The petitioner, Raymond Morgan Hardy, was convicted in 1985 of first-degree sodomy in the Circuit Court of Graves County, Kentucky. He filed a petition for a writ of habeas corpus in December 1988, complaining that his sixth amendment right to confrontation was violated at trial. The district court denied the petition, and this appeal followed. Finding Hardy's arguments to be without merit, we affirm the decision of the district court.
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The petitioner was convicted, after a jury-trial, of sodomizing his six-year-old daughter. The victim was the principal witness against Hardy. Prior to trial, the prosecutor produced a letter from the child’s treating physician and an affidavit from a Board-certified psychologist indicating that testifying in open court would be so psychologically dangerous to her that the experience might “permanently endanger her psychological recovery.” Based on this evidence, the trial judge decided that forcing her to testify in open court would be inappropriate. Relying on a Kentucky rule of criminal procedure, RCr 7.10, he allowed the little girl to testify at trial through a videotaped deposition taken several weeks before trial. 1 Hardy was present at the deposition and his right to cross-examine the witness was not infringed. During trial, the jury saw and heard the videotaped testimony. The only parts of the tape not shown to the jury were omitted because of Hardy’s objections.
The jury subsequently convicted Hardy of first-degree sodomy, and he was sentenced to twenty years’ imprisonment. Hardy then appealed, eventually reaching the Kentucky Supreme Court, which affirmed his conviction in a published opinion.
Hardy v. Commonwealth,
In December 1988, Hardy filed a petition for a writ of habeas corpus in the United States District Court for the Western District of Kentucky. He claims that the trial court violated his sixth amendment right to confront his accuser by allowing his daughter to testify by way of the videotaped deposition. The district court rejected his argument and denied the petition. Hardy now appeals that judgment.
II
Hardy claims that the procedure used by the trial court to allow his daughter to testify in less threatening surroundings violated his sixth amendment Confrontation Clause rights. Essentially, he argues that all testimony presented at trial must be heard when given in the physical presence of the trier of fact.
It is not clear that this court need even reach the merits of Hardy’s claim. Re-troactivity in habeas cases can be seen as a “threshold question” that is logically prior to the merits of a petitioner’s habeas claim.
Teague v. Lane,
Therefore, this court will determine, at the outset, whether the petitioner’s claim, if valid, would be applied retroactively.
2
Under current retroactivity stan
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dards, as a general matter, “new rules will not be applied or announced in cases on collateral review unless they fall into one of two exceptions.”
Penry v. Lynaugh,
It makes sense to look at the retroactivity issue first in habeas cases, since the petitioner cannot benefit from a rule that will not be applied to him. Like certain jurisdictional issues, this inquiry requires the court to take “a peek at the merits.”
See, e.g., International Association of Machinists v. Trans World Airlines,
The Supreme Court has defined a “new rule” of constitutional interpretation as one that “breaks new ground or imposes new obligations on the States or Federal Government.”
Teague,
This standard has been applied in a variety of contexts. For example, in
Butler v. McKeller,
the Supreme Court considered the issue of whether the rule announced in
Arizona v. Roberson,
Ill
The petitioner contends that all testimony heard by the trier of fact must occur in the trier’s physical presence. While it is true, broadly speaking, that the opportunity for the trier of fact to observe the demeanor of the witness is one of the goals furthered by the Confrontation Clause, that principle has never been absolute. Moreover, it is not clear that Hardy’s daughter, whose testimony appeared on a video monitor, was not “in the presence” of the jury for purposes of the Confrontation Clause.
The petitioner cites a number of cases, including some from the Nineteenth Century, for the proposition that all evidence must be presented in the physical presence of the jury. After reviewing his arguments, we find that the cases cited by the petitioner demonstrate that there are exceptions to the general rule that testimony must occur in the presence of the trier of fact. In
Mattox v. United States,
Similarly, in
California v. Green,
Hardy does cite one case where the defendant won his Confrontation Clause claim, but that case is easily distinguishable. In
Kirby v. United States,
We are not saying that Hardy could not make an argument, based on the precedent that existed at the time his conviction became final, that all testimony must generally occur in the physical presence of the trier of fact. However, at the time, there was no precedent directly addressing the child-witness situation. Cases such as Mat-tox and Green demonstrate that there were well-recognized exceptions to the rule that all testimony should occur in the physical presence of the trier of fact. The real issue is whether the rule, rather than the exception, should logically apply to children testifying outside the courtroom. Either position would require the extension of pri- or precedent to cover new factual situations. Thus, the rule sought by the petitioner was not dictated by precedent that existed at the time the decision became final.
Because the Supreme Court had not addressed the issue of child witnesses at the time Hardy’s conviction became final, our decision is, to some degree, informed by cases decided after the conviction became final. In
Saffle v. Parks,
the Supreme Court relied, in part, on decisions rendered after Parks’s conviction had become final.
See Saffle,
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Craig weakens Hardy’s position significantly. In this case, as in Craig, the Court made an individualized determination that the child witness required special accommodation. Hardy, however, retained much more effective confrontation than the defendant in Craig. In Craig, the defendant was not present with the witness during the testimony. Here, Hardy was allowed to be present during the testimony. This meant that he could look his daughter in the eye and as she testified that he had sodomized her. As she testified, she could see him as well.
