OPINION OF THE COURT
New Jersey Bell Telephone Company (“Bell”) appeals from a National Labor Relations Board (“Board”) finding that Bell committed two unfair labor practices arising out of circumstances surrounding the five day suspension of one of its employees. In light of the appropriate standard of review of decisions of administrative agencies, we enforce the Board’s Decision and Order.
I. Background
In response to a customer's complaint concerning calls to her unlisted number, a Bell security representative, Lorraine Vasi-lik, discovered that a Bell сustomer service representative, Elizabeth Lynch, had accessed that customer’s account without authorization.
On November 4, Vasilik and one other security representative interviewed Lynch concerning access to the account to determine whether Lynch had disclosed the unlisted number without authorization. At the outset of that encounter, Lynch asked whether she should have a union representative present. 1 Vasilik told her to wait until the security representatives had explained the purpose of the interview, and then make up her mind concerning whether or not she wanted a union representative. Vasilik then proceeded to tell Lynch that they were interested in the account Lynch *146 had accessed. The Administrative Law Judge found “Vasilik did not pause nor ask Lynch whether now that she knew the purpose of the interview, did she wish union representation.” Appendix (“App.”) at 27 (opinion of the Administrative Law Judge (“ALJ”)). 2 Instead, Vasilik immediately asked Lynch whether she could tape the interview. 3
After Vasilik presented Lynch with evidence of the access, in the form of computer records called “Note Screеns,” Lynch admitted that she had accessed the account. Lynch denied that she had disclosed the unlisted phone number. However, at the end of the interview, Lynch signed a statement confessing both to accessing the account and to disclosing the telephone number. Lynch initially maintained that she had not disclosed the number, and had signed the statement without realizing that an admission was contained in it. See App. at 28, 31 (Decision of the Board), 111-15 (Lynch Testimony), 279-80 (Tovey Testimony).
Five days after the interview, the same customer complained to Vasilik that she had been called by Lynch. Vasilik made a handwritten report of this conversation which became a part of the Security Report, but neither reported the conversation to local management nor discussed the conversation with Lynch.
On November 16, Lynch’s manager, Anne Tovey, prepared a memo reporting the information gathered in the Security Report. Based solely on that memo, Bell’s Director of Business Services concluded that a five day suspension was warranted. After Tovey imposed the suspension, Lynch’s union, Local 1022, Communications Workers of America (“CWA”), 4 filed a grievance on Lynch’s behalf. CWA requested full copies of both the Security Report and the Note Screens to facilitate its processing of the grievance. In response to this request, Tovey gave CWA only the second of two pages of the Note Screens. Tovey considered the Security Report confidential, and the first page of the Note Screens irrelevant to the processing of the grievance.
After Bell denied further CWA requests for the withheld information, unfair labor practice charges were filed with the Board. The charges alleged that the denial of a union representative during the November 4 interview violated Section 8(a)(1) of the National Labor Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. §§ 157-160 (“NLRA” or “Act”), and that Bell’s refusal to furnish the requested information violated Sections 8(a)(1) and (5) of the Act.
The Board unanimously concluded that Bell violated Lynch’s
Weingarten
right to have a union representative present during an investigatory interview.
See infra
p. 148 (discussing
National Labor Relations Board v. J. Weingarten, Inc.,
II. Standard of Review
The first issue for our consideration is the aрpropriate standard of review of Board determinations. The Board contends that the issue of whether Lynch made an adequate request for union representation during the interview is purely a question of fact, and therefore should be considered conclusive if it is supported by “substantial evidence on the record as a *147 whole.” 29 U.S.C. § 160(e). We do not entirely agree. We consider the question as one of mixed law and fact. Accordingly, we hold that the Board’s finding that Lynch actually asked whether she should have union representation is one of fact. We аlso hold that that finding is supported by substantial evidence in the record.
The issue of whether Lynch’s inquiry was sufficient to trigger Weingarten rights, see infra p. 148, constitutes a legal question concerning the construction of the NLRA which we deem is more appropriately viewed as a question of law. Similarly, the Board’s conclusion that Bell violated the Act by refusing to provide CWA with requested information also concerns the Board’s construction of the Act.
Our review of the Board’s construction of the National Labor Relations Act is guided by
Chevron, U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council Inc.,
When the Board’s construction of the Act is one permissible interpretation out of many, this court is not free to substitute its preference for that of the Board.
See Chevron,
Thus, when reviewing Board orders, the court must address three discrete issues. First, the court determines whether the NLRA provides a clear rule to be applied in the case, and if so, whethеr the Board complied with the Act. If no clear rule is provided, the court then determines whether the NLRA permits the Board order that *148 is the subject of the appeal. Finally, if the Board order is permissible, the court must review NLRB precedent to determine whether that order is consistent with such precedent.
The two statutory provisions at issue in this case are Sections 8(a)(1) and (5) of the NLRA, which state:
(a) It shall be an unfair labor practice for an employer—
(1) to interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in section 157 of this title; 6
(5) to refuse to bargain collectively with the representatives of his employees
29 U.S.C. §§ 158(a)(1) & (5).
Bell does not contend that the unfair labor practice findings by the Board conflict directly with either of the above-quoted sections, or with the clear intent of Congress.
