MEMORANDUM OPINION
CASE SUMMARY
This matter is before the Court on the verified applications for allowance of inter *563 im compensation filed by co-counsel for the creditors’ committee, the accountant for the debtor, and the accountant for the creditors’ committee. The Court is called upon to decide (1) whether compensation for pre-petition services rendered by the attorney for an unofficial creditors’ committee and the accountant for the debtor is allowable as an administrative expense of the Chapter 11 case; (2) whether professional persons employed pursuant to the authorization of this Court are limited to hourly rates charged by professionals in the Salt Lake City, Utah area; (3) whether the accountant for the creditors’ committee represents an interest adverse to the debtor’s estate such as to warrant denial of all compensation sought; and (4) whether the fees and costs sought are otherwise allowable.
FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
The debtor, Jensen-Farley Pictures, Inc., is a Utah corporation engaged in the business of producing and distributing motion pictures. In the Fall of 1983, the debtor’s financial situation had deteriorated to a critical point. On October 12, 1983, the debtor’s principals and financial advisors held a meeting at the debtor’s New York City office with its largest creditors to seek their cooperation while it attempted to restructure its business. The creditors present organized themselves into an unofficial committee and employed Teitelbaum & Gamberg, P.C., a New York City law firm, as its counsel. The debtor paid Teitelbaum & Gamberg a retainer of $10,-000. 1
The debtor requested that the committee recommend a temporary moratorium on debt collection by individual creditors while it attempted a nonbankruptcy workout. Members were informed that the Salt Lake City, Utah, law firm of Fabian & Clendenin had been retained and would file a Chapter 11 petition if necessary in order to forestall creditor action.
At the same time as the meeting with its largest creditors, the debtor employed Arthur Young & Company, certified public accountants, to conduct an audit of its books and records, and an expanded review of its assets and liabilities in connection with the effort to restructure and reorganize the business. 2 As a concession for recommending the moratorium, the debtor agreed to furnish the committee with all information produced by Arthur Young & Company. To this end the debtor instructed Arthur Young & Company to communicate and work directly with the unofficial committee.
During the uneasy truce with its creditors, the committee and Teitelbaum & Gam-berg were involved in negotiations concerning possible acquisitions of or mergers with the debtor. The debtor’s efforts toward accomplishing a nonbankruptcy workout were unsuccessful. On December 30, 1983, the debtor filed a voluntary petition for relief under Chapter ll. 3
On January 3, 1984, upon application of the unofficial creditors’ committee, the Court appointed a 16-member creditors’ committee, consisting exclusively of the former members of the unofficial committee. On January 3, 1984, the Court also approved the employment of Teitelbaum & Gamberg and Roe & Fowler as co-counsel for the creditors’ committee and Ernst & Whinney as its accountant. On January 5, *564 1984, the Court approved the employment of Arthur Young & Company as accountant for the debtor. An Examiner was appointed in the case on April 24, 1984, to “investigate the acts, conduct assets, liabilities, and financial condition of the debtor, the operation of the debtor’s business, and the desirability of the continuation of such business, and any other matter relevant to the case or to the formulation of a plan.” On October 24, 1984, the Examiner filed a report with the Court based on his investigation of the business and financial affairs of the debtor. The Examiner’s report concluded that “the continuation of the debt- or’s business is impossible.” 4
Verified applications for interim compensation and reimbursement of cases were filed by Teitelbaum & Gamberg, Roe & Fowler, Arthur Young & Company, and Ernst & Whinney in May, 1984. 5 In support of their application each applicant attached an itemization setting out the time spent and services rendered. After notice to parties in interest, the Court received an objection from the debtor to the applications of Teitelbaum & Gamberg, Ernst & Whinney, and Arthur Young & Company. The debtor objects (1) to the allowance of compensation for prepetition services performed by Teitelbaum & Gamberg and Arthur Young & Company; (2) to compensation to Teitelbaum & Gamberg, Ernst & Whinney and Arthur Young & Company in excess of the rates charged in the Salt Lake City area; (3) to the allowance of any fees to Ernst & Whinney upon the grounds that the accounting firm represents an interest adverse to the estate; (4) to the reasonableness of the fees sought by Teitelbaum & Gamberg, even when applying New York rates; (4) to the allowance of full compensation to attorneys for routine services such as telephone calls and correspondence; (6) to allowance for duplicative services by attorneys and accountants; (7) to the “overuse” of senior counsel by Teitelbaum & Gamberg; and (8) to the allowance of certain “overhead” items as reimbursable expenses.
