99 F.R.D. 632 | N.D. Ill. | 1983
MEMORANDUM OPINION
Plaintiff Sandy Lewis alleges that he was arrested without probable cause on March 28, 1981 and held in custody on suspicion of being one “Murray Brown, alias Michael Lewis,” a person wanted for possession of controlled substances. Lewis asserts that the police determined through fingerprints that he was not Murray Brown but nevertheless charged him with Brown’s alleged offenses and transported him to the Cook County Department of Corrections (CCDOC) jail at 26th Street and California Avenue. The following day, Lewis appeared in Holiday Court at 26th and California under the name of Murray Brown, and bond was set at $30,000. On March 30, the Cook County Sheriff’s Police transported him to the Sixth District of the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois, held at Markham. At 10:30 a.m. on that day, a judge found that Lewis was not Murray Brown and discharged Lewis. Despite this, Lewis was kept in custody at Markham until 6:15 p.m. that evening at which time he was transported back to the CCDOC jail. He was released from custody at 10:00 p.m. the same evening after processing.
This action began as a damage action by Lewis against various Chicago and Cook County officials and police officers. Plaintiff alleged that he had been falsely arrested and held. Plaintiff thereafter was granted leave to amend count 5 of his complaint, which contained his claim for damages for wrongful imprisonment without probable cause after his judicial discharge in Markham. The amended count 5 contained a request for injunctive relief, alleging that Cook County had a policy of keeping persons like Lewis in custody after a court had discharged them. Lewis sought certification of a class of persons who in the future might be held in custody and discharged by a judge of the Circuit Court of Cook County, and he asked for an injunction barring the county from continuing its alleged practice.
Defendants contested class certification, arguing that any claim Lewis had for injunctive relief was moot and that as to the putative class, there was no sufficient immediacy and reality to the allegations of future potential injury to warrant invocation of the jurisdiction of the federal courts under article III of the Constitution. See Lewis v. Tully, 96 F.R.D. 370, 372 (N.D.Ill. 1982). Defendants also argued that plaintiff and the class had failed to establish the prerequisites to class certification under Fed.R.Civ.P. 23. On November 10,1982, we granted Lewis’ motion to certify a class, although we modified the definition of the class. Id. at 372-78.
Our November 10 opinion contained a substantial discussion of the mootness and standing issues raised by the defendants. We held that since plaintiff purported to represent a class of similarly situated persons, the fact that he was no longer unlawfully in custody did not bar his claim, since under Gerstein v. Pugh, 420 U.S. 103, 110-11 n. 11, 95 S.Ct. 854, 861 n. 11, 43 L.Ed.2d
This past Term, the Supreme Court held in City of Los Angeles v. Lyons,-U.S. -, 103 S.Ct. 1660, 75 L.Ed.2d 675 (1983) that a plaintiff who had been subjected to the allegedly unconstitutional use of a “chokehold” by Los Angeles Police did not have standing to seek an injunction against future use of the chokehold. The Lyons decision prompted a motion by defendants here to dismiss the class’ injunctive relief claims. We are invited by this motion to reconsider our November 10 ruling on article III standing in light of Lyons. In addition, as will become clear in this opinion, Lyons also dictates reconsideration of our decision to certify a class.
I
The lower federal courts have, in recent years, struggled with the related doctrines of standing, mootness, and ripeness, due in no small part to seemingly conflicting signals from the Supreme Court. Compare Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490, 95 S.Ct. 2197, 45 L.Ed.2d 343 (1975) with United States v. SCRAP, 412 U.S. 669, 689, 93 S.Ct. 2405, 2416, 37 L.Ed.2d 254 (1973); Valley Forge Christian College v. Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, Inc., 454 U.S. 464, 102 S.Ct. 752, 70 L.Ed.2d 700 (1982) with Flast v. Cohen, 392 U.S. 83, 88 S.Ct. 1942, 20 L.Ed.2d 947 (1968).
