OPINION
OVERVIEW
A chapter 7 trustee objected to the debtors’ claimed exemption of his Individual Re *502 tirement Account (IRA) under California law. Following a hearing, the bankruptcy court determined that as a matter of law, an IRA cannot be exempted. The debtors appeal. We reverse.
BACKGROUND FACTS
The debtors, Frederick and Eugenia Rawlinson, filed a voluntary chapter 7
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petition on December 27, 1995. In California, debtors may choose between the exemptions available to non-bankrupts, and the state bankruptcy exemptions.
See
Cal.Civ.Pro. §§ 703.140(fo)(l — 11), 704.010 and 11 U.S.C. § 522(d);
see also In re MacIntyre,
Following a hearing on the trustee’s objection, the bankruptcy court, relying on
In re Innis,
1. An IRA is a savings account with tax benefits and gratuitious (sic) contributions by the debtor rather than a plan or policy provided by an employer or other party;
2. Annuities and pensions contemplate only future periodic payments, whereas an IRA is payable in a lump sum;
3. The depositor/debtor has complete control over the account, rendering no guarantee that the funds will actually be retained until retirement or disability;
4.An IRA contemplates a contractual arrangement whereby the debtor deals directly with the depository institution rather than having the fund provided by an employer or other third party.
Innis,
ISSUE
Whether the trial court erred when it ruled that as a matter of law IRAs may not be exempted under Cal.Civ.Pro. § 703.140(b)(10)(E).
STANDARD OF REVIEW
The bankruptcy court’s application and interpretation of California law is reviewed
de novo. Viceroy Gold Corp., v. Aubry,
DISCUSSION
We must first resolve an initial question: which law shall we apply to this question. The debtors ask the panel to reverse the trial court, relying on what they call “the leading case” on the federal exemption,
In re Cilek,
Is an IRA a “similar plan” for purposes of § 522(d) (10) (E)?
Although various courts have addressed the exemptibility of IRAs, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has not ruled on this issue.
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The Supreme Court has indicated
in dicta
that IRAs may be exempted pursuant to section 522(d)(10)(E).
See Patterson v. Shumate,
[Ijndividual retirement accounts ... are specifically excepted from ERISA’s antialienation requirement. Although a debtor’s interest in these plans could not be excluded under § 541(c)(2) because the plans lack transfer restrictions enforceable under “applicable nonbankruptcy law,” that interest nevertheless could he exempted under § 522(d) (10) (E).
Patterson v. Shumate
Further persuasive support for the debtors’ position is provided by
In re Carmichael,
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Second, the court reasoned that statutory construction required its interpretation because “subparagraph (d)(10)(E)(iii) specifically denies exemption to those ‘similar plans or contracts’ that come within the proscription of (d)(10)(E)(i) and (ii) and also fail to qualify under, inter alia, IRC § 408, a provision dealing exclusively with IRAs.”
Id.
Because the Internal Revenue Code section refers to IRAs in the exception “makes inescapable the conclusion that at least some — if not all — IRAs were intended to be included in the phrase ‘similar plan or contract.’ Were that not so, there would be no exempt § 408 plans or contracts from which non- § 408 plans or contracts could be exceptions.”
Id.
The court stated that because the phrase “similar plan or contract” in subsection (iii)’s specific exception to the exemption includes IRAs that qualify, that same phrase used in the general exemption of paragraph (d)(10)(E) must likewise include qualifying IRAs. “‘There is a presumption that the same words used twice in the same act have the same meaning.’ ”
Id.
(quoting
In re Hall,
Third, the court looked to the policy ramifications of not excluding IRAs:
to conclude that IRAs are not exempt would be to suggest that Congress intended to penalize self-employed individuals for their choice of the form in which their retirement assets are held. This result would be antithetical to Congress’ solicitude for retirement benefits for self-employed individuals. By analogizing the treatment of IRAs to Congress’ treatment of other retirement plans in § 522(d)(10)(E), we find it more than plausible to infer that Congress intended for IRAs to be treated similarly for purposes of exemption.
Carmichael,
Finally, the court looked to the purposes of bankruptcy law and determined that “exempting IRAs comports with the very policy furthered by exemptions — providing the honest debtor with a fresh start. More specifically, exempting IRAs furthers the policy behind the pension exemption — protecting a debtor’s future income stream.”
Carmichael,
It should be noted that in
Hebert v. Fliegel
the Ninth Circuit, in deciding whether a self-employed physician could exempt his Keogh pension plan under Oregon law,
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rejected an argument similar to the third argument advanced by the
Carmichael
court above.
Hebert v. Fliegel,
The latter are funded and controlled by the employer, and carry with them well-defined, employer-determined guidelines on when an employee’s interest in the funds vests and when such funds may be withdrawn. Keogh plans, on the other hand, are funded exclusively by the self-employed individual, who retains complete control over the amounts invested and the management of the funds. This individual also retains the right to terminate the plan and withdraw the funds at any time, subject only to a tax penalty.
