Alva Jandreau (“Jandreau”) appeals the judgment of the United States Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims (“Veterans’ Court”). That court affirmed an earlier decision of the Board of Veterans’ Appeals (“Board”) that denied service connection for residuals of a right-shoulder dislocation. We reject appellant’s argument that the evidentiary standard should be relaxed, but hold that the .Veterans’ Court improperly held that lay evidence cannot be used to establish a medical diagnosis. We remand for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
BACKGROUND
Jandreau served honorably in the U.S. Army from May 1957 to May 1959. In May 1997, Jandreau filed a claim with the Veterans Administration (“VA”) for residuals of a right shoulder injury. He asserted that the injury to his shoulder had occurred during basic training at Fort Dix, when he had dislocated his shoulder and had been treated for his injury on the base. The VA attempted to obtain Jan-dreau’s service medical records, but was unable to do so because those records had been destroyed in a 1973 fire at the Na *1374 tional Personnel Records Center in St. Louis.
In an effort to provide the necessary evidence as support for his claim of service connection despite the destruction of the records, Jandreau submitted a number of documents to the VA. He submitted a statement from a fellow serviceman, Frederick Burnham, averring: “I remember Alva [Jandreau] being in great pain after dislocating his shoulder while in training.” 1 J.A. at 35. Jandreau also submitted multiple medical reports, detailing medical examinations conducted in 2000. Those reports stated that Jandreau suffered pain, arthritis and rotator cuff impingement in his right shoulder. In particular, one report by Dr. Timothy Snell, M.D., assesses Jandreau’s condition as “[r]ight shoulder pain, most likely sequelae of his dislocation of the shoulder.” Id. at 7. Jandreau also submitted a radiology report indicating a history of right-shoulder dislocation and pain and documents indicating treatment for that condition.
The VA denied service connection because “no medical evidence was received showing continuity of treatment for the right shoulder since discharge from military service.” J.A. at 78. Jandreau appealed to the Board, which issued its decision on May 27, 2004. The Board denied service connection for Jandreau’s injury, reasoning that Dr. Snell’s report merely recorded Jandreau’s assertion that he had suffered a dislocation but did not diagnose a dislocation when it occurred. The Board stated that “the Board is not required to accept evidence that is simply information recorded by a medical examiner, unen-hanced by medical opinion.” J.A. at 13. It further concluded that “[m]edical diagnosis and causation involve questions that are beyond the range of common experience and common knowledge, and require the special knowledge and experience of a trained physician.” Id. The Board rejected the testimony of both Jandreau and his fellow serviceman, because “[w]hile the veteran and his buddy are arguably competent to present evidence concerning the occurrence of an injury, they are not competent to present evidence to establish the etiology of a current disability.” Id. The Board thus found that “there is no competent evidence on file linking the veteran’s current right shoulder disabilities to service or to any incident therein.” Id.
Jandreau appealed to the Veterans’ Court, which affirmed the Board’s decision. The court concluded that the Board did not err in rejecting lay evidence that Jandreau suffered a dislocation during service and “did not err in discounting Dr. Snell’s medical opinion because it was premised on a fact that Mr. Jandreau was not competent to establish — that he had dislocated his shoulder during service.”
Jandreau v. Nicholson,
No. 04-1254,
Jandreau timely appealed the decision of the Veterans’ Court to this court. We have jurisdiction pursuant to 38 U.S.C. § 7292(a).
Cromer v. Nicholson,
DISCUSSION
I
On appeal Jandreau first argues that the destruction of records while in the government’s custody should result in a relaxed evidentiary standard for veterans. We rer ject this argument.
The statute provides that “a claimant has the responsibility to present and support a claim for [VA] benefits.” 38 U.S.C. § 5107(a). In our decision in
Cromer,
Jandreau , on appeal does not deny that our decision in
Cromer
is controlling on the issue of burden shifting, but asserts that his claim is different because he asserts only that his burden of proof should be “somewhat relaxed.” Reply Br. at 1. To the extent Jandreau seeks a modification of his burden of proof, we see no material difference between his argument and the argument we rejected in
Cromer.