The basic article III requirement for standing is that a plaintiff can invoke the jurisdiction of a federal court only where he or she has suffered some actual injury due to the putatively illegal conduct or is threatened with injury by that conduct. E.g., Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490, 499, 95 S.Ct. 2197, 2205, 45 L.Ed.2d 343 (1975). Only in those circumstances can the plaintiff demonstrate that “personal stake in the outcome” that “assure[s] that concrete adverseness which sharpens the presentation of issues” necessary for the proper resolution of constitutional questions. Baker v. Carr, 369 U.S. 186, 204, 82 S.Ct. 691, 703, 7 L.Ed.2d 663 (1962); City of Los Angeles v. Lyons,-U.S.-, 103 S.Ct. 1660, 1665, 75 L.Ed.2d 675 (1983). The injury or threat of injury on which the plaintiff relies must be “real and immediate,” not “conjectural” or “hypothetical.” Lyons, 103 S.Ct. at 1665. See also, e.g., Golden v. Zwickler, 394 U.S. 103, 109-10, 89 S.Ct. 956, 960, 22 L.Ed.2d 113 (1969); United Public Workers v. Mitchell, 330 U.S. 75, 89-91, 67 S.Ct. 556, 564-65, 91 L.Ed. 754 (1947).
One aspect of standing is what has been termed the “ripeness” doctrine. Ripeness is an issue that arises when the plaintiff challenges a statute, policy, or practice that has not yet been applied to him or her. An example of the application of this doctrine is United Public Workers v. Mitchell. In that case, government employees sought declaratory relief from allegedly unconstitutional restrictions imposed on their right to engage in political activity. However, the law they challenged had not yet been
The flip side of the ripeness doctrine is the doctrine of mootness, which looks backward to determine whether a live controversy still exists between the parties. Generally, mootness is in issue when the plaintiff complains of past conduct that has no lingering effects on him or her.. To the extent that the lawsuit seeks an award of damages for past wrongs, mootness does not pose a problem for the plaintiff. However, the core idea of the mootness doctrine is that past injury cannot serve as the basis for a claim against future wrongdoing, absent continuing harm or a prospect of future harm.
The idea behind the ripeness doctrine comes into play in the analysis of an exception the courts have carved out of the mootness doctrine for cases in which the ultimate issue is “capable of repetition, yet evading review.” Where the challenged action is too short in duration to be fully litigated prior to its cessation or expiration, and there is a reasonable expectation that the same plaintiff will be subjected to the same action again, the plaintiff has standing to challenge the allegedly illegal action, even absent a present actual controversy between the parties. For example, in Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 93 S.Ct. 705, 35 L.Ed.2d 147 (1973), the plaintiff challenged a state’s restriction on her right to obtain an abortion. By the time the case could be adjudicated, she was no longer pregnant.
The “capable of repetition” doctrine has developed as a means of accommodating cases that could never be fully litigated before becoming technically moot, due to the transitory nature of the harm caused by the challenged conduct. See Southern Pacific Terminal Co. v. Interstate Commerce Commission, 219 U.S. 498, 514-15, 31 S.Ct. 279, 283, 55 L.Ed. 310 (1911) (short term ICC orders would avoid review altogether because they would expire by their own terms before Supreme Court could hear the case). However, until Lyons the Court had never asserted that a constitutional challenge to a state statute or practice does not “evade review” due to the availability of a damage action for past harm. Presumably in Roe. v. Wade the plaintiff could have “challenged” the state restriction on abortion by filing an action for damages; had she done so that action could not have become moot due to the passage of time. See L. Tribe, American Constitutional Law 63 (1978) (noting that in one sense, “the mootness bar is merely a trap for unwary litigants who fail to seek damages in addition to equitable relief”). Thus, the Court could have held in Roe that although the plaintiffs problem was “capable of repetition,” it did not “evade review.” In Lyons, however, the Court appeared to analyze this problem in a manner more restrictive to plaintiffs. The court of appeals in Lyons had stated that Lyons had a “live and active claim” for injunctive relief, if only for the few seconds he was actually subject to the chokehold. Lyons v. City of Los Angeles, 615 F.2d 1243, 1248 (9th Cir.1980). The court held that despite the “mootness” of this short-lived claim, plaintiff could still maintain a claim for injunctive relief because such a claim was “capable of repetition, yet evading review.” Id. at 1249. The Supreme Court rejected this analysis, stating that “Lyons’ claim that he was illegally strangled remains to be litigated in his suit for damages; in no sense does that claim ‘evade’ review.” Lyons, 103 S.Ct. at 1669.
