OVERVIEW
Robin E. Persons and her four-year-old son Timothy appeal from the entry of a judgment dismissing their action against Balboa Naval Hospital and the United States Navy. The complaint alleges that as a result of the hospital’s negligence, Petty Officer Kelly Persons (Robin’s husband and Timothy’s father) committed suicide. Appellants seek damages for the serviceman’s wrongful death and for the Navy’s alleged negligent failure both to warn them of Kelly Persons’ condition and to provide them with adequate counseling. The district court entered a judgment dismissing the action for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction under the Feres doctrine. Appellants then filed this timely appeal. In what has now become a well trodden tradition, we reluctantly affirm the district court’s disposition as to the wrongful death claim and the failure to warn. However, we reverse and remand with respect to the claim arising from the hospital’s failure to provide adequate counseling.
*294 FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
The facts in this case are essentially uncontested. 1 In September 1987 Kelly Persons, a petty officer in the United States Navy, presented himself to the Balboa Naval Hospital’s emergency room. His seven deep slash marks on each of his wrists bore witness to his deeply distressed emotional state and attested to his attempted suicide. Appellants claim that despite these clear symptoms, the physicians and staff members at the hospital failed to provide him with adequate counseling or treatment. After a few hours, and without being admitted to the hospital for observation, he was released. Some three months later, on December 23, 1987, Kelly Persons committed suicide.
He was survived by his wife, Robin Persons, and a four-year old son, Timothy. According to appellants, neither of them received any warning regarding Kelly’s state prior to his suicide. Nor did they receive any psychological counseling after his attempted suicide or his actual one.
Appellants argue that the Navy has a legal obligation to provide free and adequate medical care both to its servicemem-bers and to their dependents. They claim that the Hospital's failure to warn or to provide adequate treatment resulted in Kelly Persons’ suicide and in their own irreparable harm and mental anguish.
Appellants filed a malpractice and wrongful death suit against Balboa Naval Hospital and the United States Navy under the Federal Tort Claims Act (“FTCA”), 28 U.S.C. § 2671
et seq.
2
The United States filed a motion to dismiss for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction. On April 13, 1989, the district court granted the Government’s motion on the ground that the
Feres
doctrine,
Feres v. United States,
DISCUSSION
a. Standard of Review
Determination of the district court’s subject-matter jurisdiction is a question of law reviewed
de novo. Atkinson,
b. Application of the Feres doctrine to the medical malpractice claim
The FTCA waives traditional sovereign immunity for the tortious conduct of any Government employee. The Act renders the Government liable in tort “in the same manner and to the same extent as a private individual under like circumstances.” 28 U.S.C. § 2674. Although the FTCA does not on its face exempt military personnel,
Brooks v. United States,
(1) the distinctively federal nature of the relationship between the government and members of its armed forces, which argues against subjecting the government *295 to liability based on the fortuity of the situs of the injury; (2) the availability of alternative compensation systems; and (3) the fear of damaging the military disciplinary structure.
Atkinson,
Aside from expressing a general distaste for the Feres doctrine (shared, one might add, by countless courts and commentators), appellants seek to distinguish this case from relevant precedent by arguing that Kelly “was at liberty at the time of the incident.” In addition, they contend that regardless of Feres ’ overall validity, it has no place in the medical malpractice field. 4 Because Feres is concerned above all with questions of military discipline, they argue, it should not apply to the “personal” medical needs of an “off-duty” sailor. Military considerations per se do not enter every minute treatment decision by the Naval hospital; therefore, appellants contend, Feres is inapposite.
As for fears concerning the lawsuit’s impact on military discipline, appellants note that the Department of Defense prohibits its personnel from offering expert testimony concerning official information. In short, they reason that there is no justification whatsoever for importing Feres into this arena.
Alas, the doctrine has been imported long ago, and over similar objections. ■ It is true that over the years, confusion has spread over its intricacies.
See Monaco,
For all the complexity of the evolution of the doctrine, however, what is
not
unclear and escapes all current confusion is its overall trend. From
Brooks,
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In view of these circumstances, appellants’ first claim must necessarily fail. Although he was off-duty, Kelly Persons enjoyed the use of the naval hospital “solely by virtue of his status as a serviceman,”
Millang,
c. Application of Feres to appellants’ claim for failure to warn
Appellants’ second claim is that Robin and Timothy Persons have a separate cause of action under the FTCA which Feres cannot block because neither of them ever was a member of the armed forces. In addition, they assert that their suit, rather than springing from Kelly’s, rests on wholly independent grounds; the hospital’s duty to warn them of the impending suicide. Finally, they contend that the Feres rationales do not apply to such claims. 9
Particularly relevant in this regard is this Circuit’s decision in
Monaco
which barred the daughter of a serviceman exposed to atomic radiation from bringing suit against the United States to recover for the birth defects which she tragically inherited. Specifically,
Monaco
rejected the argument that “she was never a member of the armed forces,” and that she would not recover benefits under the Vet
*297
erans’ Benefits Act.
See Monaco,
This reasoning is shared by almost all Circuits. The lone discordant voice in this unanimous chorus is
Del Rio v. United States,
Although
Del Rio
finds support in both reason and equity, it cannot suffice to overcome the overwhelming contrary precedent.
13
This is as true of appellants’ claim for loss of consortium as of their allegation that the hospital failed to warn them, even assuming that the latter constitutes an independent cause of action under California law. By current legal standards, they all must be viewed as “derivative” claims, having their genesis in Kelly’s service-related death.
