The Webbs, who are unsecured creditors of the Schaitzes, appeal from a judgment of the district court upholding the bankruptcy judge’s confirmation of the Schaitzes’ Chapter 13 plan. The Webbs complain that the bankruptcy judge did not make adequate findings concerning the good faith of the Schaitzes in proposing the plan that the judge confirmed.
*453 In 1986 the Schaitzes sold their house to the Webbs for $58,000 and used the proceeds to buy the house in which they now live. When the Webbs moved into the house that they had just bought from the Schaitzes, they discovered a serious problem of flooding in the basement. A contractor told them it was a problem of long standing. The Webbs sued the Schaitzes, claiming fraud. The suit was still pending when, in 1988, burdened by the costs of the litigation instituted by the Webbs, the Schaitzes filed a petition for bankruptcy under Chapter 7. The filing of the petition automatically stayed the Webbs’ state court suit, 11 U.S.C. § 362(a), which they then refiled as an adversary proceeding in the bankruptcy court. In 1989 the bankruptcy judge, finding that the Schaitzes had indeed defrauded the Webbs, entered judgment for $12,328 in favor of the Webbs and in addition ruled that this judgment debt was not dischargeable in bankruptcy.
Two months later the Schaitzes filed a petition for bankruptcy under Chapter 13; their right to convert their Chapter 7 bankruptcy to a Chapter 13 bankruptcy is (rightly) not questioned. 11 U.S.C. § 706(a);
In re Martin,
Chapter 13 provides, for individuals, a counterpart to Chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code, which authorizes the reorganization of bankrupt enterprises in lieu of their liquidation. Instead of the trustee’s seizing and selling the bankrupt’s nonexempt assets, as in a Chapter 7 proceeding, under Chapter 13 (as under Chapter 11) the bankrupt proposes a plan for the repayment of his debts out of future income. Sometimes the plan is in the creditors’ own best interests, but even if they object to it the bankruptcy judge can cram it down their throats. 11 U.S.C. § 1325(a)(5)(B). He can do so however only if the plan is in “good faith,” § 1325(a)(3), a term neither defined in the statute nor discussed in the legislative history. The term is a familiar one in bankruptcy law,
In re EDC Holding Co.,
The bankruptcy judge noted that the Schaitzes had made an accurate disclosure of their debts, assets, income, and expenses in their Chapter 13 petition and that the amount they proposed to pay under the plan, $100 a month, was the limit of their ability to pay out of future income, given the modesty of that income — less than $2,000 a month — and the Schaitzes’ other, irreducible expenses (they have two children). All this was relevant to good faith, certainly, but it left out of consideration the question whether the plan could be said to be a sincere effort at repayment, or was instead an effort to thwart repayment.
It is true as the Schaitzes emphasize and the bankruptcy judge and the district judge noted that a Chapter 13 plan is not in bad faith merely because among the debts sought to be paid in part and discharged as to the balance is a debt nondischargeable in a Chapter 7 proceeding.
In re Smith, supra,
The analysis is not necessarily overthrown merely because the debtor may have
only
debts nondischargeable in a Chapter 7 proceeding (which as a matter of fact is not the case here). You cannot get water from a stone. The creditors may prefer an order under Chapter 13 to a garnishment proceeding under state law, even though, in Wisconsin anyway, the garnishment order, unlike a Chapter 13 order, would not be limited to five years and would carry interest (which could have the effect of extending the period indefinitely). Wis.Stat. §§ 812.01
et seq.,
815.05(8);
Eau Claire National Bank v. Chippewa Valley Bank,
The
Webbs argue that a Chapter 13 plan whose sole object is to discharge all or most of a nondischargeable debt is not in good faith. No case so holds, though
In re Chinichian,
The cases that we have cited which insist on a broader meaning of good faith than that employed by the bankruptcy judge and district judge in this case — which suggest in fact that a purpose of discharging a nondischargeable debt may taint a Chapter 13 plan irrevocably — may be wrong. We said earlier that the fact that a bankrupt’s only debts might be debts not dischargea-ble under Chapter 7 should not automatically prevent the approval of the Chapter 13 plan. Suppose that the Schaitzes, better advised by counsel than they were, had filed under Chapter 13 in the first place and had offered — as the bankruptcy judge thought they have offered — a plan as generous as is consistent with their irreducible obligations to their children, except that it terminates after five years. Would they be doing anything more than enforcing legal rights clearly and deliberately conferred on them by the statute? If so, how could they be thought to be acting in bad faith? Is the present case any different from our hypothetical case, when we consider the statutory right to convert a Chapter 7 to a Chapter 13 proceeding at any time? Or, on the other hand, should a demanding concept of good faith be viewed as the quid for Chapter 13’s quo of allowing otherwise nondischargeable debts to be discharged? On this view, which seems implicit though nowhere articulated in the cases we have cited, the right to discharge an otherwise nondischargeable debt through a Chapter 13 proceeding is a privilege to be granted *456 or denied by the bankruptcy court in the exercise of an informed discretion. The conflict between the two views of good faith that we have just sketched evokes the perennial issue of the proper balance between rules and discretion in the administration of law.
This court has yet to take sides on the difficult question of the proper meaning to assign “good faith” in Chapter 13, and we are disinclined to do so in this case, considering the starkness of the record before us. The inadequacy of the bankruptcy judge’s findings — he seems implicitly to have confined the good-faith inquiry to the question of the Schaitzes’ ability to pay on a monthly basis, and to have ignored the possibly (we do not say certainly) relevant question whether it was inequitable in the circumstances to allow them to take advantage of the five-year cut-off and such other benefits as Chapter 13 may confer on them— may reflect the fact that the Webbs were denied an opportunity for an evidentiary hearing on the issue of good faith. This denial came about as follows. The plan was originally confirmed at a hearing at which neither the Webbs nor their lawyer or other representative were present. The lawyer later advised the bankruptcy judge that he had not received notice of the hearing, and asked for reconsideration of the confirmation. The judge agreed to reconsider, but the forum for reconsideration turned out to be a hearing at which only lawyers were present. So there was no opportunity to explore such possibly pertinent factual questions as the Schaitzes’ motives in filing the Chapter 13 petition. (Were they just trying to hold on to as large as possible a share of their ill-gotten gains from defrauding the Webbs?) As a result, not only are the bankruptcy judge’s findings incomplete but so is the record. We therefore remand for an evidentiary hearing,
Allen v. Seidman,
Vacated and Remanded, with Directions.