On June 14, 1984, a hearing was held to consider the four applications. No evidence was presented in support of or against the applications but the Court heard the arguments of counsel. The Court took the matter under advisement and invited the parties to submit simultaneous memoranda. The Court has reviewed the applications and documentary evidence of record, the pleadings and papers on file herein, the memoranda of the parties in support of their respective positions, the transcript of oral argument, and the pertinent statutes, rules and case authorities, and now renders its decision.
DISCUSSION
Prepetition Attorneys’ and Accountants’ Fees
The majority of the services for which compensation is sought by Teitelbaum & Gamberg, P.C., co-counsel for the creditors’ committee, and Arthur Young & Company, accountant for the debtor, was performed prior to the commencement of the Chapter 11 case. Nonetheless, these applicants contend that their prepetition fees may be allowed as an administrative expense under *565 11 U.S.C. § 503(b)(3) and (4). 6 To understand this provision it is necessary to consider administrative expenses in their historical context.
The Language and Legislative History of Section 503 and the “Substantial Contribution” Test
Section 503 deals with administrative expenses allowable in a bankruptcy case. It describes six kinds of claims that are entitled to a first priority status under Section 507(a). Section 503(b)(3) and (4) permits the bankruptcy court to allow as an administrative expense reasonable compensation for professional services rendered by an attorney or accountant employed by a creditor, to the extent the expense falls within the guides described in that section. Section 503(b)(3) and (4) read as follows:
(b) After notice and a hearing, there shall be allowed administrative expenses, other than claims allowed under Section 502(f) of this title, including—
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(3) the actual, necessary expenses, other than compensation and reimbursement specified in paragraph (4) of this subsection, incurred by—
(A) a creditor that files a petition under Section 303 of this title;
(B) a creditor that recovers, after the court’s approval, for the benefit of the estate any property transferred or concealed by the debtor;
(C) a creditor in connection with the prosecution of a criminal offense relating to the case or to the business or property of the debtor;
(D) a creditor, an indenture trustee, an equity security holder, or a committee representing creditors or equity security holders other than a committee appointed under section 1102 of this title, in making a substantial contribution in a case under chapter 9 or 11 of this title; or
(E)a custodian superseded under section 543 of this title, and compensation for the services of such custodian;
(4) reasonable compensation for professional services rendered by an attorney or an accountant of an entity whose expense is allowable under paragraph (3) of this subsection, based on the time, the nature, the extent, and the value of such services, and the cost of comparable services other than in a case under this title, and reimbursement for actual, necessary expenses incurred by such attorney or accountant;
Subsection (b) is derived mainly from section 64a(l) of the Bankruptcy Act, with some changes. S.Rep. No. 95-989, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 66 (1978), 1978 U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News, p. 5787, 5852. The language is relatively clear; it permits certain creditors, indenture trustees, or unofficial committees to receive as an administrative expense their actual, necessary expenses for a “substantial contribution” to a case under Chapter 9 or Chapter 11.
See
3 COLLIER ON BANKRUPTCY 11 503.04, at 503-36 (15th ed. 1984). Subsection (b) also contemplates that certain qualifying expenses incurred prepetition receive an administrative priority.
See
11 U.S.C. § 503(b)(3)(E);
Matter of Pride Foods Inc.,
The legislative history of Section 503(b) indicates that Congress intended to adhere to the “direct benefit” rule of decisions under Sections 242 and 243 of the Bankruptcy Act, without the requirement of a confirmed plan, and, with respect to superseded custodianships, to the “equitable benefit” doctrine of
Randolph v. Scruggs,
(1) The “Direct Benefit” Rule. Turning first to the issue of whether these applicants’ services made a “substantial contribution” to the Chapter 11 case, the Court notes that the phrase is derived from Sections 242 and 243 of the former Bankruptcy Act, 11 U.S.C. §§ 642, 643 (repealed). H.R.Rep. No. 95-595, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 355 (1977), 1978 U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News, p. 6311; S.Rep. No. 95-989, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 67 (1978), 1978 U.S. Code Cong. & Admin.News, pp. 5852-53. “It does not require a contribution that leads to confirmation of a plan, for in many cases, it will be a substantial contribution if the person involved uncovers facts that would lead to a denial of confirmation, such as fraud in connection with the case.” Id. Sections 242 and 243 were implemented by former Bankruptcy Rule 10-215(c)(l)(B), which enabled the bankruptcy court to make allowances of reasonable compensation and reimbursement of expenses for services which (1) were beneficial in the administration of the estate; (2) contributed to a plan which was approved or to the approval of a plan whether or not such plan was confirmed; (3) contributed to a plan which was confirmed or to the confirmation of a plan; or (4) were rendered in opposing a plan, the confirmation of which was refused. The principal test was the benefit to the debtor’s estate. See 6A COLLIER ON BANKRUPTCY 1113.02, at 541-42 (14th ed. 1977).
