A demand for immediate payment while a debtor is in bankruptcy (or after the debt’s discharge) is “false” in the sense that it asserts that money is due, although, because of the automatic stay (11 U.S.C. § 362) or the discharge injunction (11 U.S.C. § 524), it is not. A debt collector’s false statement is presumptively wrongful under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, see 15 U.S.C. § 1692e(2)(A), even if the speaker is ignorant of the truth; but a debt collector that exercises care to avoid making false statements has a defense under § 1692k(c). Two recent decisions of this circuit arising out of postbankruptcy demands for immediate payment illustrate how these provisions of the FDCPA work.
Turner v. J.V.D.B. & Associates, Inc.,
A debtor dunned after filing for bankruptcy has another potential remedy: ask the bankruptcy judge to hold the other party in contempt of either the automatic stay or the discharge injunction. This option is available against both creditors and debt collectors, but only if the violation is “willful”. See § 362(h); cf. § 524(a)(2). Willfulness entails actual knowledge that a bankruptcy is under way or has ended in a discharge. If a willful violation can be shown, both actual and punitive damages are available, while violations of the FDCPA generally lead to small penalties and never to punitive damages. In these three cases, which we have consolidated on appeal, the district courts held that remedies under the Bankruptcy Code are the
only
recourse against post-bankruptcy debt-collection efforts — that the Code trumps the FDCPA when they deal with the same subject, even when the two statutes are consistent. On this view, negligent attempts to collect from debtors during or after bankruptcy cannot yield liability. That position has the support of one circuit, see
Walls v. Wells Fargo Bank, N.A.,
These suits are similar in material respects, so we use one as an illustration. When Cheryl Alexander filed a petition under Chapter 13 of the Bankruptcy Code, she owed $1,125 to her dentist, Joseph V. Kannankeril. She listed this debt on the schedule of unsecured, nonpriority claims. Kannankeril was notified of the filing and the identity of Alexander’s lawyer. He filed a timely proof of claim, and the confirmed plan listed this debt as one to be paid in part over time. Payments under a Chapter 13 plan can last for years. About two years after Alexander’s plan was confirmed, Dr. Kannankeril died; his office hired Unlimited Progress, Inc., to collect old accounts, including Alexander’s. We must assume, given the posture of the litigation, that whoever was managing Dr. Kannankeril’s estate furnished Unlimited Progress with the bills but not with any of the documents concerning her bankruptcy. Unlimited Progress sent a dunning letter, which Alexander ignored; it followed up with another that she relayed to her attorney. He informed the debt collector about the Chapter 13 proceedings; Unlimited Progress immediately closed its file and has never again contacted Alexander. Suit under the FDCPA followed, and Alexander made two claims: first, that Unlimited Progress had falsely represented that she was required to pay Kannankeril’s bill immediately; second, that Unlimited Progress had violated the FDCPA by writing *729 directly to her, even though she was represented by counsel.
The parties consented to decision by a magistrate judge, see 28 U.S.C. § 636(c), who concluded that the Bankruptcy Code “preempts” the FDCPA when the act alleged to transgress the FDCPA also violates the Code. See
Alexander v. Unlimited Progress Corp.,
We start with the notice-to-counsel theory, because the difference between § 1692c(a)(2) and § 1692k(c) may help us understand the relation between the Bankruptcy Code and § 1692e(2)(A). Section 1692e(a) says that “a debt collector may not communicate with a consumer in connection with the collection of any debt ... (2) if the debt collector knows the consumer is represented by an attorney with respect to such debt and has knowledge of, or can readily ascertain, such attorney’s name and address”. Unlimited Progress did not know that Alexander was represented by an attorney, any more than it knew that she had a confirmed Chapter 13 plan. The district court thought this irrelevant, because the information must have been in Dr. Kannankeril’s files. Yet the statute asks what the debt collector knows, not what the creditor knows.
A distinction between creditors and debt collectors is fundamental to the FDCPA, which does not regulate creditors’ activities at all. Courts do not impute to debt collectors other information that may be in creditors’ files — for example, that debt has been paid or was bogus to start with. This is why debt collectors send out notices informing debtors of their entitlement to require verification and to contest claims. 15 U.S.C. § 1692g. Verification would be unnecessary if debt collectors were charged with the creditors’ knowledge. The due-care defense of § 1692k(e) also would be pointless if creditors’ knowledge were imputed to debt collectors. Why inquire whether the debt collector took appropriate precautions to learn something it is bound to know from the outset? Alexander does not cite, and we have not found, any appellate opinion imputing creditors’ knowledge to debt collectors. Knowledge may be imputed to agents, but debt collectors are independent contractors; an agent or employee of the creditor is not covered by the Act in the first place. See 15 U.S.C. § 1692a(6)(a). So the information in Dr. Kannankeril’s files about Alexander’s bankruptcy (and the fact that she had counsel) is not “knowledge” from *730 the perspective of Unlimited Progress unless it was furnished to that debt collector, and as Alexander does not contend that this occurred there can be no liability under § 1692c(a)(2).
