MEMORANDUM ORDER
A. BACKGROUND
This dispute involves the assertion of attorney-client privilege by defendant during a deposition of a former employee of the defen
Plaintiffs counsel then contacted the Court regarding the privilege dispute. A short argument regarding the assertion of the attorney-client privilege was then held, on the record. Ms. Bresnan indicated at this point that her conversation with Ms. Klaber was a “two-way discussion,” Dep. at 103, in that the witness spoke to her about “the underlying facts in this case,” and Ms. Bresnan, in turn, spoke to the witness about “the defendant’s position.” Their conversation during the break, according to Ms. Klaber, involved a request for “guidance on how to answer a line of inquiry that she perceived may cause her problems or may be unclear.” Id. Ms. Klaber’s deposition was continued, and the parties submitted letter briefs.
B. Discussion
In Upjohn Co. v. United States, the Supreme Court held that a corporation’s attorneys’ conversations with corporate employees could be covered by the attorney-client privilege.
A communication is privileged when, as here, an employee or former employee speaks at the direction of the management with an attorney regarding conduct or proposed conduct within the scope of employment.
Several federal courts have addressed this issue, and determined that Upjohn’s rationale applies to former employees. In In re Coordinated Pretrial Proceedings in Petroleum Products Antitrust, the Ninth Circuit noted, in a footnote, that the attorney-client privilege covers communications with former employees because “former employees, as well as current employees, may possess the relevant information needed by corporate counsel to advise the client with respect to actual or potential difficulties,” and because “the attorney-client privilege is served by the certainty that conversations between the attorney and client will remain privileged after the employee leaves.”
The Second Circuit has not yet ruled on this issue, but several District Courts have considered the question in the context of deciding whether ex parte communications by opposing counsel with a former employee of a corporate party violated Model Rule 4.2. In Dubois v. Gradeo Systems,
[S]ome former employees continue to personify the organization even after they have terminated their employment relationship. An example would be a managerial level employee involved in the underlying transaction, who is also conferring with the organization’s lawyer in marshaling the evidence on its behalf____ This kind of former employee is undoubtedly privy to privileged information, including work product, and an opposing lawyer is not entitled to reap a harvest of such information without a valid waiver by the organi-zation____
Id. at 346, quoting G. Hazard and W. Hodes, the Law of Lawyering: A Handbook on the Model Rules of Professional Conduct 436-436.1. Because the defendant in Dubois had not identified any specific privileged information to which the former employees were privy, a protective order was not justified. Id. See also Polycast Technology Corp. v. Uniroyal, Inc.,
Other courts have reached different conclusions. In Clark Equipment Co. v. Lift Parts Mfg. Co., No. 82C4585,
Former employees are not the client. They share no identity of interest in the outcome of the litigation. Their willingness to provide information is unrelated to the directions of their former corporate superiors, and they have no duty to their former employers to provide such information. It is virtually impossible to distinguish the position of a former employee from any other third party who might have pertinent information about one or more corporate parties to a lawsuit.
Id. at *12. See also Barrett Industrial Trucks v. Old Republic Ins. Company,
None of the cases cited above answers the specific question presented in this case: whether, under federal law, counsel for an employer can claim a privilege as to its attorney’s communications in preparing an unrepresented former employee for deposition by opposing counsel, and/or such attorney’s communications during the deposition about her testimony in that deposition. In the Court’s view, wholesale application of the Upjohn principles to former employees as if they were no different than current employees is not justified by the underlying reasoning of Upjohn. Ms. Klaber is not an employee of Cendant, such that she must speak “at the direction of the management.”
[T]he privilege remains an exception to the general duty to disclose. Its benefits are all indirect and speculative; its obstruction is plain and concrete.... It is worth preserving for the sake of a general policy, but it is nonetheless an obstacle to the investigation of the truth. It ought to be strictly confined within the narrowest possible limits consistent with the logic of its principle.
8 Wigmore, Evidence sec. 2291, at 554 (rev. ed.1961).
Applying the rationale of the above cases, the Court concludes that any privileged information obtained by Ms. Klaber while an employee of Cendant, including any information conveyed by counsel during that period, remains privileged upon the termination of her employment. As the Ninth Circuit noted in Petroleum Products “the attorney-client privilege is served by the certainty that conversations between the attorney and client will remain privileged after the employee leaves.”
This conclusion, however, does not completely resolve the parties’ current dispute about communications which occurred after Ms. Klaber’s employment ended, related to her deposition preparation and testimony. To the extent that conversations between Ms. Bresnan and Ms. Klaber went beyond Ms. Klaber’s knowledge of the circumstances of plaintiffs employment and termination, and beyond Ms. Klaber’s other activities within the course of her employment with the defendant, such communications, if any, have not been shown to be entitled to defendant’s attorney-client privilege. If, for example, Ms. Bresnan informed Ms. Klaber of facts developed during the litigation, such as testimony of other witnesses, of which Ms. Klaber would not have had prior or independent personal knowledge, such communications would not be privileged, particularly given their potential to influence a witness to conform or adjust her testimony to such information, consciously or unconsciously. Although it is not clear from the record of the oral argument what Ms. Bresnan meant by “defendant’s position,” to the extent these communications exceeded the boundaries discussed above, they are not covered by Cen-dant’s attorney-client privilege. Further, with respect to the inquiry into Ms. Bresnan and Ms. Klaber’s discussions during the break as to how a question should be handled, they have not been shown to be entitled to any privilege, and opposing counsel has the right to ask about matters that may have affected or changed the witness’s testimony.
The distinction drawn by the Court between attorney-client privileged and non-privileged communications with former employees should not be difficult to apply if the essential point is kept in mind: did the communication relate to the former employee’s conduct and knowledge, or communication with defendant’s counsel, during his or her employment? If so, such communication is protected from disclosure by defendant’s attorney-client privilege under Upjohn. As to any communication between defendant’s
While the parties did not address the issue in their letter briefs, the communications here may be shielded by the work-product doctrine. See Barrett Industrial Trucks,
To the extent the communications are specifically Ms. Bresnan’s conclusions or opinions, they may be covered by work product protection under Fed.R.Civ.P. Rule 26. Since the purpose of the work product doctrine “is not to protect the evidence from disclosure to the outside world, but rather to protect it only from the knowledge of opposing counsel and his client,” it follows that “disclosure of [work product information] to third persons does not waive the work-product immunity.” C. Wright, A. Miller & R. Marcus, Federal Practice and Procedure: Civil 2d § 2024. See also Morales v. United States,
Counsel are directed to conclude Ms. Kla-ber’s deposition in accordance with this opinion.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
Notes
. According to the Restatement (Third) of the Law Governing Lawyers, the attorney-client privilege would not normally attach to communications between former employees and counsel for the former employer. § 123, Comment e. The Restatement relies on agency principles to reach this conclusion, but notes an exception for employees that may have a continuing duty to the corporation.
