In re Williams
{¶ 1} This appeal requires us to determine when a juvenile court must appoint counsel for a child who is the subject of a proceeding to terminate parental rights. For the reasons that follow, we affirm the judgment of the Geauga County Court of Appeals on the certified issue.
I
Facts and Procedural History
{¶ 2} In June 2000, in response to a complaint filed by appellant, Geauga Cоunty Job and Family Services,
{¶ 3} The juvenile court returned Malcolm to appellee’s custody in September 2000, under appellant’s protectivе supervision. That same month, the juvenile court found Shaquille to be a neglected and dependent child and ordered appellant to continue protective supervision over Shaquille. In October 2001, the juvenile court determined, for a second time as to Malcolm and for the first time
{¶ 4} Appellant moved for permanent custody of both Malcolm and Shaquille in March 2002. The juvenile court held a four-day hearing, and on June 5, 2002, the court granted the motion for permanent custody as to both children and terminated the parental rights of appellee and Larry Williams.
{¶ 5} The court of appeals vacated the trial court’s order granting permanent custody to appellant and remanded the cause for further proceedings. In re Williams, 11th Dist. Nos. 2002-G-2454 and 2002-G-2459,
{¶ 6} In light of the above facts, the court of appeals found that the juvenile court had erred in failing to consider whether Malcolm was entitled to counsel to represent his interests. Id. at ¶ 27. The court held, “[W]hen a child consistently expresses a desire to be with a parent, then a juvenile court should investigate, giving due regard to the child’s maturity and understanding of the proceedings, and make a ruling about whether an attorney should be appointed to represent the child’s interest and expressed wishes.” Id. at ¶ 26. This court declined discretionary review of that decision.
{¶ 7} The juvenile court, on remand, appointed an attorney to represent Mаlcolm and Shaquille but only for the limited purpose of “fil[ing] a response to the motion for permanent custody stating the position of the child[ren] with respect to permanent custody.” Based in part on the attorney’s filings, which were little more than a statement indicating Malcolm’s desire to live with his mother and Malcolm’s reasons and a statement by the attоrney that due to Shaquille’s age, the attorney was unable to determine Shaquille’s wishes, the court, without first holding a hearing, ruled that there was no need to appoint counsel to fully represent Malcolm’s or Shaquille’s interests. The court reinstated its prior decision that both children should be placed in the permanent custody of appellant.
{¶ 9} The court of appeals found that its holding regarding the appointment of counsel for the children was in conflict with the decision of the Second District Court of Appeals in In re Alfrey, Clark App. No. 01CA0083,
{¶ 10} ‘Whether children who are the subject of a motion to terminate parental rights are ‘parties’ to that proceeding for the purposes of
II
Resolution of the Certified Issue
{¶ 11} The court of appeals remanded this cause to the juvenile court on two separate grounds — the first involving the appointment of counsel for the children and the second concerning whether adequate proof supported the juvenile court’s determination that the requirements for granting permanent custody to appellant were met. The court of appeals’ holding that the trial court must hold a new permanent-custody hearing based on the second ground for reversal is not within the scope of our review. Therefore, regardless of how we resolve the certified issue, a new permanent-custody hearing must be held. This appeal focuses only on the certified issuе concerning the appointment of counsel for children who are the subject of proceedings to terminate parental rights.
{¶ 12} The approach taken by the court of appeals in this case followed the approach taken by most Ohio courts of appeals that have encountered similar situations regarding the aрpointment of counsel for juveniles in permanent-custody proceedings. As to the specific certified issue, the parties have cited only the Second District Court of Appeals’ decision in Alfrey,
{¶ 13} Our inquiry centers around
{¶ 14} Furthermore,
{¶ 15} This court, in State ex rel. Asberry v. Payne (1998),
{¶ 16} This court, in Asberry,
{¶ 17} The court of appeals in this case, along with most courts of appeals that have considered the issue, determined that a juvenile has a right to counsel in a proceeding to terminate parental rights, based on the juvenile’s status as a party to the proceeding. See In re Janie M. (1999),
{¶ 18} The court of appeals held that a guardian ad litem can, in sоme situations, serve a dual role as both the guardian ad litem and the juvenile’s attorney, see
{¶ 19} In In re Alfrey, on the other hand, the Second District Court of Appeals found that a child whose fate is being determined at a permanent-custody proceeding is not a party to that proceeding for purposes of
{¶ 20} In its decision, the Alfrey court did not cite
{¶ 21} In addition, other Juvenile Rules besides
{¶ 22} The Alfrey court, in concluding that children are not parties for purposes of
{¶ 23} The Alfrey court drew a distinction between the application of
{¶ 24} As further support for its position, the Alfrey court found that parents can adequately represent their child’s interests when those interests are aligned with those of the parents and, in that situation, appointment of independent counsel for the child is not necessary. Id. at ¶ 21. Appellant urges us to accept this view and points to the following language from
{¶ 25} In addition, we recognize that there is a dichotomy in finding, as many courts of appeals have, that when the interests of parent and child are aligned a parent has standing to raise the child’s deprivation of counsel as an issue on appeal and at the same time finding that the рarent’s attorney is unable to
{¶ 26} The Alfrey court expressed what it called a “practical concern” about the burden that had been imposed on juvenile courts in those appellate distriсts that had held that a child in a termination-of-parental-rights proceeding is a party to the proceeding and entitled to counsel. Id. at ¶ 29-30. The court questioned the benefit of such a holding, particularly when many children may be involved in a single case, and questioned whether having more attorneys involved would bring anything additional to the proceedings, when the parents’ attorney already represents the interests of the parents, which are congruent with the interests of the child. Id.
{¶ 27} In a somewhat related argument, appellant implies that the procedures set forth in R.C. Chapter 2151, especially
{¶ 28}
{¶ 29} For all of the fоregoing reasons, we hold that pursuant to
Judgment affirmed.
Notes
. At that time, appellant was known as the Geauga County Department of Human Services, and the complaint was filed under that name.
. Appellee and Larry Williams had separated in March 2000 and did not live together after that time. They obtained a dissolution of their marriage prior to the juvenile court’s hearing.