re-presenting the issue to the District Court here.
.Though an estate is liable for the debts of the decedent, it is arguable that, since it has succeeded to the interests of the decedent by operation of law and the fortuities of life, rather than by choice (such as in a corporate acquisition), it should not be required to defend the decedent’s interests in a foreign forum.
. SongByrd urges that we certify this question to the Louisiana Supreme Court. See Brief for Appellant at 10-14. Since the issue involves application of federal due process requirements, rather than any dispute about the meaning of Louisiana law, certification is not warranted.
. Other portions of the master tapes were licensed to Rhino in 1991.
. SongByrd insists that it is not alleging “conversion/’ only a “bailment of indefinite duration,” Brief for Appellant at 25-26, which must now be ended. But whether or not it uses the label "conversion,” its complaint alleges facts that demonstrate that Bearsville used the tapes as its own, thereby converting them (even on the assumption that Song-Byrd's ownership interest continued up to the point of the conversion).