Under Section 77B of the Bankruptcy Act, 11 U.S.C. § 207, fees could be awarded for prepetition services of committees and professionals employed by committees where the services directly benefited the reorganization.
In re Ulen & Co.,
In
In re Buildings Development Co.,
The services of the committee prior to the institution of reorganization proceed *567 ings did not contemplate a reorganization and were performed for the sole purpose of protecting the claims of holders of first mortgage bonds who were parties to the deposit agreement. The decisions establish that services rendered prior to the institution of a reorganization proceeding may be compensated as a part of the cost of reorganization, if they are in fact of value in the formulation and adoption of the plan. But when a committee is organized for the purpose of protecting the interest solely of a designated group of creditors and when all of the steps taken by this committee are taken for the purpose of protecting the interest of the designated class of creditors, and when there is no intention to aid the debtor directly by preserving its property for purposes of reorganization for the benefit of the debtor as well as creditors, such services cannot be said to be rendered in connection with a subsequent reorganization proceeding and plan simply because such services prevented, or helped to prevent, the debtor from losing the only assets out of which such creditors might obtain payment.
In the instant case the services performed by the committee prior to the institution of the reorganization proceedings were not rendered in anticipation of a reorganization; and the evidence fails to disclose that such services contributed to the formulation and adoption of the plan which was afterwards submitted by the committee. No doubt the services helped to keep legal title to its property in the debtor; but there was no intention to accomplish this result in order to preserve assets as the basis of a reorganization for the benefit of the debtor as well as for creditors.
Id. at 845-46 (footnote omitted).
In
Sullivan & Cromwell v. Colorado Fuel & Iron Co., supra,
The statute is broad in scope and does not limit the compensation authorized by its terms to services rendered after the institution of the reorganization proceeding. It is common knowledge that the affairs of a debtridden corporation are sometimes so complicated that skill, patience, and extended consideration of many factors covering a long period of time are required to effect a fair and equitable plan of reorganization. It frequently is feasible and expedient to work out the plan before the proceeding is filed; and compensation may be awarded for services rendered before as well as those rendered after the proceeding is actually instituted if they had a direct and proximate relation to the formation of the plan, were valuable, and were in the interest of the debtor.
Id. at 221-22.
In
In re Ulen & Co., supra,
In
Finn v. Childs Co., supra,
But we think the issue should be faced more directly; shortly stated, the very tenuous statutory basis for any allowance does not seem to us to justify awards for uncertain and somewhat problematical benefits thus conferred on the administration of an estate before it has begun. The difficulty is in seeing where much of any line can be drawn to reduce the potential contribution for pri- or activities during the always-occurring prior period of financial stress. Activities supporting the management will be beneficial as aimed at avoiding the disaster of bankruptcy; while activities opposing its excesses will be beneficial as hastening the curative and cleansing course of reorganization. The cases emphasize that when such allowances are made they must be for work which “directly contributes” to the reorganization; thus we have held that compensation is not allowable from the estate “for the work of the attorneys in conserving the debt- or’s assets” as well as in proposing an arrangement differing from the reorganization finally effected.... To have this direct connection it would seem that the services must not only be ultimately beneficial in some clearly observable way, but also have been directed toward the specific rehabilitation of the debtor which actually took place. Chance and unwitting action, or activities a year or so earlier to control the course of creditor pressure upon the debtor, would seem clearly outside the narrow limits of the precedents, even if these in turn do go somewhat beyond the literal statutory language.
Id. at 439-40 (footnote and citations omitted).
