This case comes to us from the National Labor Relations Board on an application for enforcement and a cross-petition for review. See National Labor Relations Act § 10(e)-(f), 29 U.S.C. § 160(e)-(f) (1976). The Southwestern Bell Telephone Company claims that a three-member panel of the Board erroneously found that the Company had unfairly disciplined one of its employees, James Leuckan, for insubordination, and that he was wrongfully awarded back-pay for the four hours during which he was suspended. Since we find that the Board’s order is supported by substantial evidence, we order that it be enforced.
These proceedings originally arose out of a dispute between Leuckan and one of his immediate supervisors, Donald Sony. Leuckan was a shop steward for Local 12222 оf the Communication Workers of America. In his capacity as such, he had negotiated a provisional compromise agreement with Sony concerning the Company’s system of distributing overtime work assignments. AIL appeared to have been worked out smoothly when, because of a small hitch in the arrangements, Sony decided to cancel the agreement. He accordingly walked over to Leuckan’s desk and informed him of his decision. Leuckan’s temper soon flared, and he asserted loudly, “I’m going to .... I’ll see you fry.”
Anоther supervisor, Dale Armstrong, interceded and told Leuckan to calm down and discuss the matter later. Leuckan agreed that he should keep his voice down, but asked Sony if they could continue the discussion in a nearby empty office. Sony readily consented, and the two retired to the office, where the debate soon became quite heated. Leuckan again remarked, *976 “I’ll see you fry, if I have to do it myself.” Sony responded by telling Leuckan to be quiet and go back to work. Leuckan immediately did so, but commented to supervisor Armstrong as he returned to work, “I’m going to see that [expletive deleted] fry.”
The argument between Sony and Leuckan continued during the next day. Sony and Armstrong summoned Leuckan and another union steward, Sharon Turnstall, into an empty office to give Leuckan a formal, written warning that his intemperate comments of the previous day constituted insubordination and would not be tolerated in the future. Leuckan asked Sony to explain, and Sony responded by telling Leuckan to “shut up.” Leuckan then stood up and prepared to lеave the room, saying, “I don’t have to take this [expletives deleted].”
Turnstall prevailed upon him to stay, but when it appeared that Sony would not allow her to speak on his behalf, he demanded the opportunity to call a representative of the uniоn. Sony shouted, “You’re not calling anybody. This is my meeting. I’ll tell you who can talk and who can’t talk.” When Leuckan repeated his request for a representative from the union, Sony announced, “You’re suspended . . . [for] [insubordination,” and told him to leave the building for four working hours.
“Thus,” in the words of the administrative law judge, “Leuckan was suspended for four hours and lost four hours’ pay, and that is what this case is all about.”
The administrative law judge found that the company’s attempt to punish Leuckan for his variously embroidered “fry” remarks violated section 8(a)(1) оf the National Labor Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 158(a)(1) (1976). The ALJ further found that the harsher remarks of the next day fell within the ambit of the provoked insubordination doctrine — an employee may not be provoked into an intemperate outburst by the threatened imposition of illegal punishment — and therefore, too, could not constitute the kind of insubordination that would justify the Company in suspending Leuckan from work. The panel of the Board agreed, and adopted the findings and recommendations of the ALJ. Leuckan was awarded four hours’ backрay, and the letter of censure was ordered removed from his personnel file. We think that the order should be enforced.
The scope of our review, as both parties agree, is quite limited. We must determine “[w]hether on the record as a whole there is substantial evidence to support” the decision of the Board.
Universal Camera Corp. v. NLRB,
This case presents the issues of whether, first, Leuckan was properly reprimanded for his several “fry” remarks, аnd second, whether he was properly suspended for his intemperate language at the resulting disciplinary meeting the following day. We address each issue in turn.
The original dispute between Leuckan and Sony, as explained above, grew out of negotiations аbout the terms and conditions of employment — how overtime hours were to be assigned. The standards that the Board is required to apply in examining the intemperate remarks of participants in this kind of negotiation are well settled.