Id.
The court also asserted that most courts that had addressed the policy issues “concluded that the benefits to be derived from granting an exemption for self-funded plans are outweighed by the ‘strong public policy
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that will prevent any person from placing his property in what amounts to a revocable trust for his own benefit which would be exempt from the claims of his creditors.’”
Id.
(quoting
Matter of Witlin,
Although the
Hebert
court’s policy argument is strong, it does not apply with the same force to IRAs. While there are similarities between IRAs and Keogh plans,
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there are significant differences between them, the most important of which may be that “the ceiling on annual contributions to IRAs is much lower than that permitted to Keoghs.”
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Karen Rubner Grotberg,
There Should Be Parity in Bankruptcy Between Keogh Plans and Other ERISA Plans,
80 Nw. U.L.Rev. 165, 172 (March 1985). Because a taxpayer is capable of investing a relatively small amount of money in an IRA, a debtor will generally be unable to protect significant assets in an IRA
See Hickenbottom,
There are situations in which an IRA may hold significant assets. For instance, an employee may “roll-over” a company 401(k) plan account to an IRA at the end of employment.
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The Ninth Circuit has found that a 401(k) plan is not property of the estate.
In re Kincaid,
Indeed, to hold otherwise would be to create a trap for the unwary in those frequent instances in which funds from other exempt plans are “rolled over” into IRAs when those other plans terminate or when employment ceases. After all, Congress has, in the overall retirement scheme of the IRC, selected the IRA to serve as a sort of universal conductor through which transfers must pass if they are to avoid the rocks and shoals of inadvertent taxable events.
Carmichael,
Is a present payment necessary ?
Section 522(d)(10)(E) (and Cal.Civ.Pro. § 703.140(b)(10)(E)) exempt “a debtor’s right to receive” a payment under certain specified plans or a similar plan. The trustee argues,
inter alia,
that the debtor’s IRA does not qualify for the exemption because the debtor is not receiving a payment. In
In re Huebner,
In
In re Clark,
the Third Circuit used similar reasoning to find a Keogh plan could not be exempted because the debtor had no immediate right to payment under the retirement plan: “[t]he exemption of future payments ... demonstrates a concern for the debtor’s long term security which is absent from the statute.”
Clark,
Unlike the [Clark court], this Court finds ample concern for the Debtor’s long term security in the statute, the legislative history and the decisions of other courts. Both the subject of the statute (i.e., stock bonuses, pensions, profit-sharing plans and annuities) and the purpose of the statute (i.e., exemptions for the basic necessities) look to the future. Even the legislative history speaks of the future when it states: “Paragraph (10) exempts certain benefits that are akin to future earnings of the debtor.” Other courts have also found that Congress intended to look to the debtor’s future needs as well as the debtor’s current needs.
Cilek,
Similarly, the Fifth Circuit in Carmichael distinguished
between a debtor’s right to receive a payment presently ... and a debtor’s “right to receive ... a payment” (the plain words of the section) which includes both (1) a debt-
or’s presently vested right to receive a payment in the future and (2) a debtor’s right to receive a payment “presently,” “currently,” or “immediately.”
Carmichael,
a restriction to the right to receive payments presently, to the exclusion of a present right to receive payments in the future. The language of the section does not include words like “presently,” “currently,” or “immediately.” Indeed, to infer such would be to exclude from consideration all deferred compensation and retirement accounts that have not yet ripened to current payment status. Again, that which is exempt is the right to receive payments, whether future or present, not merely the current receipt of payments.
Id. at 379-BO.
Does the debtor’s control of an IRA make it non-exempt?
The
Innis
court listed as one of its reasons for finding an IRA non-exemptible: “The depositor/debtor has complete control over the account, rendering no guarantee that the funds will actually be retained until retirement or disability.”
Innis,
According to the Carmichael court:
*507 Control is a concept applicable to the determination of whether an asset belongs to the estate, a determination that is made before the question of exemption is ever reached. Once the asset is included in the estate, the concept of control evanesces; control is simply irrelevant to the question of exemption. Indeed, other exempt assets, such as personal residences, remain in the debtor’s control following a discharge.
Id. 13 The court reached this determination on “the plain language of the subject section”:
[T]he right to receive a payment under a “similar plan or contract” must be “on account of illness, disability, death, age, or length of service.” Yet nowhere do the words “only” or “solely” appear. None dispute that the list is exclusive and mandatory in that (1) the right to receive payment under a “similar plan or contract” must be triggered by at least one of the five events, and (2) the right to receive the payment cannot be either totally unfettered or not triggered by inter alia one of the five listed events.
Id. at 379. (footnote omitted). According to the court, “the debtor’s right to receive a payment from the IRA is statutorily triggered by his attaining age 59)6 years;” thus, the IRA satisfies the basic test above. Id.