To the extent that Jandreau seeks to invoke traditional evidentiary adverse inference rules, we find those rules to be inapplicable, even if we were to agree that they apply in the context of VA proceedings. The general rules of evidence law create an adverse inference when evidence has been destroyed and “(1) ..'. the party having control over the evidence had an obligation to preserve it at the time it was destroyed; (2) ... the records were destroyed with a culpable state of mind; and (3) ... the destroyed evidence was relevant to the party’s claim or defense such that a reasonable trier of fact could find that it would support that claim or defense.”
Residential Funding Corp. v. DeGeorge Fin. Corp.,
II
Jandreau’s second argument on appeal is that the Veterans’ Court erred in holding that that lay evidence is insufficient “where the determinative issue involves either medical etiology or a medical diagnosis,” and that accordingly, “whether [Jandreau] experienced a dislocation of his shoulder requires a medical diagnosis.”
Jandreau,
No. 04-1254, slip op. at *3. We agree. The holding of the Veterans’ Court is inconsistent with our decision in
Buchanan v. Nicholson,
Buchanan
involved a situation where the veteran claimed service connection resulting from schizophrenia that allegedly began during his service. The veteran sought to establish service connection by submitting affidavits of relatives and his commanding officer testifying that his symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia first manifested themselves during service, as well as a medical opinion from 2001, almost twenty years after the conclusion of his service, that stated that his symptoms first appeared during service.
Id.
at 1333. The Board determined that lay evidence without confirmatory documentary evidence cannot be credible, and the Veterans’ Court affirmed.
Id.
at 1337. We reversed, holding that numerous veterans’ statutes and regulations require consideration of lay evidence.
Id.
at 1334-35;
see also
38 U.S.C. §§ 1154(a), 5107(b); 38 C.F.R. §§ 3.303(a), 3.307(b). In other words we found that the statute makes clear that, in the veterans’ context, traditional requirements for admissibility have been relaxed.
See
38 U.S.C. § 5107(b) (“The Secretary shall consider all ... lay and medical evidence of record in a case ... with respect to benefits.”). We concluded that “lay evidence is one type of evidence that must be considered” and that “competent lay evidence can be sufficient in and of itself.”
Buchanan,
Under Buchanan the conclusion of the Veterans’ Court that “competent *1377 medical evidence is required ... [when] the determinative issue involves either medical etiology or a medical diagnosis” is too broad. Jandreau, No. 04-1254, slip op. at *3. Lay evidence can be competent and sufficient to establish a diagnosis of a condition when (1) a layperson is competent to identify the medical condition, 4 (2) the layperson is reporting a contemporaneous medical diagnosis, or (3) lay testimony describing symptoms at the time supports a later diagnosis by a medical professional. Contrary to the Veterans’ Court, the relevance of lay evidence is not limited to the third situation, but extends to the first two as well. Whether lay evidence is competent and sufficient in a particular case is a fact issue to be addressed by the Board rather than a legal issue to be addressed by the Veterans’ Court. We do not reach the question whether in the present case the lay evidence is competent and sufficient to establish shoulder dislocation, a matter beyond our jurisdiction. We remand to the Veterans’ Court so that it may remand to the Board for further consideration under the correct legal standard.
CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, the decision below is
REVERSED AND REMANDED
COSTS
No costs.
Notes
. The VA specifically allows veterans to introduce into evidence statements of fellow service members when records were destroyed in the 1973 fire. See Veterans Benefits Administration Adjudication Procedures Manual M21-1MR, part III, subpart iii, ch. 2, § E.27.b (2005), available at http://www. waxms.vba.va.gov/admin2 l/m2 l_l/mr/part3/ subptiii/ch02/ch02_sece.doc, page 2-E-5.
. See Veterans Benefits Administration Adjudication Procedures Manual M21-1 MR, párt III, subpart iii, ch. 2, § E.27.b (2005), available at http://www.warms.vba.va.gov/admin 2 l/m21_l/mr/part3/subptiii/ch02/ch02_sece. doc, page 2-E-5 (listing alternate documents, such as statements from service medical personnel, statements of fellow service members, letters, photographs or- prescription records, state or local accident and police reports, that the veteran can provide to substitute for documents destroyed in the 1973 fire).
.
See Residential Funding,
. Sometimes the layperson will be competent to identify the condition where the condition is simple, for example a broken leg, and sometimes not, for example, a form of cancer.
