On June 29, 1976, defendant was convicted by a jury of armed robbery in contravention of MCL 750.529; MSA 28.797 and was sentenced to a term of life imprisonment. He appeals as of right claiming that the trial judge erred in not holding an evidentiary hearing to establish that the in-court identifications made by two witnesses had a basis independent from any pretrial photographic lineups and in excluding expert testimony on the process by which people perceive and remember events and how pretrial identification procedures could affect this process.
At trial, two eyewitnesses testified that they had been shown photographs for the purpose of identifying the robber. This occurred while defendant was in custody and without his counsel being present in contravention of the holding in
People v
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Anderson,
"The court should attempt, in its evidentiary hearing, to examine as many factors as are applicable to a particular case. All will not be of equal weight, but it is within the trial court’s discretion, keeping in mind the appropriate legal and psychological principles to determine, on balance, whether the prosecution has carried its burden of proof.
"Upon consideration of such relevant factors, the trial court must state on the record the reasons for determining whether the prosecution has established by clear and convincing evidence that the in-court identification has a sufficient independent basis to purge the taint caused by the illegal confrontation.” Kachar, supra, 97.
At trial, there was no record made of any evidentiary hearing concerning the independent basis
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of Miss Colbin’s testimony. The prosecutor, on appeal, contends that Miss Colbin’s inability to identify defendant from the photographs shown to her establishes a sufficient independent basis, see
People v Manuel Johnson,
Defendant also made a motion to suppress the testimony of Mr. Downer. After his testimony, the jury was excused and objections were raised concerning it. He was questioned about the identification procedure and his ability to identify defendant. However, the record of this discussion is insufficient for the purposes of appellate review under the standard enunciated in
Kachar, supra.
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The record does not show any inquiry into the factors enumerated in
Kachar, supra,
as affecting the accuracy of the identification. Also, there is no finding by the trial court on how these factors interacted in this particular case and no conclusion as to whether the people had shown an independent basis by clear and convincing evidence. The admission of these in-court identifications cannot be considered harmless error under
People v Anderson,
Consequently, a remand for an evidentiary hearing on this issue is required. If, at this hearing, the people can establish by clear and convincing evidence that the in-court identification by these two witnesses 1 had a basis independent of the pretrial identification procedure, the conviction is affirmed. If an independent basis cannot be shown, the conviction is reversed and a new trial is ordered.
The second issue raised by defendant involves the trial judge’s decision not to admit expert testimony on the process by which people perceive and remember events and how pretrial identification procedures can affect this process. The trial judge, in exercising his discretion, excluded this evidence on the basis that; the expert had not interviewed any of the eyewitnesses; that the subject matter of his testimony was within the experiences of ordinary laymen; and that its introduction would result in counter-expert testimony by the people on this subject and this would not be an efficient use of limited judicial resources. He did not exclude *96 this evidence on the basis that it embraced an ultimate issue of fact, see GCR 1963, 605. The judge ruled that this issue could be presented to the jury during closing argument but that it was not proper to introduce testimony on it.
Historically, expert testimony on this issue has been excluded unless the witness suffered from physical or mental disorders or delusions, 20 ALR3d 684. The holdings in Michigan Cases,
People v Cowles,
The trial judge in this ’ case did not commit reversible error in excluding this testimony. The expert had not interviewed or questioned any of the eyewitnesses about whom he was to testify and had only observed them in the courtroom. Also, the trial judge did not completely foreclose the *97 presentation of this issue since he offered to let counsel pursue the matter during closing argument. Furthermore, the decision not to reverse the judge’s ruling on this issue does not appear inconsistent with substantial justice and so the verdict cannot be set aside, GCR 1963, 529.
Remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion. We do not retain jurisdiction.
Notes
On appeal, defendant also assigns as error the introduction of an in-court identification by Mr. Rosen, who was shown a photographic lineup. However, since this issue was not presented to the trial court and no motion to surpress was made, the issue has not been preserved for review,
People v Tofil,
