MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER
This matter is before the Court upon the motion of the post-Supplemental Relief Order Complaint Administrator, Mark Vogel, to compel the testimony of Doris Gershon (“Motion to Compel”) (doc. # 3036). For the reasons set forth below, the Court grants the Motion to Compel.
I.
In 1972, Defendant Cook County (the “County”) entered into a consent decree, which prohibited the County from “conditioning, basing or knowingly prejudicing or affecting any term or aspect of governmental employment, with respect to one who is at the time already a governmental employee, upon or because of any political reason or factor.” Shakman v. Democratic Org. of Cook County,
The consent decrees and the supplemental relief orders created a network of individuals and entities assigned various responsibilities for ensuring that the County and the Forest Preserve meet their obligations to eschew unlawful political discrimination in employment practices. We
The SRO governing the County established a “Shakman Compliance Administrator,” now known as the Cook County Compliance Administrator (“CCA”), charged with ensuring future compliance with the County’s consent decrees (doc. # 531). Among other things, the CCA was empowered to review the County’s hiring practices, assist in establishing training programs on non-political hiring, adjudicate claims based on pre-SRO violations, and assist in proposing a new hiring plan (Id.). The FPD-SRO created a similar position — the District Compliance Administrator for the Forest Preserve District (“DCA”) with similar authority (doc. # 1010).
The SROs governing the County and the Forest Preserve also created a procedure whereby individuals could lodge complaints alleging political discrimination that they claim occurred after entry of the SROs. The SROs specified that the County Inspector General’s Office (“IGO”), or another individual selected by the Court, would administer the complaint procedure (doc. # 587 at 22-31).
II.
We now turn to the dispute that is the subject of the present motion. Doris Gershon worked for more than 25 years in the Human Resources Department for Cook County (“HR”) (doc. # 3116: Response To Post-SRO Complaint Administrator’s Motion to Compel Testimony of Doris Gershon (“Resp. Br.”) at 8). Most recently, she served as Deputy Chief of HR. In carrying out their Shakman decree and SRO duties, in 2009 and 2010, various officials interviewed Ms. Gershon about areas within her knowledge and expertise: hiring practices and procedures of Cook County. On March 5, July 15, August 19, and August 24 of 2009, the CCA and her staff interviewed Ms. Gershon, and she answered questions regarding her HR duties, including “hiring and the hiring
On May 18, 2010, the CA’s Office interviewed Ms. Gershon, and she answered questions regarding “the job application system, Taleo, and department interaction with HR regarding hiring, union positions, requests to hire and promotions” (Id. at 14-15). On September 14, 2010, the OIIG interviewed Ms. Gershon. At that meeting, she was represented by the State’s Attorney’s Office, and she answered questions regarding “improper manipulation of the Shakman Exempt List” and “other employment matters such as her duties, maintenance of personnel files, and the creation of job positions” (Id. at 14). On October 20, 2010, the DCA interviewed Ms. Gershon regarding “the hiring processes of the FPD” (Id.). She was again represented by the State’s Attorney’s Office and answered questions regarding “hiring, posting of job positions, accepting applications, screening, eligibility lists, interviews, hiring decisions, documentation, policies and procedures, recalls, staff and specific position postings” (Id.).
In addition, Ms. Gershon, in her capacity as Deputy Director of HR, was called to testify at two Cook County Employee Appeals Board hearings during 2010. At those hearings, Ms. Gershon answered questions under oath regarding “the Shakman Exempt List and the employment and termination of two allegedly Shakman exempt employees” (CA’s Br. at 15).
Mr. Vogel, in his role as CA, subpoenaed Ms. Gershon, who is no longer employed by Cook County, for a deposition on March 6, 2012 (CA’s Br. at 2).
In April, May, and June 2012, the CA and an attorney from the CA’s office communicated with Mr. Pijon and informed him that Ms. Gershon had already voluntarily disclosed information that related to “most, if not all, of the same lines of questioning” that the CA wished to pursue at her deposition (CA’s Br. at 3 & Ex. 2), Ms. Gershon’s deposition was then resumed on June 13, 2012 (Id., Ex. 3). Again, Ms. Gershon asserted her Fifth Amendment privilege to nearly all questions, and when asked to identify what fear she had of prosecution, her attorney refused to allow her to answer (Id., Ex. 3 at 4).
Consequently, on October 9, 2012, the CA filed the present Motion to Compel, arguing that Ms. Gershon’s invocation of
III.
