The defendant raises several errors occurring during the trial which will be discussed seri-atim.
Sequestering of Minor Witnesses.
During the trial the court refused to separate the minor witnesses from each other while testifying and this ruling is claimed by the defendant to be error. It has long been the majority rule in this country and the specific rule in Wisconsin following the early English rule that the exclusion, separation, sequestration of wit
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nesses or “putting witnesses under the rule” is not a matter of right but lies in the legal discretion of the trial court. Annot. 32 A. L. R. 2d 358; 53 Am. Jur.,
Trial,
p. 46, sec. 31. Consequently, unless there is an abuse of discretion, this court on' appeal will not reverse for a refusal to sequester witnesses. The basis for sequestration of witnesses is to assure a fair trial, which sometimes can only be obtained by excluding other witnesses from the courtroom while a witness is testifying. It may turn out that a failure to sequester witnesses results in prejudice to the defendant, but unless it does so it can hardly be said that there was an abuse of discretion. The majority rule does not presume prejudice from a failure to sequester.
Loose v. State
(1903),
We find no abuse of discretion in this record. The inconsistencies in the children’s testimony with their prior statements are minor and refer to circumstances prior to the crime. Their testimony in relation to the actual crime was consistent with their prior statements. Only the six-year-old girl was a witness to the criminal acts.
Voir Dire of Minor Witnesses in Presence of Jury.
The defendant claims the court should not have questioned the children concerning their competency as witnesses in the presence of the jury. The motion to remove the jury was denied on the ground that unless the jury saw the determination of the competency they would be skeptical of children nine and six-years-old testifying. We think the defendant has no absolute right to an examination outside the presence of the jury. This issue has been recently decided contrary to the argument of the defendant in
Collier v. State
(1966),
Defendant’s Presence at Conferences in Chambers.
During the trial the superintendent of schools requested that he be not called as a witness. His arguments were heard by the court in chambers in the presence of attorneys but the defendant was not present. The court ruled the superintendent enjoyed no immunity and would be required to testify. Thereupon, the defendant’s counsel excused him as a witness. The defendant contends his right to be present during the trial extends to be present at such a conference in the judge’s chambers and the right is of such a nature his counsel cannot waive it. The defendant relies on
French v. State
(1893),
The question here is not waiver but whether the defendant has a right to attend a conference in chambers and admits of no categorical “yes” or “no” answer. A conference in chambers might well constitute part of the trial depending upon what matters are discussed or passed upon. Likewise, such a conference might not be a part of the trial in the sense of one’s constitutional right to be present.
See
Annot. 85 A. L. R. 2d 1111.
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When a conference in chambers deals solely with a question of law or preliminary matters of procedure, it has been held not to constitute a part of the trial in the constitutional sense. In
Snyder v. Massachusetts
(1934),
In United States v. Johnson (3d Cir. 1942), 129 Fed. 2d 954, the court held it was not a denial of the sixth amendment to exclude the defendant during a hearing on his counsel’s objection to the cross-examination of the defendant. The court considered the right of a defendant to be present when the jury is absent was not absolute but qualified by the condition that nothing should occur when he is not present which would put him in jeopardy. In Root v. Cunningham (4th Cir. 1965), 344 Fed. 2d 1, the court held the accused had no state or federal constitutional right to be present when the attorneys and the judge discussed proposed instructions on the theory questions of law are subsidiary to the trial itself and the ultimate ruling of the judge is made in the presence of the defendant and the jury when objections on his behalf can be noted on the record. The defendant’s rights are thus protected in open court.
We think, however, that conferences of the court and attorneys outside the presence of the accused should be rarely held during the trial and the trial judge should be solicitous in allowing the defendant to be present at a conference in chambers when he requests it. There is *86 always a risk of the conference exceeding a noncon-stitutional scope or causing misunderstanding.
Improper Cross-Examination of Defendant.
Prior to the defendant’s taking the stand on his own behalf it had been agreed in chambers that the defendant would admit he had been convicted of a felony and the number thereof and the prosecutor would not go into the matter during cross-examination. The defendant claims the prosecutor violated this understanding by referring to “correctional institution” during the cross-examination and asking the defendant if he had an automobile driver’s license. Objections were made and sustained, and the jury was instructed to disregard the references. Mention of a correctional institution was first made by the defendant on cross-examination in explaining how long a time within the last five years he had spent with his family. In his direct testimony he attempted to show he was a family man and spent much of his time at home. The question was relevant on the point of whether the defendant was in fact a family man.
See Robinson v. State
(1910),
Discovery.
At a pretrial conference the defendant requested the state to produce all the statements of witnesses it had taken. At the trial the defendant again moved for the *87 production of written statements, memoranda, notes, and other records of communications which the state had from any witnesses pertinent to' the case. The defendant argues he was prejudiced by the state’s failure to turn over certain notes made by a deputy sheriff on the night of the crime while the sheriff questioned the children and the baby-sitter.. The first knowledge of the existence of these notes by either attorney came during the cross-examination of the sheriff. The deputy sheriff was not a witness.
There is no error in denying the right to a pretrial discovery of the prosecution’s evidence or of the deputy sheriff’s notes. The right to a fishing expedition in the criminal-law field has not been recognized in Wisconsin and the rule was affirmed in
State ex rel. Byrne v. Circuit Court
(1962),
There is no error in the trial court’s refusing to turn over the deputy sheriff’s notes during the trial. These notes did not meet the test of
State v. Richards
(1963),
The defendant argues
Giles v. Maryland
(1967),
By the Court. — Judgment and orders affirmed.
