Opinion of the Court by
Judge Carroll —
Affirming.
This is an action by appellant, who was plaintiff below, tó recover damages for the alienation of her husband’s affections by the appellee, defendant below, who was his mother. There was a judgment in favor of appellee upon the verdict of a jury who found in her behalf.
A reversal is asked for alleged errors of the court in admitting and rejecting evidence. The rulings chiefly complained of are, first, the exclusion of evidence offered by appellant relating to statements made *705made by tbe husband of appellant in the absence of other persons, which statements indicated that his mother was endeavoring to cause a separation between her son and his wife; and, second, the competency of statements of a similar character said to have been made by the husband of appellant in the absence of his mother to third persons, who gave evidence concerning them in behalf of appellant. In admitting the statements to third persons, the court instructed the jury in respect to them as follows: ‘ ‘ The jury is instructed that the declarations of Louis Leucht to third persons as testified to by said parties, not made in the presence of the defendant Barbara Leucht, were admitted, and are to be considered, solely for the purpose of showing the state of mind and feeling of the said Louis Leucht, if they do show such state of mind and feeling, and for the purpose of disclosing or explaining the motives influencing his action or conduct, if they do disclose or explain such motive; and they are to be considered by the jury for no other purpose. ’ ’ In our opinion the court correctly excluded the statements made to appellant by her husband, and erred to the prejudice of appellee in admitting the statements made by him to third parties, although the effect of this evidence was limited by the instruction. The statements made to appellant by her husband were incompetent, first, because they were made in the absence of his mother, and come under the head of what may be called “hearsay” evidence; second, because they are forbidden by subsection 1 of section 606 of the Civil Code of Practice, reading in part as follows: “Neither a husband nor his wife shall testify while the marriage exists or afterwards, concerning any communication between them during marriage.” The statements made by the husband to third parties *706also come under the head of “hearsay” evidence, and for this reason should have been excluded. It was attempted by the statements, not made in the presence or hearing of appellee, to fasten upon her the offense of alienating the affections of her son from his wife. She may or may not have made to her son the statements he repeated to his wife and other persons as coming from her. If she had been present when they were told to the wife or others, she would have had an opportunity to admit or deny them, and, of course, have been bound by her declarations and actions. .We know of no reason why an exception should be made in cases of this character to the general rple excluding “hearsay” evidence. It was competent for the wife to prove by the declarations and conduct of her husband and by third persons, who could testify from their knowledge or from statements made by the husband, the affectionate relations that existed between them before the estrangement; and his conduct and declarations indicating a loss or withdrawal of his affection. And also proper to introduce evidence of acts and declarations made by the defendant to or in the presence of the plaintiff or other persons manifesting a purpose upon her part to alienate the affections of the husband or bring about a separation between them. But there is a wide difference between this evidence and that excluded and introduced in this case. The injustice of permitting the plaintiff and third persons to relate statements, alleged to have been made to them by the husband in the absence of .the defendant, and that purported to have been made by the defendant to the husband, is apparent. The defendant had no opportunity to deny nor explain them, as she was not present when they were made, and could not have known anything about them, *707or whether they were, in fact, related by the husband to these parties. It seems to us that it would be a flagrant violation of the established rules of evidence to permit the plaintiff to make out a case against the ■defendant under circumstances like these. If evidence of this character was admissible, a defendant would be helpless, in fact, almost denied the right to make a defense. Here the plaintiff’s cause of action was rested upon the proposition that the defendant by her acts and declarations had alienated the affections of the plaintiff’s husband, and she undertook to make out her case by relating statements purporting to have been made by the defendant to the husband and repeated by him to her in the absence of the defendant, and by declarations of third parties who related statements purporting to have been made to them by the husband that he said were made to him by the defendant. This is as striking an example of hearsay evidence as could be imagined. . It would be difficult to conceive a case in which justice to the defendant more strongly demanded the exclusion of all this evidence. If a case could be made out upon evidence of this character, it would be an easy matter for designing or unscrupulous persons to present to a jury a state of facts that might induce them to return a verdict against the defendant. As said by G-reenleaf in his work on Evidence, section 99, in speaking of this class of evidence: “Its extrinsic weakness, its incompetency to satisfy the mind of the existence of a fact, and the frauds which may be practiced under its cover combine to support the rule that hearsay evidence is totally inadmissible.” The reason that would exclude this evidence when offered by the wife applies with equal force to the statements of third persons, who testified as to what the husband said to them. In neither case *708would the defendant deny that the husband made the statements.