The Fifth Amendment states that “[n]o person ... shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” U.S. Const, amend. V. The privilege may be “asserted in any proceeding, civil or criminal, administrative or judicial, investigatory or adjudicatory; and it protects against any disclosures which the witness reasonably believes could be used in a criminal proceeding or could lead to other evidence that might be so used.” Kastigar v. United States,
That said, the protection afforded by the Fifth Amendment is limited to instances in which the witness has reasonable cause to apprehend danger from a direct answer. Hoffman,
Rather, “[t]o be privileged by the Fifth Amendment to refuse to answer a question, the answer one would give if one did answer it (and answer it truthfully) must have some tendency to subject the person being asked the question to criminal liability.” In re High Fructose Corn Syrup Antitrust Litig.,
Once the witness asserts the privilege, “it is for the court to say whether [his] silence is justified, ... and to require [him] to answer if it clearly appears to the court that he is mistaken.” Hoffman,
The party attempting to invoke the privilege bears the burden of establishing its foundation. See, e.g., United States v. Melchor Moreno,
Even where a witness is actively under criminal indictment or investigation, a judge cannot presume that any response to all possible questions would tend to be incriminating. Core-Mark,
With these principles in mind, we consider Ms. Gershon’s assertion of a Fifth Amendment privilege.
A.
Despite the general disapproval of blanket Fifth Amendment assertions, Ms. Gershon invoked the privilege in response to nearly all of the deposition questions, except her name and questions about her husband’s business. Though the CA proceeded to ask specific questions, Ms. Gershon refused to answer, asserting the privilege over 750 times (CA’s Br. at Exs. 1, 3). The subject matter of the questions covered the details of certain employment policies and procedures, whether she knew certain individuals, what occurred during particular employment decisions, and whether she recognized specific documents, among other things. Ms. Gershon steadfastly refused to answer, asserting the Fifth Amendment. Ms. Gershon’s responses amounted to a blanket assertion of her Fifth Amendment privilege. Ms. Gershon’s blunderbuss approach has left the Court guessing at which questions might elicit answers that could be incriminating. This is not a proper assertion of the privilege.
In addition, when we consider some of the questions Ms. Gershon declined to an
Q. Could you briefly describe the screening process in Cook County? (CA’s Br., Ex. 1 at 13).
Q. Can you please tell me a little about the posting process and how postings are created? (Id., Ex. 3 at 3, p. 46).
Q. Can you please explain the process of a salary change? (Id., Ex. 3 at 7, p. 61).
Q. What procedure did the HR department utilize from 2008 through 2010 when hiring an exempt employee? (Id., Ex. 3 at 13, p. 87).
Q. Wfliat is the hiring procedure for motor vehicle drivers in the Highway Department? (Id., Ex. 3 at 17, p. 101).
Q. What would be the process to change or alter the minimum qualifications on a job posting? (Id., Ex. 3 at 23, p. 127).
We fail to see how answers to these questions could subject Ms. Gershon to prosecution.
In addition, we find that answers to the CA’s questions about Ms. Gershon’s former title, and whether she knew certain
Q. Is it correct that you were the Deputy Chief of the Bureau of Human Resources? (CA’s Br., Ex. 1 at 13).
Q. Do you know Betty Torres? (Id., Ex. 3 at 8, p. 66).
Q. How long have you known Joanne Tripani? (Id., Ex. 3 at 15, p. 96).
Q. How long did you work with Annette McCauley? (Id., Ex. 3 at 27, p. 141).
An answer to any of these questions could not form the basis for a criminal prosecution. See Harris v. City of Chicago,
Ms. Gershon also asserted her Fifth Amendment privilege in response to questions asking her if she recognized various County documents, including a job posting, a requisition form, a response to a union grievance, and memoranda (Motion to Compel at 11, citing various exhibit pages). “There can be nothing incriminating about authenticating an innocuous document.” Butcher v. Bailey,
Ms. Gershon’s blanket assertion of the privilege undermines her claim that she has an objectively reasonable fear of prosecution. Indeed, her broad-based refusal to answer even the most anodyne questions and her argumentative comments suggest simply that she no longer felt like answering questions, and militates against a finding that Ms. Gershon truly believed answering questions would expose her to criminal liability. First Universal Lending,
A. I take the Fifth. I’m going to take all Fifths. I mean. I don’t want to go through this (CA’s Br., Ex. 3 at 6. p. 59).
A. I take the Fifth. I’m going to do this all the time, I mean. I’m not going to go through this again (Id., Ex. 3 at 7, pp. 62-63).
A. I take the Fifth. This is so stupid (Id., Ex. 3 at 12, p. 81).
A. I take the Fifth. This is crazy (Id., Ex. 3 at 22, p. 123).
A. I take the Fifth. This is stupid (Id., Ex. 3 at 23, p. 126).
A. I take the Fifth. This is making me crazy (Id., Ex. 3 at 27, p. 141).
These responses demonstrate more of an overriding disdain for the deposition, rather than a well-founded fear of self-incrimination.
B.