The phrase “substantial contribution” actually appears in Section 4-403 of the bankruptcy statute proposed by the Commission on the Bankruptcy Laws of the United States. Section 4-403 states in pertinent part:
(a) Administrative Claims. An administrative claim for any of the following expenses shall be allowed to the extent the expense is necessary and reasonable:
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(8) compensation for services, representing a substantial contribution to a confirmed plan in a Chapter VII case, rendered by an attorney or accountant to an indenture trustee, a creditor, an equity security holder, or a committee representing creditors or equity security holders not appointed pursuant to Section 7-101;
*569 (9) expense, representing a substantial contribution to a confirmed plan in a Chapter VII case, not included in clause (8), incurred by a creditor, equity security holder, or a committee representing creditors or equity security holders not appointed pursuant to Section 7-101_
Report of the Commission on the Bankruptcy Laws of the United States, H.R.Doc. No. 93-137, 93d Cong., 1st Sess., Pt. II at 99 (1973). Its counterpart in the legislation proposed by the National Conference of Bankruptcy Judges also used the phrase “substantial contribution” and would also have limited such administrative claims to cases in which a plan of reorganization was confirmed. See Hearings on H.R. 31 and H.R. 32 Before the Subcomm. on Civil and Constitutional Rights of the House Comm, of the Judiciary, 94th Cong, 1st & 2d Sess., Ser. No. 27, App. I, pp. 130-31 (1975).
The requirement that the services or expense must have substantially contributed to a confirmed plan was ultimately dropped by Congress in enacting Section 503(b).
See
S.Rep. No. 95-989, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 67 (1978), U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, p. 5852. But otherwise, the “direct benefit” rule of the foregoing cases remains the touchstone in a “substantial contribution” analysis. The appropriate test under Section 503(b) is whether the services substantially contributed to a successful result, that is, an actual and demonstrable benefit to the debtor’s estate, the creditors, and, to the extent relevant, the stockholders.
See In re United Puerto Rican Food Corp.,
(2)
The “Equitable Benefit” Doctrine.
If a bankruptcy case supersedes a general assignment for the benefit of creditors
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or a receivership the Bankruptcy Code permits expenses incurred in those proceedings to enjoy an administrative priority.
See
11 U.S.C. § 503(b)(3)(E); 11 U.S.C. § 543(c)(2). In their joint statement, the floor managers explained that “[section 503(b)(3)(E) codifies present law in cases such as
Randolph v. Scruggs,
Prior to the Supreme Court’s decision in
Randolph v. Scruggs, supra,
The equitable benefit doctrine of
Randolph v. Scruggs
permitted assignees and others, usually receivers, to receive such prepetition expenses as were reasonably incurred in the care and preservation of assets, which inured to the benefit of the bankruptcy estate.
In re Armstrong Glass Company, Inc.,
The following prepetition expenses were accorded an administrative priority as tending to preserve and benefit the bankruptcy estate: (1) appraiser’s fees; 11 (2) fire insurance premium; 12 (3) repairs, insurance, and taxes paid by the assignee; 13 (4) reimbursement of bills incurred by an assignee for electric lights; 14 (5) assignee’s expenses of operating the debtor’s business; 15 (6) premium on the assignee’s bond; 16 (7) assignee’s expenses of taking an inventory and recovering possession of and protecting assets after having been forcibly dispossessed by the debtor; 17 (8) assignee’s expenses incurred in adjusting a fire insurance claim for destruction of property of the debtor; 18 and (9) warehouse storage expenses incurred by a sheriff pursuant to a prepetition levy in an attachment proceeding, which preserved the debtor’s property for the benefit of creditors. 19
In every case in which prepetition expenses were allowed, a demonstrable benefit to the estate was shown. The benefit was required to be substantial and courts carefully scrutinized such requests.