The Court’s most important analysis of Lyons did not, however, fall within the heading of mootness. Rather, the Court analyzed plaintiff’s article III standing to seek injunctive relief by looking at “whether [Lyons] was likely to suffer future injury from the use of the chokeholds by police officers.” 103 S.Ct. at 1667. The fact that he might have been illegally choked by the police once in the past, the Court stated, “does nothing to establish a real and immediate threat that he would again be stopped
II
A
Defendants argue that Lyons governs this case and that since plaintiff has not alleged and cannot show a reasonable likelihood that he will in the future be arrested, charged, incarcerated, discharged, and held after discharge, like the plaintiff in Lyons he does not have standing to maintain this action. This case differs significantly from Lyons, however, in that there is no indication in the Supreme Court’s opinion or the court of appeals’ opinions in Lyons that the case had been certified as a class action.
The Supreme Court has consistently distinguished between individual actions and class actions in applying the doctrine of mootness. Mootness, as suggested by our earlier discussion, applies in two different (albeit similar) contexts: “ ‘when the issues are no longer “live” or the parties lack a legally cognizable interest in the outcome.’ ” United States Parole Commission v. Geraghty, 445 U.S. 388, 396, 100 S.Ct. 1202, 1208, 63 L.Ed.2d 479 (1980) (quoting Powell v. McCormack, 395 U.S. 486, 496, 89 S.Ct. 1944, 1951, 23 L.Ed.2d 491 (1969)). See Murphy v. Hunt, 455 U.S. 478, 481, 102 S.Ct. 1181, 1182-83, 71 L.Ed.2d 353 (1982) (per curiam); Lewis v. Tully, 96 F.R.D. at 373. The Courf has recognized that in a case involving a practice to which any particular person is subjected for only a short period of time, if that person can maintain the action on behalf of others similarly situated the case may remain “live” as to the class and the class thus retains an interest in the outcome, even if the named plaintiff does not. Gerstein v. Pugh, 420 U.S. 103, 95 S.Ct. 854, 43 L.Ed.2d 54 (1975), on which we relied in our earlier opinion in this case, is the best example of this. Plaintiffs in Ger-stein alleged that they had been detained before trial without a judicial finding of probable cause. They filed a class action seeking declaratory and injunctive relief. By the time the class was certified by the district court, none of the named plaintiffs was still in custody awaiting trial. The Court nevertheless held that the class’ claim was not moot:
Pretrial detention is by nature temporary, and it is most unlikely that any given individual could have his constitutional claim decided on appeal before he is either released or convicted. The individual could nonetheless suffer repeated deprivations, and it is certain that other persons similarly situated will be detained under the allegedly unconstitutional procedures. The claim, in short, is one that is distinctly “capable of repetition, yet evading review.”
At the time the complaint was filed, the named [plaintiffs] were members of a class of persons detained without a judicial probable cause determination, but the record does not indicate whether any of them were still in custody awaiting trial when the District Court certified the class. Such a showing ordinarily would be required to avoid mootness under Sosna [v. Iowa, 419 U.S. 393, 95 S.Ct. 553, 42 L.Ed.2d 532 (1975)]. But this case is a suitable exception to that requirement .... It is by no means certain that any given individual, named as plaintiff, would be in pretrial custody long enough for a district judge to certify the class. Moreover, in this case the constant existence of a class of persons suffering the deprivation is certain.