Ms. Gershon offers several reasons to support the proposition that she has an objectively reasonable fear that answering questions in the deposition may subject her to criminal prosecution (doc. #3116: Resp. Br. at 7-11). First, she contends that because the CA is working closely with the OIIG and the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office, she can reasonably assume that “both civil and criminal investigations are in play” (Id. at 7). Second, Ms. Gershon argues that investigation of Cook County hiring practices has “long been associated with the possibility of criminal prosecutions,” citing a September 2006 newspaper report of the FBI seizing documents from the Cook County Human Resources Department (Id. 7-8 & Ex. B). Third, Ms. Gershon contends that on January 24, 2007, she received a subpoena for
1.
Ms. Gershon first contends that because the CA works closely with the OIIG and the State’s Attorney’s Office, she could conclude that both civil and criminal investigations are in play (Resp. Br. at 7-8). Ms. Gershon’s argument begs the question of whether an answer to any specific question could incriminate her. If so, she would be entitled to assert her Fifth Amendment privilege even if the CA did not work closely with the OIIG and the State’s Attorney; on the other hand, an answer to a CA’s question that would not be incriminating is entitled to no Fifth Amendment protection even if the CA shared that answer with prosecutorial authorities. A witness must offer some credible reason why a response would pose a real danger of incrimination and not just a “ ‘remote and speculative possibility.’ ” Wachovia Securities, LLC v. Neuhauser, No. 04 C 3082,
Moreover, as the CA correctly responds, in its appearances in Shakman proceedings, the State’s Attorney’s Office is often adversarial to the CA, representing the employees the CA interviews. See 55 111. Comp. Stat. 5/3-9005(a)(4) (2011) (“(a) The duty of each State’s attorney shall be: ... (4) To defend all actions and proceedings brought against his county, or against any county or state officer, in his official capacity with his county.”). Indeed, the State’s Attorney’s Office represented Ms. Gershon in her September 14, 2010, interview with the OIIG. Moreover, the fact that the OIIG and the CA work together on occasion is merely a function of the overlapping and similar duties assigned to the offices. That the OIIG ordinance requires the OIIG to notify law enforcement authorities when it determines or suspects criminal conduct has occurred does nothing to justify Ms. Gershon’s assertion of the privilege. Nor did it deter her from answering questions freely when she was questioned by the OIIG, represented by her counsel— from the State’s Attorney’s Office.
2.
We also do not find persuasive Ms. Gershon’s highly general assertion that “it was common knowledge that the FBI was engaged in an ongoing investigation into Cook County hiring practices” to bolster her claim that her fear of prosecution is reasonable (Resp. Br. at 8). The newspaper article reporting the FBI raid and the grand jury investigation both focused on activities that occurred in 2006 and early 2007, so the statutes of limitations for activities from those investigations have likely run.
3.
Ms. Gershon does not suggest that she is currently (or indeed has ever been) the subject of a criminal investigation. But, even if a witness is under criminal investigation, that fact alone does not establish that her response to any particular question would be incriminating. Core-Mark,
Moreover, during 2009 and 2010, Ms. Gershon willingly responded to questions regarding hiring practices in seven interviews and two hearings and never once claimed a Fifth Amendment privilege to decline to answer. If her fear of prosecution actually arose from her grand jury appearance in 2007, the 2006 FBI seizure of documents, or the alleged “common knowledge” of an ongoing FBI investigation, one would think that she would have asserted the privilege during 2009 and 2010. But she did not. We find that her prior conduct undermines Ms. Gershon’s claim that she now has a reasonable fear of prosecution that she evidently lacked in 2009 and 2010.
4.
Finally, Ms. Gershon suggests that because the OIIG drafted a memorandum on September 14, 2010, regarding “Improper Manipulation of the Shakman Exempt List,” which includes a list of her duties regarding keeping the list, she has an objectively reasonable fear of criminal prosecution. But on that same date, Ms. Gershon was interviewed by the OIIG about the Shakman Exempt List, and though she was represented by counsel, she did not assert her Fifth Amendment privilege. In addition, on October 20, 2010, Ms. Gershon, again represented by a member of the State’s Attorney’s Office, was interviewed by the DCA about the hiring processes of the FPD. Again, she answered questions freely and did not assert a Fifth Amendment privilege. We see no basis for Ms. Gershon’s claim that a memorandum from 2010, which did not cause her to assert a Fifth Amendment privilege at that time, gave her a reasonable basis to do so in 2012.
IV.