See Bass v. Quittner, Stutman & Treister,
To the extent that the legislative history of Section 503(b) suggests that parties other than assignees, receivers, or trustees may receive compensation for beneficial prepetition services as a cost of administration,
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the Court believes that Congress envisioned circumstances similar to those in
Petition of Andrew Dutton Co.,
An official creditors’ committee was denied an administrative claim for compensation for prepetition services in
In re Rollin Motors Co.,
In
Bass v. Quittner, Stutman & Treis-ter, supra,
Accounting Services Performed In Contemplation of Bankruptcy
The explanation by Arthur Young & Company emphasizes that their services were performed in contemplation of the debtor’s bankruptcy, and had they not been performed pre-filing, it would have been necessary to employ accountants to perform the same services during the bankruptcy case. (Tr. p. 6). Counsel’s repeated assertions that the accounting services were rendered “in contemplation of bankruptcy” (See Tr. pp. 6, 7, 10), is not supported by any evidence. On the contrary, the evidence is adequate to establish that Arthur Young & Company was employed to perform routine accounting services, such as an audit of the debtor’s books and the preparation of financial statements. See “Summary of Time for Unreimbursed Fees, October 1983 to December 31, 1983, in Connection with Providing Information to the Creditors Committee,” annexed as Exhibit “A” to the First Verified Application for Allowance of Compensation and Reimbursement of Expenses by Arthur Young & Company (May 11, 1984). The debtor and Arthur Young & Company may have contemplated some reorganization of the debtor’s business and financial affairs, but bankruptcy was more of a threat to enforce the creditor moratorium than the underlying purpose for the accounting services. Arthur Young & Company suggests that prepetition accounting services rendered “in contemplation of bankruptcy” are allowable as an administrative expense pursuant to Section 329 of the Code. The argument that Section 329 affords a basis for awarding prepetition fees to the debt- or’s accountants is without merit. Section 329 provides:
(a) Any attorney representing a debtor in a case under this title, or in connection with such a case, whether or not such attorney applies for compensation under this title, shall file with the court a statement of the compensation paid or agreed to be paid, if such payment or agreement was made after one year before the date of the filing of the petition, for services rendered or to be rendered in contemplation of or in connection with the case by such attorney, and the source of such compensation.
(b) If such compensation exceeds the reasonable value of any such services, the court may cancel any such agreement, or order the return of any such payment, to the extent excessive, to—
(1) the estate, if the property transferred—
(A) would have been property of the estate; or
(B) was to be paid by or on behalf of the debtor under a plan under chapter 11 or 13 of this title; or
(2) the entity that made such payment.
Section 329 is derived in large part from Section 60d of the former Bankruptcy Act. Like its predecessor, Section 329 deals solely with the power of the bankruptcy court to review the reasonableness of attorneys’ fees in order to protect both creditors and the debtor from overcharges.
Cf.
S.Rep. No. 147, 88th Cong., 1st Sess. (Apr. 23,
*574
1963), 1963 U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News, pp. 634, 635-36. “Payments to a debtor’s attorney provide serious potential for evasion of creditor protection provisions of the bankruptcy laws, and serious potential for overreaching by the debtor’s attorney, and should be subject to careful scrutiny.” H.R.Rep. No. 95-595, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 329 (1977), 1978 U.S.Code Cong. & Admin. News, p. 6285. The phrase “in contemplation of bankruptcy,” as it appeared in Section 60d of the Act, was interpreted by the Supreme Court to require an inquiry as to the debtor’s motives. “[T]he controlling question is with respect to the state of mind of the debtor and whether the thought of bankruptcy was the impelling cause of the transaction.”
Conrad, Rubin & Lesser v. Pender,
Under circumstances somewhat similar to those of the present case, accountant’s fees for prebankruptcy services were denied an administrative priority in
In re Hansen & Tyler Auto Co.,
Arthur Young & Company, although initially employed by the debtor, further argues that its prepetition fees are allowable under Section 503(b) because “[t]he financial information developed by [Arthur Young & Company] during the pre-petition period inured to the benefit of the debtor, the estate, and the official creditors’ committee appointed after the filing of the petition.” Memorandum in Support of Application for Allowance of Compensation and Reimbursement of Expenses by Arthur Young and Company at 7 (June 25, 1984). Apparently recognizing the weakness of its Section 329 argument, Arthur Young & Company attempts to recharac-terize the nature of its services by suggesting that because such services benefited the creditors’ committee, they fall within Section 503(b)(3) and (4). It is clear that Arthur Young & Company was at all times employed by the debtor, not by the creditors’ committee. The creditors’ committee employed its own accountant, Ernst & Whinney. Accordingly, the Court finds no basis in law for allowance of an administrative claim to Arthur Young & Company for prepetition accounting services to the debt- or. Therefore, the argument must fail.
Local Versus National Billing Rates
Teitelbaum & Gamberg is a New York law firm, with its offices in New York City. Mr. Teitelbaum’s hourly billing rate, for which he charges other clients for similar matters, is $250.00. Arthur Young and Company is a national accounting firm, with offices in New York City, and elsewhere. Ernst & Whinney, accountants for the creditors’ committee, is also a national accounting firm. The debtor contends that the New York billing rates for these attorneys and accountants are approximately twice those charged for similar services in Salt Lake City and must be reduced to the rates prevailing in the situs of the case. Debtor’s Memorandum in Support of Objection to Fee Applications at 7 (June 25, 1984). This “community standard” approach enjoys some judicial support among the bankruptcy courts.