Defendants argue that our reliance on Gerstein was misplaced because the issue in this case is not one of mootness but rather concerns whether plaintiff can show that there is a real and immediate threat that he will again be subjected to the allegedly unlawful detention of which he complains. In our view, though the issues of “mootness” and “standing” (defendants’ view of what Lyons concerns) typically arise at different stages of a lawsuit, or in different lawsuits, the essential inquiry is indistinguishable. As we noted earlier, one aspect of mootness is when the parties “lack a legal cognizable interest in the outcome.” Geraghty refers to this as the “personal stake” - requirement. Geraghty, 445 U.S. at 396, 100 S.Ct. at 1208. The Court in Geraghty cited, among other cases, Baker v. Carr, 369 U.S. 186, 204, 82 S.Ct. 691, 703, 7 L.Ed.2d 663 (1962), as authority for the characterization of the “legally cognizable interest” test as the “personal stake” requirement. Lyons, which primarily concerns standing, not mootness, also stated that the basic article III requirement was that the plaintiff must demonstrate a personal stake in the outcome. Lyons, 103 S.Ct. at 1665. Lyons also cited Baker v. Carr for this proposition. In Lyons, resolution of the standing question turned on whether the plaintiff had shown a real and immediate threat of future injury as a result of the chokehold. Likewise, in our discussion of standing/mootness in our earlier opinion in this case, we analyzed the applicability of what we termed the “capable of repetition” issue on the basis of whether there was a demonstrable likelihood that the class would be subjected to the practice in the future. Lewis v. Tully, 96 F.R.D. at 373-75. Our determination that such a likelihood existed was based on evidence submitted by plaintiff that at least in certain districts of the Circuit Court of Cook County, discharged prisoners were routinely kept locked up and returned to the CCDOC jail at the end of the day. See id. at 373, 375. In making this determination, we essentially found that the Lyons test, insofar as it requires a showing of a substantial likelihood of future injury as a •result of the challenged practice, was satisfied as far as the class was concerned.
However, the Lyons test plainly has not been satisfied as to Lewis, the named plaintiff. But as we have noted, Lyons was not a class action. Though Gerstein and its progeny were written in terms of “mootness,” in our view they are based on the notion that the existence of probable future harm to the class can satisfy the personal stake requirement of article III even if the named plaintiff(s) do not meet article Ill’s requirements. What remains to be determined here, therefore, is whether this case satisfies the Gerstein rule, and whether Lyons has undercut Gerstein. We now turn to those issues.
B
In Gerstein v. Pugh, as we have noted, the Court held that the case was justiciable despite the fact that the named plaintiff’s claims had expired before a class was certified. In Gerstein, however, the named plaintiff did have a “live” claim for injunctive relief at the time he filed his complaint. The first issue is whether a named plaintiff’s failure to have a live claim at the time he or she files a complaint defeats standing even where the class as a whole has a live claim. It is true that in Geraghty, the Court stated that that “capable of repetition” doctrine “has been applied where the named plaintiff does have a personal stake at the outset of the lawsuit, and where the claim may arise again .... ” Geraghty, 445 U.S. at 398, 100 S.Ct. at 1209 (emphasis supplied). However, the Court went on to note that “Article] III justiciability is ‘not a legal concept with a fixed content or susceptible of scientific verification,’ ” and is a “ ‘doctrine ... of uncertain and shifting contours.’ ” Id. at 401, 100 S.Ct. at 1211 (quoting Poe v. Ullman, 367 U.S. 497, 508, 81 S.Ct. 1752, 1758, 6 L.Ed.2d 989 (1961) (plurality opinion) and Flast v. Cohen, 392 U.S. 83, 97, 88 S.Ct. 1942, 1951, 20 L.Ed.2d 947 (1968)). It also stated that determining the contours of article III “with respect to nontraditional forms of
Geraghty held that a named plaintiff whose claim had expired could nonetheless challenge the district court's refusal to certify a class. This was based on the view that a dispute between the parties over class certification provided a “concrete, sharply presented issue” that the named plaintiff could litigate although he was unable to establish that he had a live claim on the merits. Geraghty, 445 U.S. at 403-04, 100 S.Ct. at 1212-13.
