OPINION
Elizabeth Dovydenas (the “Claimant”) asserts a $6.5 million claim against The Bible Speaks, the Debtor in this Chapter 11 proceeding. She alleges that the contributions she made to the Debtor in this amount were made without donative intent and were induced by undue influence and fraud. The Debtor has objected to her *644 claim, and a trial on the objection has been scheduled. The matter now before the Court is the Debtor’s request for a determination, prior to trial, of questions pertaining to the free exercise of religion clause of the First Amendment, which the Debtor contends lie at the core of this controversy.
The Debtor moves that the Claimant be prohibited from obtaining discovery of information concerning religious beliefs, religious doctrines or religious subjects of any kind, and particularly concerning communications on these matters between the Claimant and representatives of the Debt- or. 1 Beyond this, the Debtor requests that discovery not be permitted concerning communications among the Debtor’s present or former pastors, employees and parishioners unless the communications relate to the Claimant, her husband or her family, and unless the subject matter thereof was secular rather than religious. For the reasons set forth below, the motion is denied.
The Debtor is a Christian fundamentalist Church. It has local parishioners and supports foreign missions. The Debtor also operates two schools, one for children in kindergarten through the twelfth grade, and one for adults, known as The Stevens School of the Bible. The Debtor is a religious organization entitled to the protection intended for such organizations under the First Amendment, and the Claimant does not contend otherwise.
2
We must, in any event, take an expansive view of what beliefs and practices are entitled to protection under the free exercise clause.
See United States v. Ballard,
The Debtor is afforded no protection by those decisions
3
holding that the First Amendment prohibits the entangle
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ment of courts in doctrinal or administrative disputes among members or branches of a church. Even if the Claimant had remained a parishioner of the Debtor, these decisions would be inapposite. There is no question here concerning different interpretations of doctrine,
see Presbyterian Church in the United States v. Mary Elizabeth Blue Hull Memorial Presbyterian Church,
The Debtor contends that the First Amendment prohibits the proposed interrogation and other similar discovery requests even if the principles governing internecine church disputes do not apply. Its position is that the questions it objects to should be barred on free exercise grounds because they seek responses which consist of an expression of religious belief in the context of a claim which is largely based upon the mere expression of such beliefs. The Debt- or concedes that the conduct of its representatives may be inquired into, but maintains that speech concerning religious matters is inviolate. It cites
Cantwell v. Connecticut,
The Claimant makes a number of responses. First, she asserts that
Ballard
has no application here because this claim is not based upon the falsity of religious statements. Rather, to the extent that religious statements may form any basis for her cause of action, such statements, says the Claimant, are relevant only because of the fact that they were made, not because of their truth or falsity. The Claimant also argues that insincere religious statements are actionable, pointing out that
Ballard
left that question open and citing decisions such as
Wisconsin v. Yoder,
The Debtor’s rejoinder to all of this seems to be based primarily upon what the Supreme Court left open in
Ballard.
The Debtor quotes from the dissent of Justice Jackson, who would have decided the sincerity issue. Justice Jackson believed that putting the sincerity of religious beliefs in issue was as objectionable as questioning their truth.
Ballard,
We have related these opposing First Amendment arguments at some length because both parties have devoted their briefs to them. These substantive questions are not, however, properly before the Court at this juncture. We are not now concerned with either the merits of the claim or with the admissibility of evidence which the Claimant might present. The Debtor’s motion is made pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 7026, which is derived from Rule 26 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. BANKR. R. 7026 permits discovery of any unprivileged matter “which is relevant to the subject matter involved in the pending action.” The rule provides that inadmissibility at trial is not ground for objection if the information “appears reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence.”
Rule 26 can be boiled down to two basic issues: (1) is the matter privileged?; and (2) if not privileged, is the matter relevant to the subject matter of the pending action? The Debtor appears to assert that there is a First Amendment privilege which can be claimed at the discovery phase of litigation if the information sought to be discovered involves any religious belief, practice, or concern. It relies on the First Circuit opinion in
Surinach v. Pesquesa de Busquets,
The Claimant responds that no First Amendment privilege applies here because the state is not a party to this litigation, and therefore discovery here cannot be viewed as the opening wedge in state regulation of religious activities. She cites Am
bassador College v. Geotzke,
Privilege, as contemplated by Rule 26, corresponds to the concept of privilege in the evidentiary rules.
United States v. Reynolds,
The Debtor here has failed to carry that burden. Its reliance on
Surinach
is misplaced because, as the Claimant points out, this is civil litigation between private parties. There is no danger here that the government will unconstitutionally entangle itself in church affairs by seeking to monitor or regulate religious activity.
See Ambassador College v. Geotzke,
A few courts have held that other freedoms under the First Amendment can create a privilege in discovery even in the context of a private suit without government involvement. In
Adolph Coors Co. v. Wallace,
The requests in these cases ignited apprehensions that revelation of the requested information might infringe upon the First Amendment freedoms involved. In Adolph Coors Co. and Grinnell Corp., the courts believed that if the information was not kept private, other groups and individuals might use it to persecute members or contributors, thereby discouraging their in *648 clination to associate with the group. In Bruno & Stillman, the First Circuit was concerned that potential news sources for reporters might be fearful of providing reporters with important information if their names were likely to be revealed, thereby resulting in an inhibition of freedom of the press to obtain information and freely disseminate news.