See, e.g., Gaspard v. United States,
d. Application of Feres to claim for failure to provide counseling
Appellants’ third allegation is that they were denied the psychological assistance to which they were entitled and of which they were in need in the aftermath of Kelly’s tragic death. Unlike plaintiffs’ other claims or those dismissed in cases cited above, this one alleges harmful conduct directed exclusively at the dependents and not involving military decisionmaking toward enlisted personnel. Of course, the claim is
related
to Kelly’s suicide to the extent that the psychological trauma probably bears the imprint of his death. But the hospital’s alleged breach of its duty after the tragedy was “completely independent
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of the purported negligence” that led to Kelly’s demise.
Kohn v. United States,
Precedent comes to the rescue of common sense. In
Broudy v. United States,
In
Kohn,
the Second Circuit followed a similar reasoning. Marc Kohn, an active duty serviceman, was shot to death by a fellow soldier. His parents’ action claiming damages for Marc’s suffering and for their loss of his society and support was properly found barred by
Feres.
Certainly, had Timothy broken a limb and been rushed to the hospital only to see its doors shut in his face, Feres could not immunize the government from suit. We see little if any difference in this case which involves the treatment of a mental condition. 16 The fact that the latter can be traced back to some degree to an incident implicating an active-duty serviceman is of scant relevance: psychological symptoms follow long and meandering paths, irreducible to any single event. If the application of Feres were to hinge on whether the dependent’s need for counseling springs from a military matter, one would have to identify the original catalyst of the plaintiff’s mental state. Even the Feres doctrine, unsound and illogical as it might be, cannot contemplate such patent impossibilities.
Feres
aside, a long and obstructed way stands between the Persons and potential recovery. For example, appellants must establish that the Navy hospital breached a legal duty by failing to provide them with counseling services. Although military medical personnel are under a duty to use due skill in attending to their patients once they have been admitted for treatment,
see, e.g, Costley,
CONCLUSION
It would be tedious to recite, once again, the countless reasons for feeling discomfort with
Feres,
its direct offspring, or its more distant offshoots regarding “derivative” non-military claims.
18
See, e.g., United States v. Johnson,
In keeping with this tradition, we affirm on two of the three claims, once again bowing to a view that, reluctant step by reluctant step, has become an ineradicable feature of our legal landscape. Nevertheless, we reverse and remand to permit appellants to proceed with the cause of action for failure to provide counseling. There comes a point where even Feres concatenations must come to an end; we believe this is that point.
AFFIRMED IN PART, REVERSED IN PART AND REMANDED.
Notes
. Because this case involves an appeal from an order dismissing for want of jurisdiction, we accept as true the factual allegations contained in appellants' complaint.
Broudy v. United States,
. In light of the liberal standards for amending pleadings, the district court proceeded on the complaint as if the appellants had properly named the United States rather than the Navy as the defendant.
. The third rationale was not mentioned by the
Feres
Court but was subsequently added in
Sten-cel, supra.
A recent Ninth Circuit opinion offers a detailed review of the
Feres
doctrine and its various applications.
See McGowan,
. Much of appellants’ brief is devoted to a critique of Supreme Court jurisprudence in the area, with the help of references to Justice Sca-lia’s dissent in
Johnson
and to the first
Atkinson
opinion that was later withdrawn in light of
Johnson. See Atkinson v. United States,
.Indeed, even suits involving
civilian
plaintiffs are barred when courts fear that the action might "bring into question command or personnel decisions by military personnel.”
McGowan,
. The relevant distinction, as the government notes, runs between servicepersons who are on "active duty" and those who have been discharged or are on furlough, not between "off-duty" and "on-duty” servicepersons.
. As the Sixth Circuit has observed, "in recent years the [Supreme] Court has embarked on a course dedicated to broadening the
Feres
doctrine to encompass, at a minimum,
all
injuries suffered by military personnel that are even remotely related to the individual's
status
as a member of the military ...”
Major v. United States,
. Other Circuits have reached similar conclusions.
See, e.g., Appelhans v. United States,
The rare Ninth Circuit case to have resisted
Feres
’' ever-expanding reach in recent years,
McGowan,
.Thus, appellants argue that a widow or a child are not compensated by the government for their independent injuries and that their claim would not undermine military discipline.
. In Stencel, which involved a third-party suit against the government, the Supreme Court observed:
the effect of the action upon military discipline is identical whether the suit is brought by the soldier directly or by a third party. The litigation would take virtually the identical form in either case ... The trial would, in either case, involve second-guessing military orders ...
Stencel,
. The Persons also cite to
West v. United States,
. Del Rio delivered twins. One was injured; the other died.
. Additionally, the handful of cases the
Del Rio
court cites to back its position have little bearing on the applicability of
Feres. See Del Rio,
. We reiterated this view after the district court once again dismissed the suit on remand.
See Broudy v. United States,
. On remand, the district court found the United States "liable for distress caused to the next of kin by the cremation or retention of parts of Marc Kohn's body and by the embalming of the body” in violation of plaintiffs’ deep religious beliefs.
Kohn v. United States,
.Under 10 U.S.C. § 1076, dependents of servicepersons are entitled to medical care prescribed by section 1077 which includes the "[t]reatment of nervous, mental, and chronic conditions.”
. Other potential hurdles might include the required exhaustion of administrative remedies,
see
28 U.S.C. § 2675. As we stated in
Broudy II,
. Perhaps the most glaring anomaly of the doctrine in cases such as this is that, had the naval hospital negligently treated a civilian with no ties to the military, then surely
Feres
could not bar her suit or her family’s suit under the FTCA. And yet, in that hypothetical case, "there would be the same chance that the trial would 'involve second-guessing military orders.’ ”
Stencel,