Once the class was certified, defendants’ alleged continuation of the challenged practice ensures that persons who have a “live” claim, for however short a period of time, will exist on the plaintiffs’ side of this case. In short, after class certification this case was essentially indistinguishable from Gerstein. Under Gerstein, based on defendants’ alleged continuation of the challenged practice and the certification of a class, the plaintiff class has standing under article III to litigate the constitutionality of defendants’ alleged failure to promptly release discharged inmates.
Nothing in Lyons suggests that the Court intended to overrule Gerstein and Geraghty. Indeed, since Lyons apparently did not involve a class action, one would be surprised to have the Court discuss the specialized rules applicable to such eases in the course of determining Lyons’ standing. Even under the Court’s own description of what Lyons would have had to show to establish standing, however, we think the class in this case would have succeeded before the Lyons Court. The Court stated, 103 S.Ct. at 1667, that had Lyons alleged that he would have another encounter with a police officer and that all police officers always choke every citizen whom they encounter, either of their own volition or pursuant to a policy of the city, he would have satisfied article III. In this case the class plainly meets the second half of this test, for plaintiff has alleged with supporting evidence that most or all prisoners who are discharged at certain districts are held in custody and then returned to the CCDOC jail at the end of the day.
In order to meet the first half of the Lyons test, plaintiff need only allege that
C
One might suggest that Lyons stands for the proposition that police or other governmental practices that are random and not systematic are not subject to prospective relief. Though plaintiff in Lyons alleged that Los Angeles police officers regularly applied chokeholds in situations in which the officers were not threatened, 103 S.Ct. at 1663, the Court’s discussion of the two part test for standing suggests that as far as the Court was concerned, since there was no allegation that police officers always choked everyone with whom they had encounters, any claim of future injury was speculative. The Court stated that if officers acted “within the strictures of the City’s policy,” in order to suffer injury in the future Lyons would have to “illegally resist arrest or an officer would have to disobey city policy and choke him without provocation.” Id. 103 S.Ct. at 1667.
Defendants now challenge the sufficiency of plaintiff’s showing of a systematic policy. However, the present motion was entitled a motion to dismiss (apparently under Fed.R.
D
The Court in Lyons also stated that the plaintiff there was “no more entitled to an injunction than any other citizen of Los Angeles; and a federal court may not entertain a claim by any or all citizens who no more than assert that certain practices of Jaw enforcement officers are unconstitutional.” Lyons, 103 S.Ct. at 1670. Since as we noted in our earlier opinion, see 96 F.R.D. at 377, any resident of Cook County is potentially a member of the class, defendants argue that the quoted statement from Lyons bars a claim for injunctive relief here, even if brought on behalf of a class.
The eases of Schlesinger v. Reservists to Stop the War, 418 U.S. 208, 94 S.Ct. 2925, 41 L.Ed.2d 706 (1974) and United States v. Richardson, 418 U.S. 166, 94 S.Ct. 2940, 41 L.Ed.2d 678 (1974), on which the Lyons Court relied for the above-quoted statement, were cases in which no named plaintiff or any other citizen could show anything other than “abstract” injury. Reservists, 418 U.S. at 219, 94 S.Ct. at 2931; Richardson, 418 U.S. at 177, 94 S.Ct. at 2946.
In the present case, by contrast, the injuries suffered by those who are arrested and discharged but not released are clearly concrete and are different from the abstract grievance that a bystander might have concerning the alleged constitutional violation. The fact that anyone in Cook County may at some time in the future “enter” the class of those actually experiencing harm does not make this case like Reservists and Richardson; moreover, the fact that no individual member of the class can show a significant likelihood of future harm does not, in light of Gerstein, foreclose standing under article III. In this case as in Gerstein, at any given point in time there are some individuals who are currently subject to the alleged unlawful practice and others (whose identities we do not yet know) who will be subject to it. The injury suffered or risked by those people is sufficiently differentiated from that suffered by the rest of society that Reservists and Richardson do not bar standing here.