There are only two characteristics that serve to distinguish this case from
Craig,
and neither is particularly helpful to the petitioner. First, unlike in
Craig,
the defendant himself was present when the testimony took place. He literally confronted his accuser. Therefore, this case presents a significantly less serious Confrontation Clause problem than does
Craig.
The petitioner contends that the court erred by considering her generalized fear of the courtroom rather than her specific fear of facing the defendant.
Craig
does indicate that more than just fear of the courtroom is necessary to justify allowing a child witness to testify
outside
of the presence of the defendant.
Id.
at -,
The second difference between this case and Craig is that here the witness testified by videotape rather than "live.” As anyone who watches sports on television knows, contemporaneous viewing may be more exciting to watch, but tape-delay does not affect one’s ability to observe. The petitioner suggests that he might have been prejudiced in some way by the use of pre-recorded testimony. We can imagine some situations in which this argument might have some merit. For example, something might come up during the trial itself that would form the basis for questioning the witness. Even so, the prosecutor could have put the child on as the first witness, in which case the tape delay would have no additional impact. Here, however, the petitioner has not demonstrated, even in the most rudimentary way, that he was prejudiced by this time delay. Nor did he ask the trial judge to recall the witness for additional testimony. He simply asks this court to engage in speculation. This we decline to do.
If anything, the petitioner may have benefited from the time between the taping and the trial. Hardy and his attorney were able to see and reflect upon the testimony of the prosecutor’s star witness several weeks prior to trial. The entire defense strategy could have been formulated beforehand in order to undermine that testimony. Most defense lawyers would love to have the opportunity to hear and cross-examine the primary prosecution witness pri- or to opening statements. Moreover, the portions of the testimony that Hardy himself objected to were omitted. Normally, the jury is instructed to disregard objectionable material. Here, the jury never even heard it. As Hardy was the one whose objections resulted in cuts, he surely must have benefited.
IV
Even if we were to assume, for the sake of argument, that the petitioner had a right to have the jury observe the witness during her testimony, it is not clear to us that the petitioner was deprived of this right. We are not aware of any pre-1986 cases that address the exact issue of what constitutes observation of the witness for purposes of the Confrontation Clause. Nonetheless, based on the precedent that existed at the time the conviction became final, good-faith interpretation of existing law would allow a court to conclude that the witness was “present” for purposes of the Confrontation Clause in this case.
In
Mattox,
after all, the court allowed the jury to hear testimony
read
from the record of a previous trial.
Mattox,
Moreover,
Craig
also undermines the petitioner’s demeanor argument. In
Craig,
the court noted that the jury could observe the demeanor of the child during the testimony.
Craig,
— U.S. at -, 110 S.Ct. at
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3166. We find it noteworthy that the Court specifically declined to hold that a person testifying over a video monitor is out-of-court for purposes of the Confrontation Clause.
Id.
at -,
V
We therefore conclude that, while the opportunity to observe the witness at trial is one value protected by the Confrontation Clause, the rule in favor of having all witnesses testify at the trial in the courtroom itself is not and never has been absolute. At the time of Hardy’s conviction, there were no cases directly on point. However, the case law did indicate that the defendant’s interest in having the trier of fact observe the actual testimony could be overcome in certain circumstances, such as dying declarations. Here, the defendant did have the opportunity to cross-examine the witness, an important factor in Green. Furthermore, the jury had an opportunity to observe the testimony, albeit on a tape-delayed basis. And the subsequent Confrontation Clause cases indicate that much more significant intrusions of Confrontation Clause rights are acceptable. Moreover, in analyzing this issue we must bear in mind that the purpose of federal habeas relief is to assure conformity with constitutional norms as understood at the time of conviction. Thus, we conclude that the claim that he asserts was not dictated by existing precedent and that he therefore proposes a new rule of constitutional interpretation.
VI
We therefore turn to the next issue — whether this case fits into either exception to the rule against applying decisions retroactively in habeas cases. The first exception to this general rule is when a new rule places certain conduct beyond the scope of the criminal law.
Teague,
The second exception to the general rule against applying new rules retroactively is for “ ‘watershed rules of criminal procedure’ implicating the fundamental fairness and accuracy of the criminal proceeding.”
Saffle,
— U.S. at -,
Thus, we conclude that the petitioner’s claim would not, if accepted, be applied retroactively, and we therefore need not reach the merits of his ease.
VII
The petitioner also argues that the trial court misapplied the Kentucky rule of
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criminal procedure that it used in order to have the victim testify by videotape. Even if the trial judge violated state rules of procedure, that is not grounds for relief on federal habeas review.
Engle v. Isaac,
For these reasons, the ruling of the district court is AFFIRMED.
Notes
. Originally, the prosecution based its motion on RCr 7.10, which provides for the use of depositions in criminal cases where the witness is unavailable. After the indictment but prior to trial, the Kentucky legislature adopted a statute, KRS 421.350(3), that was quite similar to the statute that the Supreme Court subsequently struck down in
Coy v. Iowa,
. Recently, in
Collins v. Youngblood,
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