Jeanne B. Demars brought this suit against the Insurance Company of North America (“ICNA”), the provider of her long-term disability insurance, and ICNA’s parent corporation CIGNA Corporation (“CIGNA”), after CIGNA — upon reviewing the accuracy of information on a conversion application Demars had submitted seven years earlier — recalculated her disability benefit level and demanded that she remit alleged overpayments totaling more than $70,000. Demars brought state law claims of unfair trade practices, breach of contract, intentional infliction of emotional distress, bad faith breach of contract, and bad faith refusal to pay an insurance claim, as well as a claim for disability benefits under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (“ERISA”), 29 U.S.C. § 1001 et seq.
The sole question on appeal is whether ERISA preempts all state law claims related to an individual insurance policy obtained by an employee after termination of employment through the exercise of conversion rights granted by an employee welfare benefit plan. In other words, we consider whether ERISA regulation extends to “conversion policies.” The district court found that it does and therefore granted defendants’ motion to dismiss De-mars’s state law claims. We reverse.
I
For the purposes of a motion to dismiss, we accept as true the facts alleged in the complaint.
See Duckworth v. Pratt & Whitney, Inc.,
ICNA’s conversion application consisted of two pages. The first page, to be filled out by the applicant, asked for general information. The second page was to be completed by Demars’s employer. Since Demars had already left National Life, she considered her employer to be Demars Financial Services, Inc., a business that she and her husband ran. Accordingly, in response to a question about her earnings at the time of termination, she did not report her final National Life salary; instead, she reported the gross annual commissions she earned as an employee of Demars Financial Services.
In August 1990, ICNA notified Demars that her application had been approved, sent her a certificate of insurance for the conversion policy, and requested an initial premium payment. Demars paid the initial premium and the quarterly premiums thereafter.
In November 1993, Demars filed a claim with ICNA for long term disability benefits. Her claim was approved in April 1994, and ICNA commenced monthly payments of $1,972 ($3,000 less Social Security disability benefits) in May 1994.
In March 1997, CIGNA requested that Demars forward financial information pertaining to the years 1990 through 1996. After examining this information, CIGNA concluded that Demars had incorrectly reported her income on the conversion application, that she was actually entitled only to a $100 minimum monthly benefit; and that ICNA had therefore overpaid her by more than $70,000 between May 1994 and June 1997. CIGNA sent Demars a letter dated June 26, 1997 that explained these conclusions and informed her that CIGNA would withhold all further monthly benefit payments (now set at $100) until she had repaid the sums allegedly owed. Demars *445 has not received any benefit payments since that date.
Rather than repaying CIGNA the allegedly excessive benefits and accepting the reduction in future benefits, Demars brought suit against - CIGNA and ICNA, asserting both diversity and federal question jurisdiction. After Demars stipulated to the dismissal of her ERISA claim and the district court granted the defendants’ motion to dismiss her state law claims, judgment was entered against Demars, who now appeals.
II
We review de novo the legal question whether ERISA preemption applies to claims arising
from
a conversion policy,
1
see Degnan v. Publicker Indus., Inc.,
We note at the outset that Demars’s state law claims clearly “relate to” her conversion policy in the sense intended by § 1144(a), since in order to prevail on those claims- Demars would need to prove the existence of, or specific terms of, the conversion policy.
See Ingersoll-Rand Co. v. McClendon,
Defendants would like us to complete the analysis by asking “whether the conversion policy is sufficiently connected to[ ] (or related to) the underlying ERISA plan.” They argue that the conversion policy and the ERISA plan are clearly “connected” or “related” to each other, since Demars obtained the conversion policy by virtue of rights granted by National Life’s group disability benefits plan. We do not disagree with this point; there is obviously a type of “but for” relationship linking Demars’s conversion policy and National Life’s ERISA plan. But “infinite relations cannot be the measure of preemption.”
New York State Conference of Blue Cross & Blue Shield Plans v. Travelers Ins. Co.,
The statute defines an “employee welfare benefit plan” (the type of ERISA plan at issue here, see 29 U.S.C. § 1002(3)) as:
any plan, fund, or program -which was heretofore or is hereafter established or maintained by an employer ... for the purpose of providing for its participants or their beneficiaries,'through the purchase of insurance or otherwise, ... benefits in the event of sickness, accident, disability, death or unemployment.
29 U.S.C. § 1002(1).
This nearly tautological definition offers little guidance. The key phrase for present purposes is “established or maintained by an employer.” Demars’s conversion policy was certainly “established” in
*446
some sense by her former employer — but was it “established” in the relevant sense? Case law provides no definitive answers. “[N]o single act in itself necessarily constitutes the establishment of the plan, fund, or program,”
Donovan v. Dillingham,
In passing ERISA, Congress’s purpose was twofold: to protect employees and to protect employers.