E
Finally, defendants object that because the likelihood that Lewis will again be subjected to the challenged practice is infinitesimal, he is not a member of the class he seeks to represent. This objection impli
Defendants do not argue that a case or controversy does not exist simply because Lewis was not a member of the class at the time of class certification. That was true in Gerstein as well. It did not bar article III standing in Gerstein and does not bar it here either.
Defendants’ objection appears to be that Lewis never had a claim for injunctive relief after his release and thus was not a member of the class even when the amended count 5 was filed. However, under the “relation back” doctrine first mentioned by the Court in Sosna v. Iowa, 419 U.S. 393, 402 n. 11, 95 S.Ct. 553, 559 n. 11, 42 L.Ed.2d 532 (1975), and later applied in Gerstein and Swisher v. Brady, 438 U.S. 204, 213 n. 11, 98 S.Ct. 2699, 2705 n. 11, 57 L.Ed.2d 705 (1978), among other cases, given the transitory nature of any particular plaintiff’s claim for injunctive relief, the certification of the class here relates back to the filing of amended count 5.
Our reference to a “class” of persons subject to defendants’ conduct is, it might be argued, essentially circular. One might argue that to state that standing to challenge a practice prospectively is established by the existence of a class of persons who are or will be subject to it is to put the cart before the horse, and that article III requires us to determine that such a class exists and has standing and not simply to assume it. If one can always define and certify a class in terms of those subject to the illegal conduct, the argument goes, then the Lyons requirements, as applied to class actions, are easily circumvented. However, Fed.R.Civ.P. 23(a)(1) and (b)(2), which we previously held were satisfied here, require that defendants have acted on grounds generally applicable to the putative class and that the class be sufficiently numerous that joinder of all members is impracticable. Our finding that these rules were prima facie satisfied is tantamount to a finding that a class exists here.
As we have suggested, new persons with “live” claims for injunctive relief (see n. 14 supra) are constantly entering the category of those currently subject to defendants’ alleged practice. That membership in the class is constantly shifting does not make the case inappropriate for class action status. The allegedly static nature of defendants’ practice anchors the facts on solid ground and makes the case appropriate for judicial resolution.
We recognize that defendants now argue that the existence of a class or the likelihood of future injury is speculative in light of evidence suggesting that defendants act in a case-by-case manner with respect to dischargees. For present purposes, however, plaintiffs prima facie showing suffices to establish standing.
Ill
As far as representation of the class is concerned, since Lewis is not currently subject to the challenged practice, one might reasonably question whether he is a proper representative for a class seeking injunctive relief.
The adequacy of a proposed representative, as we noted in our earlier opinion, turns on the proposed representative’s interest in the outcome and the capability of his counsel. We think that plaintiff’s past injury as a result of the alleged practice suffices to establish that he is a proper representative. Plaintiff will be required to demonstrate the illegality of the practice in order to hold the individual county defendants liable, and in order to hold the Cook County Sheriff and the Executive Di
Once the class was certified, Lewis’ attorney no longer represented just Lewis but rather became duty bound to represent the interests of the class as a whole. As we have noted, it is frequently the case in class actions that the attorney for the class has “clients” whom he does not know. Lewis’ attorney, by seeking to represent the class, has “undertaken] a fiduciary duty to the class,” see Soskel v. Texaco, Inc., 94 F.R.D. 201, 203 (S.D.N.Y.1982). As in Franks v. Bowman Transportation Co., 424 U.S. 747, 754, 96 S.Ct. 1251, 1259, 47 L.Ed.2d 444 (1976), “[n]o questions are raised concerning the tenacity and competence of [class members’] counsel in pursuing [the claim for. injunctive] relief.... ”
IV
To summarize, this case is governed by the Supreme Court’s flexible application of the standing doctrine in class action litigátion, and not by Lyons. Here, the likelihood of future harm to the class as a result of defendants’ alleged practice is anything but abstract or speculative; rather, it is concrete and certain. Because any particular person’s claim for injunctive relief expires within a very short time after it arises, Lewis’ nonmembership in the class at the time amended count 5 was filed and thereafter defeats neither the standing of the plaintiff class nor Lewis’ representative status. Defendants’ motion to dismiss the injunctive relief claim in amended count 5 is denied.