See Bettcher Manufacturing Corp.,
Any given Board decision under this test will necessarily be a value judgment heavily dependent upon the particular facts of the ease.
See United States v. NLRB,
When Leuckan was told that he was raising his voice, he immediately agreed that he was talking too lоud, and asked his supervisor to continue the discussion in the privacy of a nearby office. The various “fry” remarks, in the judgment of the Board, did not constitute the kind of indefensible verbal abuse that is required to take a negotiating discussion outside of the protection of section 7. The Company nonetheless insists that Leuckan’s comments were so extreme, so vituperative, and so often repeated that they should fall outside the rule. We can only reply that however sympathetic we might be to the Company’s plight, we simply cannot adopt the Company’s arguments because our review is restricted to the substantial evidence test outlined above. The ALJ carefully considered the Company’s version of what transpired, and just as carefully rejected it:
In my view the nature and tenor of thе testimony of Sony, Armstrong and Leuckan at the hearing in which they described these events does not warrant the Respondent’s vivid depiction of a tension-drawn confrontation, but merely one in which both Sony and Leuckan became somewhat angered and Leuckan made, at most, an ambiguous statement concerning the fact that he would see Sony fry. There is nothing in the record to give guidance as to what the special meaning, if any, of this statement might have been, nor is there anything other than the self-serving statement of Sony that, under all the circumstances, he had any reason to fear for his immediate or future safety or that the statement conveyed to him any intent by Leuckan to do him physical harm.
260 N.L.R.B. at-. Sony, after all, would hardly have retired to the private office alone with Leuckаn if he had feared an imminent punch in the nose. In short, we do not think that the present case even approaches the line where “substantial” shades over into “insubstantial” evidence.
Implicitly recognizing its small chance of success under the generous “indefensible under the circumstances” test, the Company has attempted to show that the test simply does not apply. The Company first claims that the “fry” remarks constituted “personal abuse,” which does not come within the protection of the rule. This is, however, a plаin misstatement of the law. See the cases cited supra.
Second, the Company argues that the rule does not cover negotiations in an open work area, where non-participating employees can see the breakdown in employer-employee discipline that inevitably accompanies heated negotiations. This objection also misstates both the law and the facts. It is well settled that the public or closed-door setting of a dispute is only one of the many considerations that the Board looks at in determining the scоpe of permissible language.
See, e.g., United States v. NLRB, supra,
Third, the Company alleges that the negotiations between Leuckan and Sony аbout overtime assignments were somehow not real negotiations at all because they were conducted “outside the [formal] grievance channels.” Again, the Company misstates both the facts and the law. Section 7 rights are not now and never have beеn confined to negotiations conducted only during formal grievance, arbitration, or labor contract bargaining sessions.
See, e.g., United States v. NLRB, supra,
The informal resolution of latent grievances is a recognized, and indeed essential, component of the parties’ grievance procedure. Without such informal resolutions, there is a risk of destroying the effeсtiveness of that procedure by weighing it down with formalized grievances. Unless employees are assured that they will be treated as equals when engaged in the informal resolution stage and that they will be free from discipline for freely speaking their minds, they will be discouraged from seeking informal resolution and encouraged to seek the protections of the more formalized grievance procedure.
Ryder Truck Lines, Inc.,
The second major issue, then, is whеther the Company could lawfully suspend Leuckan for his outbursts at the next day’s disciplinary meeting. We hold that it could not. It has long been settled that an employer may not rely on employee conduct that it has unlawfully provoked as a basis for disciplining an emplоyee.
See, e.g., NLRB v. Steinerfilm, Inc.,
The order of the Board is therefore
ENFORCED.
Notes
. Moreover, to the extent that the Company’s argument appears to suggest that Sony’s renunciation of the tentative overtime agreement somehow limited Leuckan’s right to pursue the matter, it is also incorrect as a matter оf law. It has long been well settled that an employer may not, by its own fiat, declare a matter closed and thus limit the employees’ right to protest. See,
e.g., United States v. NLRB, supra,