See e.g., In re
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Werth,
A discussion of this controversial issue must begin with a brief look at six recent decisions, two from the United States Supreme Court, one from the Tenth Circuit, and three from bankruptcy courts.
In
Hensley v. Eckerhart,
The statute and legislative history establish that “reasonable fees” under § 1988 are to be calculated according to the prevailing market rates in the relevant community, regardless of whether plaintiff is represented by private or nonprofit counsel.
Id.,
The Tenth Circuit, in
Ramos v. Lamm,
In two recent bankruptcy decisions the issue before this Court was squarely presented. In
Matter of Baldwin United Corp.,
We also noted the legislative history of section 330(a) where the Congress expressed the view that “the policy of this section is to compensate attorneys and other professionals serving in a case under title 11 at the same rate as the attorney or other professional would be compensated for performing comparable services other than in a case under title 11.” 124 CONG.REC. 32,-294 (1978). It appears contrary to this legislative intent to deny bankruptcy lawyers from other regions the normal fees charged clients when their expertise is needed in a complex proceeding in this venue. The better view is that the matters surrounding this estate do indeed warrant special consideration and constitute more unusual and unique circumstances than those faced by the court in Ramos. Accordingly, we find that outside counsel may charge rates normally charged clients in their respective regional areas for counsel time expended in these proceedings.
Id.,
An earlier bankruptcy court decision agreed that the policy behind the enactment of Section 330 favored allowing out-of-state attorneys compensation at their regular billing rates. In
In re Atlas Automation, Inc.,
Consistent with the new position on fees must be the inference that more experienced practitioners with regional or metropolitan practices should be encouraged to accept appointments in cases filed in less populous communities. It is simply a fact that in a small community like Flint there are just not that many Ch. 11 eases filed involving substantial assets and liabilities; in this instance, Atlas Automation dwarfed almost all the other Ch. 11 cases then pending in this unit by the extent of its operations and corporate complexities. One would expect under the circumstances that an attorney who has regularly been appointed by the Bankruptcy Court in Detroit in comparably complex cases would have the relevant experience that would make him an attractive candidate to the creditors committee.
This Court observes that almost all of the Ch. 11 “regulars” with offices in greater Flint were appointed or privately retained to represent parties or creditors in this case. This Court does not take the position, however, that unless all of the competent Ch. 11 lawyers are already appointed or represent creditors or equity security holders, local rates apply to regional or metropolitan attorneys who accept appointment by the Court. The Flint-based attorneys who represented other parties in the case should, and may, have welcomed “tilting in the lists” with an experienced insolvency lawyer from Detroit.
From the Court’s perspective, appointment of regional or metropolitan counsel also has a prophylactic effect on the administration of bankruptcy cases. Such counsel often enjoy the independence which is required to take an appeal from an erroneous ruling of or abuse of discretion by the bankruptcy court; one need not emphasize perhaps that local counsel perceive themselves as constrained in taking appeals when their professional income is dependent upon favorable re *577 view of fee petitions in the mine run of cases by the one or two bankruptcy judges in town. In addition, appointment of regional or metropolitan counsel may also introduce insightful or innovative strategies in the formulation of plans or the prosecution of claims in adversary proceedings.
The dark side of limiting regional or metropolitan attorneys to local rates is to protect parochial values and the cozy comfort of a close-knit professional family of bench-and-bar. That form of professional inbreeding has, unfortunately, led to widespread public suspicion of impropriety or corruption. An effective antidote is to open appointments to all qualified applicants.
Id.,
Against this backdrop of recent case law, the Court must consider these applications. It must be noted that fee decisions in civil rights cases have often provided guidance to bankruptcy courts in making allowances under the Bankruptcy Act and the Code.
See e.g., Johnson v. Georgia Highway Express, Inc.,
Allowances of professional compensation under the Bankruptcy Act were governed by former Bankruptcy Rule 219(c) which required the Court to take into account “conservation of the estate and the interests of creditors.” Economy of administration became the paramount consideration.
See Matter of U.S. Golf Corp.