Although § 1692c(a)(2), like § 362(h) of the Bankruptcy Code, makes liability depend on the actor’s knowledge, § 1692e(2)(A) creates a strict-liability rule. Debt collectors may not make false claims, period. See
Turner,
The district court wrote that § 362(h) “preempts” § 1692e(2)(A), but this cannot be right. One federal statute does not preempt another. See
Baker v. IBP, Inc.,
_Bankruptcy_FDCPA_
Who_Anyone_Debt collector only_
Scienter_Willfulness_Strict liability (§ 1692e(2)(A))
Defense None Bona fide error plus due care (§ 1692k(c)), or reliance on _FTC opinion (§ 1692k(e))
Statutory Damages None $1,000 maximum _(§ 1692k(a)(2)(A))_
Compensatory Damages_Yes_Yes (§ 1692k(a)(l))_
Punitive Damages_Yes_No_
Cap on Class Recovery_No_Yes (§ 1692k(a)(2)(B)(ii))
*731 Maximum recovery No Yes, $500,000 or 1% of net worth, whichever is less _(§ 1692k(a)(2)(B)(ii))_
Attorneys’ fees to debtor_No_Yes (§ 1692k(a)(3))_
Attorneys’ fees to creditor_No_Yes (§ 1692k(a)(3))_
Statute of limitations None (laches One year (§ 1692k(d)) defense only)
The regime under § 362 tracks that for other proceedings in the nature of contempt of court. The regime under the FDCPA sets a lower standard of liability and provides lower damages. It also deals specifically, as § 362 does not, with matters such as class actions, maximum recovery, attorneys’ fees, and the period of limitations. It is not sound to call § 362 of the Code “comprehensive”; the FDCPA comes closer to that mark. It would be better to recognize that the statutes overlap, each with coverage that the other lacks — the Code covers all persons, not just debt collectors, and all activities in bankruptcy; the FDCPA covers all activities by debt collectors, not just those affecting debtors in bankruptcy. Overlapping statutes do not repeal one another by implication; as long as people can comply with both, then courts can enforce both.
Kokoszka,
the only decision of the Supreme Court relied on by either the ninth circuit or the district court in our three cases, is not pertinent. After holding that a refund of income taxes is property of the bankruptcy estate,
Whether overlapping and not entirely congruent remedial systems can coexist is a question with a long history at the Supreme Court, and an established answer: yes. See, e.g.,
Humana Inc. v. Forsyth,
In recent decades questions about the compatibility of overlapping systems have come up most frequently in civil-rights cases, because the provisions enacted in 1866 and 1871, and now codified at 42 U.S.C. §§ 1981 to 1985, differ in details both large and small from more recent statutes, such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964. For example, most claims under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 must be presented first to the EEOC, with litigation only when the agency certifies that conciliation has failed, while claims under § 1981 or § 1983 may be commenced in court without administrative exhaustion. The period of limitations for filing a charge under the 1964 Act is 90 to 300 days, shorter than the time (usually derived from state law via 42 U.S.C. § 1988) for litigation under § 1981 or § 1983. See
Wilson v. Garcia,
The Bankruptcy Code of 1986 does not work an implied repeal of the FDCPA, any more than the latter Act implicitly repeals itself. Consider again Alexander’s two claims: the first, under § 1692c(a), depended on the debt collector’s “knowledge” of the bankruptcy; the second, under § 1692e(2)(A), invoked a strict-liability rule with a potential due-care defense. We have been able to address both of these independently, without saying that it would undercut the scienter requirement § 1692c(a) to permit no-fault liability under § 1692e(2)(A). They are simply different rules, with different requirements of proof and different remedies. Just so with § 1692e(2)(A) and § 362(h) of the Bankruptcy Code. To say that only the Code applies is to eliminate all control of negligent falsehoods. Permitting remedies for negligent falsehoods would not contradict any portion of the Bankruptcy Code, which therefore cannot be deemed to have re *733 pealed or curtailed § 1692e(2)(A) by implication. To the extent that Walls holds otherwise, we do not follow it; instead we reaffirm the approach of Turner and Hy-man.
Because the district court dismissed the complaints on the pleadings, it is premature to broach the question whether any of the debt collectors could establish a defense under § 1692k(c). To the extent that plaintiffs seek relief under § 1692f, which prohibits “unconscionable” collection tactics, there is no incompatibility with the Code (everything we have said about § 1692e(2)(A) applies equally to § 1692f) but also no serious claim: all three debt collectors desisted immediately on learning about the bankruptcy proceedings. All claims under § 1692f are knocked out by the statutory language and our holding in
Turner,