. See United States Parole Comm’n v. Geraghty, 445 U.S. 388, 406 n. 11, 100 S.Ct. 1202, 1214 n. 11, 63 L.Ed.2d 479 (1980) (“We concede that the prior cases [on standing] may be said to be somewhat confusing, and that some, perhaps, are irreconcilable with others.”).
. Although the Poe opinion from which we quote was subscribed to by only four justices, Justice Brennan concurred, agreeing that the case was not ripe for adjudication. Poe, 367 U.S. at 509, 81 S.Ct. at 1759.
. However, the existence of past harm is relevant in showing the likelihood of future harm. See Kolender v. Lawson, - U.S. -, 103 S.Ct. 1855, 1857 n. 3, 75 L.Ed.2d 903 (1983).
. The Supreme Court’s opinion in Roe does not disclose whether the plaintiff gave birth to the child, suffered a miscarriage, or obtained an abortion.
. The Court also noted that Lyons had not made a reasonable showing that he would again be subjected to the chokehold, thus preeluding reliance on the “capable of repetition” doctrine. Id. 103 S.Ct. at 1669.
. Geraghty left open the issue whether a named plaintiff whose own claim had expired would be a proper class representative. 445 U.S. at 407, 100 S.Ct. at 1214. We will address that issue infra.
. In Gerstein, the Court based its conclusion that “the constant existence of a class of persons suffering the deprivation is certain” on the assumption that since the class was represented by a public defender, the attorney “has other clients with a continuing live interest in the case.” Gerstein, 420 U.S. at 111 n. 11, 95 S.Ct. at 861 n. 11. We do not find that aspect of Gerstein crucial to the holding. Attorneys representing classes of plaintiffs quite frequently have “clients” of. whose existence they are not directly aware. Here, plaintiffs evidence that the challenged practice was admitted to be in effect, see Lewis v. Tully, 96 F.R.D. at 373, suffices for present purposes to ensure the constant existence of a class suffering the deprivation.
. We express no view, of course, as to the ' merits of plaintiffs constitutional claim or the adequacy of his showing of the existence of the challenged practice.
. The Lyons majority relied heavily on O’Shea v. Littleton, 414 U.S. 488, 94 S.Ct. 669, 38 L.Ed.2d 674 (1974) and Rizzo v. Goode, 423 U.S. 362, 96 S.Ct. 598, 46 L.Ed.2d 561 (1976). In our earlier opinion in this case, we distinguished O’Shea because, unlike in that case, the prospect of future injury here was not “conjectural.” Lewis v. Tuliy, 96 F.R.D. at 374-75. The same distinction exists between this case and Rizzo. In neither of those cases was a systematic, practically formal policy alleged or shown to exist; the plaintiffs based their allegations of future injury purely on a showing of past harm. This case is plainly different from O’Shea and Rizzo.
We also note that, unlike in Lyons, here no given member of the plaintiff class is in a position to choose whether he or she will have an “encounter” with the Cook County judicial system such as that which Lewis had.
. Apparently the evidence adduced on the motion for preliminary injunction in Lyons indicated that the alleged policy was not as broad as plaintiff had averred. The Court noted that the above-quoted allegation was not equivalent to an assertion that the city authorized use of the chokehold absent provocation, and that even if that was the import of the allegation it was belied by the evidence on the motion for preliminary injunction. In any event, the Court stated, plaintiff did not have standing to challenge application of the chokehold in situations he had not experienced. Lyons, 103 S.Ct. at 1667 n. 7.
