On June 13, 1978, the United Paper Workers International Union, AFL CIO (the Union) petitioned to organize the employees of Polyflex M Company (Polyflex). Following a representation election won by the Union,
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Polyflex filed objections to the election, charging that Union conduct affected the election results. Among other things, Polyflex charged that “[t]he offer and/or promise of the [Union] to waive initiation fees was ambiguous and reasonably susceptible to an interpretation violative of the standard established in
NLRB v. Savair Manufacturing [Co.],
Under 29 C.F.R. § 102.69(c), a post-election hearing is required in representation proceedings when objections to the election raise substantial and material factual issues. This court has held that “[d]ue process requires the Board to grant ‘a [post-election] hearing to a losing party who had supplied prima facie evidence raising substantial and material issues that would warrant setting the election aside.’ ”
NLRB
v.
Claxton Manufacturing Co.,
To obtain a hearing, the losing party bears a heavy burden. Its affidavits must contain “ ‘specific evidence of specific events from or about specific people . conclusory allegations are not sufficient. NLRB v. Douglas County Electric Membership Corp.,358 F.2d 125 , 130 (5th Cir. 1966); see [NLRB v.] Golden Age [Beverage Co.,415 F.2d 26 , 33 (5th Cir. 1969)]; U. S. Rubber Co. [v. NLRB,373 F.2d 602 , 606 (5th Cir. 1967)]. Moreover, an election may be set aside only if the objectionable activity, when considered as a whole, either tended to or did influence the outcome of the election. NLRB v. Gulf States Canners, Inc.,585 F.2d 757 , 759 (5th Cir. 1978). . . .
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Claxton,
In
NLRB v. Savair Manufacturing Co.,
The question, then, is whether Poly-flex presented a prima facie case that Union representatives made statements which were subject to a reasonable interpretation by the employees that they could avoid initiation fees by joining the Union prior to the election. If Polyflex made such a showing, it is entitled to a hearing on its
Savair
claims for which the regional director’s ex parte investigation is no substitute. In order to determine whether Polyflex made a prima facie showing of a
Savair
violation, we must look to the evidence presented by Polyflex in support of its allegation. See
Claxton,
During the ex parte investigation of Polyfjex’s objections, an employee gave a sworn affidavit describing Union representations about initiation fees. In that affidavit, the employee stated that on May 27, 1978, she and nine other employees attended the Union’s initial organization meeting. Her affidavit details statements concerning the Union’s policy regarding initiation fees made by Hermann Merritt, a Union representative, at the meeting:
As I recall, at the Union meeting, Hermann Merritt told us that the Union dues would be $8.50 per month and that if we joined the Union now, the ones that did would not have to pay an initiation fee. Merritt said “if you get the Union voted in, the [employees] that support it now will not have to pay initiation fees”. I am absolutely certain that he said this. He also explained it as I recall.
As a matter of fact, Merritt said at the meeting that there would not be an initiation fee to join the Union. He said [the employees] would have to pay Union dues but not the initiation fee. He said once the Union’s established and bargained for [the employees] and got everything going good [the employees] would have to pay initiation fees.
According to the employee’s affidavit, Merritt distributed “union cards” at the meeting and all those employees in attendance signed a card.
In analyzing the question whether a hearing is required on the basis of the employee’s affidavit, we are confronted with the following difficulty: we cannot determine from the affidavit alone what objective interpretation a reasonable employee would derive from the statements allegedly made *131 by Merritt at the organization meeting when those statements are taken as a whole. For example, the statement that if employees joined the Union “now,” they would avoid an initiation fee suggests a Savair violation; while the statement that an initiation fee would apply only after the Union actually “got everything going good” may have been sufficient to alert those at the meeting that joining before the election was not a condition of avoiding any initiation fee. Because isolated statements violative of the Savair rule can be neutralized by explanation or clarification by the Union, Rounsaville of Tampa, Inc., 224 N.L.R.B. No. 45 (1976), it is at least possible that the quoted portions of the affidavit are accurate and yet no Savair violation occurred. On the other hand, the opposite conclusion is also possible. Since the relevant inquiry is whether the affidavit raises a substantial and material issue that would warrant setting the election aside, we think the proper course is to remand for a hearing that will determine what statements were made and what objective interpretation is warranted by the statements when taken as a whole.
The case is REMANDED to the Board for an evidentiary hearing.
Notes
. Twenty-six employees voted for the Union, fifteen employees voted against the Union, and five ballots were challenged.
. On the other hand, a “waiver of initiation fees available not only to those who have signed up with the union before an election but also to those who join after the election” does not violate
Savair.