The Code provision forbidding either the husband or wife from testifying as to communications between them has been often construed. Among the eases holding that evidence of the character attempted to be made by the wife in this case was incompetent, we may notice as directly in point Manhattan Life Insurance Co. v. Beard, 112 Ky. 455" court="Ky. Ct. App." date_filed="1902-01-09" href="https://app.midpage.ai/document/manhattan-life-ins-v-beard-7134916?utm_source=webapp" opinion_id="7134916">112 Ky. 455, 66 S. W. 35, where the court said: “On the trial the widow of the deceased, the beneficiary under -the policy, was permitted to testify to numerous conversations with her husband of facts learned from him and to the contents of letters written from one to the other. Under subsection 1 of section 606 of the Civil Code of Practice providing ‘neither a husband nor a wife shall testify, even after the cessation of their marriage, concerning any communication between them during marriage,’ all the foregoing testimony was incompetent.’ To the same effect is N. Y. Life Ins. Co., v. Johnson, 72 S. W. 762, 24 Ky. Law Rep. 1867; Buckel v. Smith, 82 S. W. 235, 26 Ky. Law Rep. 494.
If the testimony offered by the wife as to what her husband told her, when no one else was present, was not a “communication” between them, we are at a loss to know what would be a “communication.” It will be noticed that the Code prohibition is not against the disclosure of “confidential” communications; but, although the word “confidential” is not used, it was evidently the purpose to exclude only such communications as would naturally grow out of the marriage relation. As was said in Commonwealth v. Sapp, 90 Ky. 580" court="Ky. Ct. App." date_filed="1890-10-25" href="https://app.midpage.ai/document/commonwealth-v-sapp-7132393?utm_source=webapp" opinion_id="7132393">90 Ky. 580, 12 Ky. Law Rep. 484, 14 S.W. 834" court="Ky. Ct. App." date_filed="1890-10-25" href="https://app.midpage.ai/document/commonwealth-v-sapp-7132393?utm_source=webapp" opinion_id="7132393">14 S. W. 834, 29 Am. St. Rep. 405: “The word ‘communication’ therefore as used in our statute should be given a liberal con *709struction. It would not be confined to a mere statement by the husband to the wife or vice versa, but should be construed to embrace all knowledge, upon the part of .the one or the other obtained by reason of the marriage relation, and which but for which the confidence growing out of it would not have been known to the party.” There might be communications between the husband and wife that it would be competent for either to testify concerning, as when they were made in the presence or hearing of third parties; thus making it plain that they were not that character of communications that the law will protect and prohibit either party from disclosing. So third parties ma*' testify as to conversation overheard by them between husband and wife. Commonwealth v. Everson, 96 S.W. 460" court="Ky. Ct. App." date_filed="1906-09-25" href="https://app.midpage.ai/document/commonwealth-v-everson-7136202?utm_source=webapp" opinion_id="7136202">96 S. W. 460, 29 Ky. Law Rep. 760. Another exception to the rule is made in the Sapp case, supra, where it was held that either could testify in a prosecution against the other for an assault or attempt to do violence; and yet another exception made in cases where the husband or wife may testify to facts known to the witness from other means of information than such as result from the marriage relation or that, come to either of them independent of it. Elswick v. Commonwealth, 13 Bush 155" court="Ky. Ct. App." date_filed="1877-04-10" href="https://app.midpage.ai/document/elswick-v-commonwealth-7379457?utm_source=webapp" opinion_id="7379457">13 Bush 155; English v. Cropper, 8 Bush 292" court="Ky. Ct. App." date_filed="1871-10-19" href="https://app.midpage.ai/document/englishs-administrator-v-cropper-7130781?utm_source=webapp" opinion_id="7130781">8 Bush 292. Again, other exceptions are made in Shepherd v. Commonwealth, 119 Ky. 931" court="Ky. Ct. App." date_filed="1905-02-24" href="https://app.midpage.ai/document/shepherd-v-commonwealth-7135833?utm_source=webapp" opinion_id="7135833">119 Ky. 931, 85 S. W. 191, 24 Ky. Law Rep. 698, and Shipp v. Commonwealth, 99 S.W. 945" court="Ky. Ct. App." date_filed="1907-02-20" href="https://app.midpage.ai/document/shipp-v-commonwealth-7136369?utm_source=webapp" opinion_id="7136369">99 S. W. 945, 30 Ky. Law Rep. 904, 10 L. R. A. (N. S.) 335. But here the communication concerning which the wife offered to testify was manifestly made to her by the husband because she was his wife, and solely by virtue of the marriage relation. It does not fall within any of the exceptions mentioned, nor those specified in the Code of Practice.
*710Another error complained of is in permitting a witness to testify that he heard the plaintiff make a slighting or disrespectful remark about her husband. We think this evidence was competent. It was admissible to prove acts and declarations of the plaintiff that tended to show the state of feeling of plaintiff towards her husband, for the purpose of illustrating the extent of her affection for him, and the part she took, if any, in contributing to sever the marital relations or in causing her husband’s affections to be alienated from her.
The other errors complained of are of minor importance; and, as they did not prejudice the substantial rights of the plaintiff, we do not deem it necessary to extend this opinion in discussing them.
The judgment of the lower court is affirmed.