In this case, however, revelation to the Claimant of the Debtor’s beliefs, or revelation by the Debtor of any information with religious overtones, will not inhibit or “chill” its members’ freedom to exercise their religion. The Debtor characterizes itself as an evangelical church. It regularly informs others of its members’ religious beliefs through sermons open to the public, as well as through television and radio programs. It seeks to keep its religious beliefs private only for the purposes of this litigation. The Debtor cannot, however, use the First Amendment as a preemptive strike. It must first establish that its need for protection outweighs the Claimant’s need for information. It has not shown the Court how its First Amendment rights would be diminished by revelation. The discovery in this case does not involve the real danger to First Amendment religious freedom — excessive government entanglement in religious affairs or in the evaluation of religious beliefs.
See Ambassador College v. Geotzke,
The questions to which the Debtor objects are clearly relevant to the subject matter of this claim. They seek to elicit the content of discussion between the Claimant and representatives of the Debt- or: The claims here of fraud and undue influence are apparently largely, if not entirely, based upon such discussions. Moreover, relevance is liberally construed for discovery purposes. Its scope is broader than that of the evidentiary principle of relevance, which generally confines evidence to that which tends to support or negate a cause of action.
Spell v. McDonald,
Here it is important for the Claimant to have the entire content of these conversations, even including portions which arguably do not (or legally cannot) show fraud or undue influence, in order to assess the significance of an entire conversations or any portion thereof. If relevant to the subject matter, information which is useful in preparation for trial may be discovered.
Smith v. Schlesinger,
The Debtor also objects to several of the Claimant’s possible inquiries on the ground that they are designed to discover information which the Claimant already has. Even if parties seeking discovery already have the information sought, they are entitled to their opponent’s version in order to know what will be contested at trial. See MOORE, supra, II 26.59. Nor do we see merit to the Debtor’s objection to discovery of conversations about religion among church members, so long as such conversations are relevant to the subject matter.
The Court is cognizant, however, of its obligations under Rule 26(b)(1) and 26(c) to protect parties and others from annoyance, embarrassment, oppression, or undue burden or expense. The questions objected to by the Debtor have not yet been asked in this litigation, and thus our ruling today is somewhat in the abstract. We caution both the Claimant and the Debtor not to read this opinion too broadly. We remain ready to issue protective orders and to impose sanctions if discovery, or objection to discovery, is used to harass, annoy, embarrass, or run up expenses. Discovery should be employed to uncover relevant information and to refine issues for trial. By a previous pretrial order, the Court has limited the time for discovery with these objectives in mind, and the Court intends to keep the parties to the schedule set forth in that pretrial order.
The motion is accordingly DENIED.
SO ORDERED.
Notes
.The Debtor seeks to prohibit the following questions (and similar questions) which were asked in prior litigation between the parties:
(a) Did you not have discussions with Mrs. Do-vydenas on a number of occassions in 1984 and 1985 with respect to her duty to give money to the Church?
(b) You didn't tell Mrs. Dovydenas that she had a calling or a duty to give money to you?
(c) Did you tell [Mrs. Dovydenas] that her husband was possessed by devils?
(d) Did you tell her that God wanted her to give money to the Church?
(e) Did you tell her in 1985 that her family was evil ...?
(f) Did you tell [Mrs. Dovydenas] that her family, her father, mother, sisters, were possessed by demons?
(g) Are you [Pastor Stevens] aware that Mrs. Stevens had communicated with Mrs. Dovyde-nas on the subject of how to deal with an unbelieving husband?
(h) Did you not have some conversation with Mrs. Dovydenas late in 1985 on the subject of Mr. Freed’s battle with demons?
(i) Did you give Mrs. Dovydenas prayer lists from time to time?
(j) Did you instruct Mrs. Dovydenas to pray for guidance to give funds to The Bible Speaks?
(k) Did you instruct her to pray for guidance to give funds for the purchase of an airplane?
(/) Are you acquainted with the term "shepherding," Mrs. Hill?
(m)Did you not tell her on a daily basis over a period of eighteen months or so that non-members of the Church were possessed by demons?
(n) Did you [Mrs. Hill] not tell Mrs. Dovydenas during this time in 1985 that if she gave all of her money to the Church she would not die but would be raptured? What does that mean to be raptured?
(o) You [Mrs. Hill] told her [Mrs. Dovydenas] every day that God’s work dictated that she remove her funds from the family investment company, isn’t that right?
(p) During the discussion ... which took place at these private counseling sessions in Mr. Stevens’ office he told her it was God’s will that she give her money to The Bible Speaks, did he not?
(q) Did you [Mrs. Hill] or Mr. Stevens, to your knowledge, tell Betsy that there would be no relationship between her giving five million dollars to The Bible Speaks and whether Mr. Tur-kia would be let out of prison?
.
Cf. Van Schaick
v.
Church of Scientology of California, Inc.,
.
See, e.g., Serbian Eastern Orthodox Diocese
v.
Milivojevich,
.
E.g. Gingrich
v.
Bradley,