See McMahon,
Neither concern seems to be strongly implicated here. There is little threat of abuse of funds in the ERISA sense. While there is a risk that funds accumulated to finance benefits under the conversion policy could be mismanaged or abused, there is no risk of Demars’s former employer abusing or mismanaging these funds, since it does not control them, or indeed have any tie to them. Rather, it is the insurers who issued the policy — defendants here — who are in a position to possibly abuse or mismanage the funds. Yet Congress placed into ERISA an express disavowal of any intent to regulate insurers qua insurers. See 29 U.S.C. § 1144(b)(2).
The uniformity of regulations concern is equally attenuated. While conversion policies like Demars’s undoubtedly impose an administrative burden, that burden lies on the insurers who provide the policy, not on the former employer. As
Fort Halifax
noted, “Congress intended pre-emption to afford employers the advantages of a uniform set of administrative procedures governed by a single set of regulations. This concern only arises ... with respect to benefits whose provision by nature requires an ongoing administrative program to meet the employer’s obligation.”
Fort Halifax,
Defendants argue that there is a residual uniformity interest affecting employers. They point out that if different states can regulate conversion policies, then there will be differential costs associated with the provision of conversion policies in the different states. These differential costs could drive up the costs of granting conversion rights and thus reduce the incentive of employers with employee welfare benefit plans to grant those rights. This may or may not be true, but it does not, in any event, argue for ERISA preemption of state law claims relating to conversion policies. That is because “cost uniformity was almost certainly not an object of [ERISA] pre-emption.”
Travelers,
*447 Other arguments bolster the conclusion that conversion policies are not subject to ERISA. A Department of Labor regulation interpreting the term “employee welfare benefit plan,” while not directly on point, provides a useful analogy. Section 2510.3-Kj) creates a “safe harbor” for certain “group or group-type insurance programs”: a group or group-type insurance program offered by an employer will not be considered to be an employee welfare benefit plan if the employer does not make contributions to and receives no consideration from the insurer, employee participation in the program is voluntary, and the employer’s sole functions are to permit the insurer to publicize the program to employees and to collect and remit premiums to the insurer. See 29 C.F.R. § 2510.3 — l(j) (1998). The regulation is not directly applicable to Demars’s conversion policy, since hers is not a group policy or even a “group-type” policy, and since granting a conversion right is not identical to “publicizing” an insurance program. But the logic of ERISA suggests that a conversion policy like Demars’s would be even more securely anchored in a safe harbor than the type of policy addressed by § 2510.3-Kj); since her policy does not require any ongoing employer involvement.
Moving from analogy to contrast, the “continuation coverage” mandated by the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (“COBRA”), 29 U.S.C. § 1161
et seq.,
provides an instructive counterpoint to the conversion policy considered here. COBRA amended ERISA in 1985 to require employers to permit an employee to continue group coverage for up to eighteen months after termination of employment, if the employee elects to do so and agrees to reimburse the employer for up to 102% of the average per-employee cost of that group coverage.
See
29 U.S.C. § 1162. Unlike coverage under a conversion policy, COBRA continuation coverage does place ongoing administrative burdens on the employer (since the ex-employee continues to belong to the employer’s group plan), as well as ongoing financial obligations (since COBRA coverage may in fact cost the employer more than the permitted reimbursement amount). Given employers’ ongoing administrative and financial involvement, courts have found that claims related to COBRA coverage are preempted by ERISA.
See Mimbs v. Commercial Life Ins. Co.,
Certain practical concerns — not present in the COBRA context — -also suggest that state law claims related to conversion policies should not be preempted by ERISA. Consider, for example, the effect on insurers if conversion policies were found to be ERISA plans: as ERISA plan administrators, insurers would be required to file plan descriptions and detailed annual reports with the Department of Labor, see 29 U.S.C. §§ 1023, 1024, and to provide regularly updated plan summaries to the plan beneficiaries, see 29 U.S.C. § 1022. Given the individual nature of the typical conversion policy, the insurer would presumably be required to meet these extensive requirements separately for each individual conversion policy. An even more unwarranted outcome would result if former employers, rather than insurers, were deemed to be ERISA plan administrators for conversion policies, since employers would then have to meet ERISA’s reporting and disclosure requirements for all of *448 the policies issued, perhaps by a bevy of different insurers, to an ever-growing collection of difficult-to-loeate former employees.
Finally, many other courts appear to agree with our conclusion regarding the status of conversion policies, although the compatibility of certain decisions is apparent only upon close reading. A small set of decisions clearly reach the contrary conclusion — but based, we believe, on unpersuasive reasoning.
