Opinion for the Court filed by Circuit Judge TATEL.
Thе question in this bankruptcy case is whether non-diseharged debtors with an insolvent estate have standing to challenge the trustee’s application for administrative expenses. Because reducing the administrative expense award will directly reduce the debtors’ liability on their non-discharged debts, we hold that the debtors have a sufficient interest to warrant standing.
I.
James and Marlene McGuirl held assets of between eight and ten million dollars consisting primai'ily of real estate, a restaurant, and several beauty salons. Their liabilities included loans secured by mortgages on their real estate assets and unsеcured loans with several financial institutions. Three of the McGuirls’ unsecured institutional creditors filed involuntary petitions for liquidation of the estate pursuant to Chapter 7 of the Bankruptcy Code. 11 U.S.C. §§ 701-766 (1994). William White was appointed trustee with responsibility for administering the bankruptcy estate and liquidating assets to pаy creditors’ claims.
The bankruptcy code allows the bankruptcy court, after giving notice to the United States Trustee, to award “reasonable compensation for actual, necessary services rendered by the trustee” and by attorneys and other professionals employed by the trustee. See § 330(a)(1)(A). Pursuant to these provisions, White filed an application with the court for payment of about $200,000 for interim fees for legal and accounting services. The McGuirls objected, claiming the fees were excessive.
Citing the holding of
Willemain v. Kivitz,
II.
Whether the McGuirls have standing to object to the fee application involves questions of both law and fact. We review the bankruptcy court’s legal conclusions
de novo, ALCOM America Corp. v. Arab Banking Corp.,
The bankruptcy code is silent on who has standing to challenge a trustee’s fee application. Accordingly, in denying the McGuirls’ standing, both the bankruptcy court and the district court relied on
Willemain v. Kivitz,
where the Fourth Circuit held that a Chaptеr 7 debtor lacked standing to challenge the commercial reasonableness of the proposed sale of his primary asset by the trustee.
[A party’s] interest must be a pecuniary interest in the estate to be distributed. Thus, since the bankrupt is normally insolvent, he is considered to have no interest in how his assets are distributed among his creditors and is held not to be a party in interest. However, when it appears thаt, if the contested claims are disallowed, there may be a surplus of assets to be returned to the bankrupt, the bankrupt is considered to have standing to contest the claims.
Id.
at 706-07 (citations omitted). Relying on
Kapp
and other “party in interest” cases,
Willemain
rejected the shareholder’s standing because the debtor had failed to demonstrate that an alternative sale of the property would make his estate solvent. Bankruptcy courts have applied Willemain’s “approach to standing, which [effectively] extends the applicability of section 502(a) ‘party in interest’ analysis outside the section 502(a) setting” to other contexts.
In re F.A. Dellastatious, Inc.,
Willemain’s holding that only solvent debtors have standing in the bankruptcy court parallels a similar rule that limits standing to appeal bankruptcy court orders to a “person aggrieved.” Like the “party in interest” requirement, the “рerson aggrieved” standard derives from a former provision of the bankruptcy code.
See
11 U.S.C. § 67(c) (1976) (repealed 1978). Persons aggrieved are those “whose rights or interests are ‘directly and adversely affected pecuniar-ily’ by the order or decree of the bankruptcy court.”
In re El San Juan Hotel,
Willemain thus simply applied well-established principles of bankruptcy standing, and the McGuirls do not quarrel with its central holding. Nor do the McGuirls deny that they are hopelessly insolvent: even if the bankruptcy court accepts their challenges and reduces the administrative fees, they will not have a surplus in their estate. They argue instead that they have standing because the court denied discharge of their debt. Their argument rests on two features of bankruptcy law. First, unlike typical cases in which debts are discharged, when debts are not discharged in bankruptcy, creditоrs can seek to collect from debtors personally after termination of bankruptcy proceedings, see 11 U.S.C. §§ 524, 727 (1994). Second, administrative expenses receive first priority, paid even before claims of creditors. §§ 507(a)(1), 726(a)(1). Accordingly, because the McGuirls’ debt has not been discharged, any portion of the estate not used to pay administrative expenses could be used by the McGuirls to pay a creditor who attempts to recover from them personally at the close of bankruptcy. This means that if the McGuirls are successful in their effort to reduce the administrative expenses they will have reduced them liability on their non-diseharged debts. According to the McGuirls, this gives them a sufficient interest in the estate to warrant standing.
The trustee disagrees, arguing that despite the non-dischargeability of the McGuirls’ debt, their interest in reducing the administrative expense award is too remote to confer standing. The trustee relies on
SEC v. Securities Northwest, Inc.,
We do not agree that the McGuirls’ pecuniary interest in challenging the fee application is remote. Because all of the McGuirls’ debts are non-dischargeable, any reduction in administrative expenses will necessarily reduce the amount of non-dischargeable claims that remain unpaid and for which the McGuirls would be liable post-bankruptcy. Although the reduction might not be great, the relationship between reducing the award and the McGuirls’ ultimate personal liability post-bankruptcy is direct. For example, if as a result of the McGuirls’ challenge, the bankruptcy court reduces the award by between $50,000 and $100,000 — the amount by which the McGuirls claim the fee is excessive— their post-bankruptcy liability would decrease by an equivalent аmount.
In similar situations involving non-dis-chargeable debts, courts have recognized debtor standing to challenge bankruptcy court orders. In
Abel v. Campbell,
In this case, the bankruptcy court distinguished Abel and Menick on the ground that the debtors in those cases sоught standing to challenge claims for which they would be personally liable if not paid in bankruptcy. The McGuirls, in contrast, challenge the payment of administrative expenses that are settled in bankruptcy and that do not follow them after termination of the bankruptcy proceeding. Although we agree that Abel and Menick involve somewhat different facts, we do not think they define the outer limit of standing. As in Abel and Menick, because the McGuirls’ debt is non-dischargeable, they have a direct interest in paying off as much of their debt as possible during the bankruptcy proceeding. While the McGuirls do not remain personally hable for administrative еxpenses, an excessive award will reduce funds otherwise available to pay creditors to whom the McGuirls will remain directly liable. We see nothing either remote or indirect in such an interest.
We do not agree with the bankruptcy court that the McGuirls are attempting to assert rights belonging to creditоrs and the estate, none of whom exercised their right to object to the administrative expenses in this case.
See In re McGuirl,
at 3 (citing
Warth v. Seldin,
Finally, we are not concerned that allowing non-discharged debtors like the McGuirls to challenge fee applications will unduly disrupt bankruptcy proceedings.
See El San Juan,
We reverse the district court’s ruling and remand the case to the district court with instructions to remand to the bankruptcy court to hear the McGuirls’ challenges.
So ordered.