The Carmichael court rejected the argument that the debtor’s ability to receive the funds of her own will destroys exemptibility:
As long as the right to receive a payment under a plan or contract can be triggered by one or more of the five listed events, and is therefore exemptible, the fact that payments can also be triggered by some additional factor — or absence of some additional factor — cannot destroy exemptibility.
Id.
See also
In re Conner,
The court also concluded that “the rule of ejusdem generis requires inclusion of IRAs in the phrase ‘similar plan or contract’ by general (if not perfect) analogy to the four specified plans or contracts that are per se exemptible, with or without an anti-alienation requirement.”
Carmichael,
Does the source of the funds destroy the exemption of IRAs?
The
Innis
court denied the exemption of the debtor’s IRA in part because “the debtor deals directly with the depository institution rather than having the fund[s] provided by an employer or other third party.”
Innis,
*508 CONCLUSION
We are persuaded by the Fifth Circuit’s reasoning in Carmichael and by the other cases cited above that a debtor should be allowed to exempt an IRA. By the terms of the statute, the debtors may exempt an IRA to the extent that it is reasonably necessary for support. Because the trial court denied the exemption as a matter of law, it did not determine whether the IRA (which is worth approximately $47,000) is necessary for the debtors’ support. We therefore REVERSE and REMAND to allow the trial judge to make that factual determination.
Notes
. Unless otherwise indicated, all references to "chapter” or “section” are to the Bankruptcy Code, 11 U.S.C. §§ 101-1330; references to “rule” or “Fed.R.Bankr.P.” are to the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure 1001-9036, which make applicable certain Federal Rules of Civil Procedure ("Fed.R.Civ.P.”).
. Cal.Civ.Pro. § 703.140(b)(10)(E) exempts from property of the estate the debtor’s right to receive "a payment under a stock bonus, pension, profit-sharing, annuity, or similar plan or contract on account of illness, disability, death, age or length of service to the extent reasonably necessary for the support of a debtor and any dependent of the debtor ...”
.More recently,
In re McKown,
. At least two bankruptcy courts in this circuit have found that an IRA may be exempted under the federal exemptions of section 522(d)(10)(E).
See In re Hickenbottom,
. Section 541(c)(2) provides the following exclusion from the otherwise broad definition of "property of the estate” contained in section 541(a)(1): "A restriction on the transfer of a beneficial interest of the debtor in a trust that is enforceable under applicable nonbankruptcy law is enforceable in a case under this title.”
. The Oregon law in question provided in pertinent part:
All pensions granted to any person in recognition by reason of a period of employment by or service for the government of the United States, or any state, or political subdivision of any state, or any municipality, person, partnership, association or corporation, shall be exempt from execution and all other process, mesne or final____
Hebert
v.
Fliegel,
. Contributions to both IRAs and Keogh plans remain tax free until the participant begins to make withdrawals, which may be made without penalty at age 59¡4 and must begin by age 70¡4. A ten percent additional tax penalty for premature distributions applies to both, and if either plan is terminated, the sum total of contributions and accrued interest is taxable. Karen Rubner Grotberg, There Should Be Parity in Bankruptcy Between Keoah Plans and Other ERISA Plans, 80 Nw. U.L.Rev. 165, 172 (March 1985).
. Self-employed taxpayers, including sole proprietors and partners, can contribute more than $30,000 annually (or 25% of a participant’s compensation, if less) to a defined contribution Keogh plan, or provide for a maximum benefit of $90,000 a year under a defined benefit Keogh plan. Robert John Nagoda II and Ralph D. Black, Greater Income Tax and Estate Planning Opportunities Available with Keogh Plans, 14 Est. Plan. 354, 354 (Nov./Dec.l987). On the other hand, working individuals may contribute up to the lesser of $2,000 or 100 percent of annual compensation or earned income to an IRA. Married couples with only one working spouse may contribute up to $2,250 annually. Grotberg, supra note 6 at 171-72.
.A 401(k) plan is an ERISA qualified plan established by an employer. An employee may contribute pre-tax dollars to the plan. Often, the employer will match the employee’s contribution.
. The Iowa statute provided an exemption for "the debtor’s rights in ... [a] payment under a pension, annuity or similar plan or contract on account of illness, disability, death, age, or length of service.”
In re Huebner,
. The
Huebner
court indicated that the statutory language ("rights in” a payment) limited a debt- or's exemption rights more than the federal exemption language ("right to receive” a payment).
See Huebner,
.Control has been an important factor in many cases on this subject.
See Cilek,
. The Citek court reached a similar conclusion:
To argue that an asset is not exempt because the debtor controls the claimed exemption implies the premise that all assets controlled by the debtor are not exempt. Neither the language of the Bankruptcy Code nor the legislative history supports such twisted reasoning. Such reasoning renders 11 U.S.C. § 522(d) meaningless because debtors usually own and control those assets which they claim as exemptions ____
Those courts which distinguish IRAs from other retirement plans because of the debtor’s control over the IRA mistakenly apply a concept helpful in determining the property of the estate under the Act to the unrelated determination of exemptions under the Code.
Citek,