Several district courts have adopted the careful distinction between conversion rights and conversion policies that we drew at the outset and that was first drawn in
Mimbs. Mimbs
found that state law claims involving the right to convert are preempted by ERISA, but that claims related to the conversion policy itself are not.
See Mimbs,
The Second Circuit and the Fourth Circuit have agreed with the first half of the
Mimbs
rule — that state law claims related to conversion rights are preempted by ERISA — without deciding whether ERISA regulation extends to conversion policies.
See White v. Provident Life & Accident Ins. Co.,
The Ninth Circuit has spoken less clearly on this question. One Ninth Circuit decision obviously concerned only the right to convert,
see Tingey v. Pixley-Richards West, Inc.,
Greany
is nevertheless cited for the proposition that conversion policies themselves are subject to ERISA regulation and preemption.
See, e.g., White,
Some decisions have squarely held that ERISA regulation extends to conversion policies, but we do not find their reasoning persuasive. Several courts, for example, have assumed that ERISA regulation must extend to conversion policies based on an argument similar to the “relates to” argument rejected above, while failing to consider whether conversion policies implicate any of ERISA’s underlying purposes.
See, e.g., Painter v. Golden Rule Ins. Co.,
A faulty analogy to COBRA coverage led the Sixth Circuit to decide that a certain type of conversion policy must be subject to ERISA.
See Massachusetts Casualty Ins. Co. v. Reynolds,
The Reynolds court found it critical that Reynolds did not switch from group to individual coverage and that the terms of his policy remained the same; these facts, said the court, made Reynolds’s conversion coverage akin to COBRA continuation coverage. See id. (citing Mimbs’s discussion of COBRA). But the court's conclusion fails to reflect the actual logic behind ERISA regulation of COBRA continuation coverage. COBRA coverage is not subject to ERISA regulation merely because the terms of the coverage “continue” the specific terms of the employer’s ERISA plan; rather, COBRA coverage is subject to ERISA regulation because it implicates both of ERISA’s cardinal purposes.
The Eleventh Circuit also, we believe, misread
Mimbs
when it held in
Glass v. United of Omaha Life Insurance Co.,
The conversion in the instant' case, unlike that in Mimbs, did not actually create an individual policy. It removed [the employee’s] coverage from a group policy consisting of actively employed Silk Greenhouse employees and moved the coverage to a group policy of ex-Silk Greenhouse employees.... Clearly, [the employee’s] ability to obtain the converted life insurance policy arose from the ERISA plan, and the converted policy itself continued to be integrally *450 linked with the ERISA plan. In this case, conversion ... did not defeat ERISA regulation.
Id. at 1346^47. By attempting to distinguish between group and individual conversion policies, the Glass decision misunderstands the logic of Mimbs. Both types of conversion policy fall outside the reach of ERISA, since what matters for ERISA purposes is not the nature of the conversion policy but rather the nature of the employer’s ongoing administrative and financial ties to the policy. If no such ties exist, the policy should not be subject to ERISA regulation.
Finally, we note our disagreement with another frequently cited decision holding that conversion policies are subject to ERISA. The court in
Nechero v. Provident Life & Accident Insurance Co.,
We agree that the administrative burdens noted in Nechero are real. Yet because these burdens are all tied to the conversion right, rather than the conversion policy, they do not support the conclusion that conversion policies are subject to ERISA regulation. In the end, the reasoning in Nechero supports the distinction recognized in Mimbs between conversion rights, which are subject to ERISA, and conversion policies, which are not.
Ill
We hold that Demars’s conversion policy is not an “employee welfare benefit plan” and that Demars’s state law claims relating to the conversion policy are not preempted under § 1144(a). We express no opinion, of course, as to the merits of Demars’s claims against CIGNA and ICNA.
Reversed and remanded. Costs to appellant.
Notes
. A more exact definition of this term may be helpful at this point. Consistent with the usual practice, we use the label "conversion policy” to refer only to a private (non-employer-financed) insurance policy obtained by a former employee, after termination, through the exercise of conversion rights. We do not use the term “conversion policy” to refer to the guaranteed option to convert from employer-sponsored coverage to a private insurance policy (this is a "conversion right”), nor do we use the term "conversion policy” to refer to an employer plan that contains conversion rights.
. The questions addressed by Travelers and De Buono may not appear at first blush to resem *447 ble the question addressed here, since Travelers and De Buono involved challenges to state laws and focused on the proper interpretation of the term "relates to,” while we must determine the boundaries of the term "employee benefit plan.” Unlike the litigants in those cases, the defendants here do not challenge a state law directly, but rather ask us to remove conversion policies from the reach of slate law by declaring them to be ERISA plans. Yet the essential question under § 1144(a) is identical: because Congress did not give precise definitions for either of the two key terms in ERISA’s preemption provision, the task of interpreting either term reduces to a question about ERISA’s purpose.