. Reservists involved a challenge to the membership of various members of Congress in the armed forces reserve, which was alleged to violate article I, § 6, cl. 2 of the Constitution. Richardson involved a challenge to the secrecy of government appropriations for the Central Intelligence Agency as violative of article I, § 9, cl. 7 of the Constitution. Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490, 95 S.Ct. 2197, 45 L.Ed.2d 343 (1975), also cited by the Court in Lyons, merely repeats the general proposition of law established by Reservists and Richardson. Id. at 499, 95 S.Ct. at 2205.
. The class action issue was first brought into the case by the filing of the amended count 5.
. The quote in Franks concerned only mootness. However, though we previously have conceded that the specific question here is one of standing and not mootness (since any claim Lewis ever had for injunctive relief did not “die” during this lawsuit but rather before it was filed), the inquiry under each heading is the same: whether the plaintiff, or the plaintiff class, has a sufficiently adverse interest vis-avis the defendants to make the case susceptible of judicial resolution.
. Anyone discharged but not released would have a “live” claim for injunctive relief during the time after discharge that he was still in custody. In plaintiffs case this is alleged to have been approximately 12 hours. Defendant might object that such injury is not “irreparable” and thus not a proper subject of injunctive relief, but in general, where denial of constitutional rights is involved, injury is presumed irreparable. See Schnell v. City of Chicago, 407 F.2d 1084, 1086 (7th Cir.1969); United States v. State of Michigan, 508 F.Supp. 480, 491-92 (W.D.Mich.1980); International Ass’n of Firefighters, Local 2069 v. City of Sylacauga, 436 F.Supp. 482, 492 (N.D.Ala.1977); Illinois Migrant Council v. Pilliod, 398 F.Supp. 882, 904 (N.D.Ill.1975) (Marshall, J.), aff’d, 540 F.2d 1062 (7th Cir.1976). See generally 11 C. Wright and A. Miller, Federal Practice and Procedure § 2948 at 440 (1973) (citing cases).
. In O’Shea, matters were slightly different from Harris, Warth, and Bailey. There was no specific allegation of past injury by any plaintiff at the hands of the defendants who were petitioners in the Supreme Court. O’Shea, 414 U.S. at 495, 94 S.Ct. at 676. At oral argument, plaintiffs’ counsel suggested that some plaintiffs had suffered injury as a result of the defendants-petitioners’ actions. Id. The Court stated, however, that this past exposure was insufficient to show a present case or contro
. We do not necessarily accept the argument, which defendants have not made, that Lyons bars a claim for injunctive relief on behalf of a class where the challenged practice is not uniformly or systematically applied. The parties may brief this question in the future in the context of a motion for summary judgment, if they so desire.
. Plaintiff recently filed a motion to amend count 5 so as to seek damages for the class, presumably in order to avoid standing problems. We have deferred consideration of that motion pending ruling on the present motion. We do not herein express any view as to the propriety of damage relief for those injured in the past by defendants’ alleged practice or as to whether such a class action could be maintained under Fed.RXiv.P. 23(b)(2) or any other heading of rule 23(b).
. See Sosna, 393 U.S. at 403, 95 S.Ct. at 559 (holding that plaintiff whose claim was moot was proper representative under rule 23(a)). See generally Comment, A Search for Principles of Mootness in the Federal Courts: Part Two—Class Actions, 54 Tex.L.Rev. 1289, 1331— 32 (1976); Comment, Continuation and Representation of Class Actions Following Dismissal of Class Representative, 1974 Duke L.J. 573, 602-08, both of which the Court in Geraghty cited in remanding the case for redetermination of class certification. Geraghty, 445 U.S. at 407 n. 12, 100 S.Ct. at 1214 n. 12.
We note, however, that matters would be different had Lewis never been subjected to the challenged practice. Were that the case, he would simply be an “interested bystander” lacking standing under article III. His past injury due to defendants’ conduct makes his stake in this litigation sufficiently concrete to make him a proper representative.