Cf. Chevron,
III. The Weingarten Violation
As noted above, the Board unanimously concluded that Bell violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act by infringing upon Lynch’s
Weingarten
rights.
7
In
National Labor Relations Board v. Weingarten, Inc.,
A prerequisite to finding a Weingarten violation is a determination that the employee expressed some desire to have a union representative present during the interview in question:
the right arises only in situations where the employee requests representation. In other words, the employee may forgo his guaranteed right and, if he prefers, participate in an interview unaccompanied by his union representative.
Id.
at 257,
The Seventh Circuit held, in
National Labor Relations Board v. Illinois Bell Telephone Company,
The rationale of Illinois Bell Telephone is fully apрlicable to the present circumstances. As soon as the security representatives identified themselves, Lynch asked:
What was she there for?; Why was security there? What’s this all about?; Before receiving an answer to any of these questions, Lynch asked if she should have a union representative present?
App. at 27a. Both of the security representatives testified that Lynch’s first words at the investigatory interview were to question whether she should have a union representative. 8 Additionally, the ALJ concluded:
Thus, Vasilik in my view misled Lynch into believing that once the purpose of the interview was explainеd to her, she would have an opportunity to decide whether she wants representation, before the interview proceeded. Not only did Vasilik not ask Lynch at that point whether she now wished union representation or not, but charged ahead without even a hesitation to interrogate Lynch about matters under investigation.
Vasilik instead proceeded with the interview, without as much as a pause to permit Lynch to make a decision, that Vasilik had suggested to her that she would be able to make.
App. at 36a-37a. In light of the holding in Illinois Bell Telephone Company, and the particular facts of this case, we hold that the Boаrd’s finding of a Section 8(a)(1) violation is permissible under the Act.
Finally, the finding of an 8(a)(1) violation in these circumstances is consistent with prior Board decisions.
Cf. United Food and Commercial Workers Union,
Also instructive is
Bodolay Packaging Machinery, Inc.,
*149 Immediately upon Durkin’s arrival at work the following morning, Siller asked Durkin to accompany him to Golden’s office. Durkin asked if he needed his union representative. Siller answered no, it was only a discussion. In the office, Siller again asked Durkin for an explanation for being late ... and for failing to seek prior approval for overtime.
*150 The Board’s conclusion that Lynch’s inquiry was sufficient to trigger Weingarten is fully supported by Board precedent. We hold that the Board’s conclusion that Bell violated Section 8(a)(1) by denying Lynch union representation meets the requirements of the Supreme Court’s decisions in both Chevron and United Food and Commercial Workers Union. Accordingly, we will enforce the Board’s order.
IV. Duty to Provide Information
Thе final issue before us is whether the Board majority’s opinion, that Bell’s refusal to supply CWA with the Security Report and the first page of the computer Note Screens violated Sections 8(a)(1) and (5) of the Act, comprises a permissible construction of the statute.
As part of its statutory obligation to bargain collectively,
see supra
pp. 8-9 (Section 8(a)(5) of the NLRA), Bell is required “to provide information that is needed by the bargaining representative for the proper performance of its duties.”
National Labor Relations Board v. Acme Industrial Co.,
In deciding whether specifically requested information is of the type a company must disclose, the Supreme Court approved the Board’s use of a “discovery-type” standard: there must only be a “probability that the desired information is relevant.”
Acme Industrial Co.,
Bell argues that the Security Report and the first page of the Note Screens fall within a Board created exception to the
Acme Industrial
rule. In
Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
The Board has refused to extend the
Anheuser-Busch
holding beyond witness statements, however. Notably,
Anheuser-Busch
specifically left intact a prior holding that lists of witnesses’ names and addresses had to be released to employee representatives.
See
Most persuasively, businesses have been ordered to reveal documents similar to those at issue here. In
United Technologies Corp.,
In the matter at hand, the Board held that the requested material simply did not fall within the Anheuser-Busch exception.
[UJnder the undisputed facts of this case we cannot find that the reports made by Respondent’s officials can be construed as a statement made by a complaining customer.
It is undisputed that the customer did not review the reports, have them read to her ... or in any manner adopt them_ Further, there is no contention that the reports are or even approximate a verbatim transcript.... [T]he reports are in essence the handiwork of the Respondent’s officials, reflective only of their impressions of what transpired ... as well as whatever other material the officials may have deemed appropriate to include in the reports.’’
*152
App. at 17a (emphasis added). The witness statement rale was originally created by the Bоard as an exception to the general discovery rule approved by the Supreme Court. A limited interpretation of this exception is a permissible interpretation of the Act.
Cf. Chevron,
Board Member Devaney, in dissent, concluded that the Security Report were witness statements within the meaning of An-heuser-Busch:
[T]he judge’s finding that harassment of [the customer] has already occurred speaks forcefully for the application of Anheuser-Busch here to both [the customer’s] initial statement as well as to [her] additional communication with the Respondent. Accordingly, in agreement with the judge, I would find that [the customer’s] complaints are witness statements protected from disclosure under
Anheuser-Busch-
App. at 22a-l. Under the factual matrix of this case, it is a close judgment as to whether the policy advocated by the majority or the dissent is the more reasonable view. However, neither view conflicts with Congressional intent as expressed in the NLRA. It is in this twilight zone of administrative discretion where we believe that the Board should be affirmed under either the view of thе majority or of the dissent.