The CA also contends that Ms. Gershon waived any right she may have had to assert the Fifth Amendment privilege because prior to her depositions, she voluntarily answered questions covering the same or similar subjects — her County employment, the County’s hiring, firing and employment practices, specific postings and processes, the Shakman exempt list and Shakman exempt positions, the health system, the creation of new positions, and details regarding certain individuals — during interviews or proceedings with the OIIG, the CCA, the DCA, Employee Appeal Board, and the CA. Ms. Gershon responds that her voluntary disclosures were not part of the same proceeding, and thus she did not waive her right to assert the privilege in this proceeding. Although we
A witness may waive her Fifth Amendment privilege by testifying: once a witness reveals an incriminating fact, she may not then invoke the privilege to avoid revealing the details. Rogers v. United States,
The CA specified the following interviews or proceedings in which Ms. Gershon voluntarily answered questions regarding those areas of interest to the CA: 1) the September 14, 2010 OIIG interview regarding improper manipulation of the Shakman Exempt List; 2) the March 5, July 15, August 19, August 24, 2009 interviews with the CCA and staff regarding Ms. Gershon’s human resources duties and employment actions; 3) responses to CCA inquiries regarding “similar processes” of the Cook County Health and Hospital System and to the hiring process relative to a specific posting process; 4) the October 20, 2010 interview with the DCA regarding the hiring processes of the FPD; 5) the May 18, 2010 CA interview regarding the job application system; and 6) two Employee Appeals Board hearings at which Ms. Gershon testified regarding the Shakman exempt list and the employment and termination of two allegedly Shakman exempt employees. The CA asserts that “each of Gershon’s statements, as well as her deposition, took place in the context of the single, ongoing Shakman investigation of Cook County’s hiring, firing, and employment practices, as well as more specific issues relating to these topics, all pursuant to the Shakman Consent Decrees and SRO” (CA’s Reply Br. at 4). Ms. Gershon claims that her previous statements were made in investigations “outside of this proceeding” (Resp. Br. at 6).
We find that, except for the two Employee Appeals Board hearings, all of the prior interviews were part of this same proceeding. The Employee Appeals Board hearings are not a part of the procedures established by the Shakman SROs; nor is that Board an entity designated in the Shakman consent decrees or SROs to investigate or handle complaints. The Employee Appeals Board, which was created by Cook County ordinance, hears appeals by Cook County employees in cases of discharge, demotion, or suspension. See Cook County, 111. — Code of Ordinances, Part I, Ch. 44, Art. II, Sec. 44-50. Though the hearings may have concerned similar subject matter as that in some Shakman investigations, we conclude that the Employee Appeals Board proceedings are distinct enough to be deemed separate from the Shakman proceeding. Consequently, testifying before the Board would not have waived any valid Fifth Amendment privilege Ms. Gershon might have asserted in this proceeding.
On the other hand, the CA, OIIG, DCA, and CCA all interviewed Ms. Gershon within the context of carrying out their responsibilities under the Shakman consent decrees and the SRO. Ms. .Gershon freely responded to questions regarding the hiring, firing, and employment practices of Cook County propounded to her in the context of the ongoing investigation
CONCLUSION
For the reasons set forth above, we grant the CA’s Motion to Compel Doris Gershon’s testimony.
Notes
. On July 28, 2010, by consent of the parties and pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 636(c) and Local Rule 73.1, this case was assigned to this Court for all proceedings, including entry of final judgment (docs. ## 1752, 1753, 1754, 1756).
. The SRO identifies the Inspector General’s Office as one of the entities that can be responsible for administering the complaint procedure (doc. # 587 at 22). After the entry of the SRO. a subsequent Cook County ordinance established the Office of the Independent Inspector General ("OIIG”). For purposes of this order, the IGO and the OIIG will be considered the same (see doc. # 1025 at 2 n. 1).
. On February 22, 2012, this Court entered an order transitioning the functions to the OIIG (doc. # 2663). The order provided that Mr. Vogel, as CA, would continue to handle post-SRO complaints filed prior to February 22, 2012, and that the OIIG would handle complaints filed after that date. The February 22, 2012, order also set a termination date of November 30, 2012, for Mr. Vogel’s investigations of post-SRO complaints against the County, but provided for the extension of that deadline as needed to allow Mr. Vogel to complete his investigations. That date has been extended to February 28, 2013 (doc. #3140).
. The parties do not specify when Ms. Gershon left her position with Cook County, but the CA's brief refers to her as the "County's former Deputy Chief of Human Resources” (CA's Br. at 2). And in the June 13, 2012, deposition, Ms. Gershon stated that she had been "out of the County for a year and a half” (CA’s Br., Ex. 3 at 8).
. The CA further contends that by virtue of Ms. Gershon’s former position within the County's Human Resources Department, she is a member of a "control group” and consequently does not possess a Fifth Amendment privilege with respect to the policies and procedures of the County, relying on United States v. White,
. See generally the general limitations statute for Illinois, 720 111. Comp. Stat. 5/3-5(b), and the federal general limitations statute, 18 U.S.C. § 3282.