Since its ruling in this case, the Board has further refined the Anheuser-Busch doctrine. In Pennsylvania Power & Light Co., 301 N.L.R.B. No. 138 (1991), the union requested the names, addresses, and statements made by informants the company had used in investigating suspected violations of its drug and alcohol policy. This request was made in relation to pending grievances. The company denied the request based on both Detroit Edison 11 and Anheuser-Busch. The Board held that Detroit Edison required a balancing of interests. Pennsylvania Power & Light Co., 301 N.L.R.B., slip op. at 5. 12 The Board then concluded that the company was not required to disclose the names, addresses, witness statements, or other identifying information of its informants. However, the company was ordered to disclose informаtion of relevance here:
Balancing the competing interests, however, we find, contrary to the judge, that the Respondent is required to supply the Union with a summary of the informants’ statements. This summary should be drafted to include information on which the Respondent relied to meet the threshold “suspicion” standard for *153 performing the drug tests.... In our view, such a summary should be sufficient to give the Union notice of whether the Respondent the “suspicion” standard.
Id. at 11-12. The Security Reports requested by CWA are virtually identical to the summaries the Board required in Pennsylvania Power & Light Co. 13
We do not deem inconsequential the potential problem of harassment and intimidation as stressed by the dissenting Board member and the AU. Nor do we diminish the importance of the
Detroit Edison
exception to the
Acme Industrial
rule, created for the protection of confidential information.
See Detroit Edison Co.,
V. Conclusion
Bell’s appeal invites us to grapple with the fine points of the Anheuser-Busch rule as it applies to the delicate interplay among companies, unions, and customers. While the invitation is tempting, it is an invitation we may not accept in light of the Decision and Order of the Board.
When a challenge to an agency construction of a statutory provision, fairly conceptualized, really centers on the wisdom of the agency’s policy, rather than whether it is a reasonable choice within a gap left open by Congress, the challenge must fail.
Chevron,
Notes
. Carmine Inteso, the other security representative who was present during the interview, testified that as soon as Inteso and Vasilik had introduced themselves as security rеpresentatives: "[Lynch] asked if she should have a union rep present.” Appendix ("App.”) at 168a. Inte-so later testified that “[Lynch] asked when she first came in the room only that should she (sic) have a union rep present." Id. at 170a.
. Inteso testified that Vasilik
started to explain to [Lynch] that we have a problem with her accessing an account.
Q. Now did Ms. Lynch respond to that at all?
A. I wouldn’t recall what the response is. Probably what, you know, what do you mean, something of that nature. It started, it flowed right from there into an interview.
. Inteso testified that his standard operating procedure when an employee asked whether a union representative should be present was to tell the employee "that the decision is up to the employee, but he would require the employee to make the decision at the time the question was raised.” App. at 27a n. 2; see also App. at 181a ("I won’t proceed until they tell me yes or no.”). There is no explanation in the record of why Inteso did not follow his ordinary procedure.
.CWA is an intervenor in this appeal.
. Inconsistency with precedent will not alone invalidate a Board order. The court reasoned in
Communication Workers of America v. National Labor Relations Board,
. Section 7 of the Act states:
Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engаge in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection....
29 U.S.C. § 157.
. Bell does not argue that the Board’s interpretation of the Act is an impermissible one.
See Chevron,
. Under the circumstances, we do not construe this question as Lynch asking the opinion of the two security representatives on their views of union representation, but rather asking whether or not the interview was investigatory, whether Lynch could reasonably expect to receive discipline as a result of it, and if so, whether she could have a union representative present.
. In
Robbins Tire & Rubber Co.
the Court construed an exemption to mandatory disclosure under the FOIA. The exemption protected from disclosure those documents, which if disclosed, would interfere with enforcement proceedings. The employer contended that a determination of whether the disclosure would interfere with an ongoing proceeding should be done on a case by case basis.
See
. We note that the
Acme Industrial
rule has also been used to find unions in violation of the Act.
See, e.g., Culinary Workers’ Union,
.
Detroit Edison
concerned a union request to review an employment aptitude test, and its answers, for use in the preparation of the arbitration of a grievance. The company refused to supply test questions, employee answers, and the scores of individual employees. The Board ordered the company to disclose all of the requested material. The Supreme Court reversed based on the "legitimate and substantial” concern of the company in keeping the test secret.
The Board has read
Detroit Edison
as requiring a balancing of the company's interest in keeping information confidential with the union’s need for information to adequately represent its members. For example in
General Dynamics Corp.,
On appeal, Bell does not contend that the information requested by CWA in this matter falls within the Detroit Edison exception. In fact, Bell does not cite Detroit Edison.
.
Accord Olivetti Office U.S.A., Inc. v. National Labor Relations Board,
. In
Certainteed Corp.,