The bankruptcy bill proposed by the Commission on the Bankruptcy Laws of the United States would have retained the “economic spirit” of the Bankruptcy Act. See Note accompanying Section 4-404(c), Report of the Commission on the Bankruptcy Laws of the United States, H.R. Doc. No. 93-137, 93d Cong., 1st Sess. Pt. I at 108-09 (1973). The Senate Report accompanying S.2266, likewise, would have limited professional fees to “the lower end of the spectrum of reasonableness.” The Report states in pertinent part:
Section 330 authorizes the court to award compensation for services and reimbursement of expenses of officers of the estate, and other professionals. The compensation is to be reasonable, for economy in administration is the basic objective. Compensation is to be for actual necessary services, based on the time spent, the nature, the extent and the value of the services rendered, and the cost of comparable services in non-bankruptcy cases. There are the criteria that have been applied by the courts as analytic aids in defining “reasonable” compensation.
The reference to “the cost of comparable services” in a nonbankruptcy case is not intended as a change of existing law. In a bankruptcy case fees are not a matter for private agreement. There is inherent a “public interest” that “must be considered in awarding fees,” Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Co. v. Brock,405 F.2d 429 , 432 (CA5, 1968), cert. den.,395 U.S. 906 , [89 S.Ct. 1748 ,23 L.Ed.2d 220 ] (1969).
S.Rep. No. 95-989, 9th Cong., 2d Sess.-40 (1978), 1978 U.S. Code Cong. & Admin. New, p. 5826.
*578 The House of Representatives adopted a contrary position, and based fee awards on “the cost of comparable services” rather than on principles of economy. The Report accompanying H.R. 8200 emphasizes the importances of attracting the highest caliber of professional persons to bankruptcy practice.
The compensation is to be reasonable, for actual necessary services rendered, based on the time, the nature, the extent, and the value of the services rendered, and on the cost of comparable services other than in a case under the bankruptcy code. The effect of the last provision is to overrule In re Beverly Crest Convalescent Hospital, Inc.,548 F.2d 817 (9th Cir.1976, as amended 1977), which set an arbitrary limit on fees payable, based on the amount of a district judge’s salary, and other, similar cases that require fees to be determined based on notions of conservation of the estate and economy of administration. If that case were allowed to stand, attorneys that could earn much higher incomes in other fields would leave the bankruptcy arena. Bankruptcy specialists, who enable the system to operate smoothly, efficiently, and expeditiously, would be driven elsewhere, and the bankruptcy field would be occupied by those who could not find other work and those who practice bankruptcy law only occasionally almost as a public service. Bankruptcy fees that are lower than fees in other areas of the legal profession may operate properly when the attorneys appearing in bankruptcy cases do so intermittently, because a low fee in a small segment of a practice can be absorbed by other work. Bankruptcy specialists, however, if required to accept fees in all of their cases that are consistently lower than fees they could receive elsewhere, will not remain in the bankruptcy field.
H.R. 95-595, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 329-30 (1977), U.S. Code Cong. & Admin. News 1978, p. 6286.
In the end, the liberal standard of compensation proposed by the House prevailed and the “economy principle” was abolished. The joint explanatory statement of the floor managers indicates the unmistakable intent of Congress to change prior practice.
Section 330(a) contains the standard of compensation adopted in HR 8200 as passed by the House rather than the contrary standard contained in the Senate amendment. Attorneys’ fees in bankruptcy cases can be quite large and should be closely examined by the court. However bankruptcy legal services are entitled to command the same competency of counsel as other cases. In that light, the policy of this section is to compensate attorneys and other professionals serving in a case under title 11 at the same rate as the attorney or other professional would be compensated for performing comparable services other than in a case under title 11. Contrary language in the Senate report accompanying S 2266 is rejected, and Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Company v. Brock, 405 F2d 429, 432 (5th Cir 1968) is overruled. Notions of economy of the estate in fixing fees are outdated and have no place in a bankruptcy code.
124 Cong.Rec. H11091 (daily ed. Sept. 28, 1978) (remarks of Representative Edwards); 124 Cong. Rec. S17408 (daily ed. Oct. 6, 1978) (remarks of Senator DeConei-ni).
Cf. In re McLean,
Congress intended for market rates to govern allowances of fees in bankruptcy cases. It would be contrary to the clear intent of Congress to impose community based wage controls over professional *579 fees. Attorneys’ hourly rates are fixed by the market in which they customarily practice, not by the Court. The stress of competition tends to establish market rates for professional services, which may not be uniform throughout the nation. Experience has shown that only in unusually large cases with significant creditor interest do out-of-state counsel actively participate in proceedings before this Court. 23 In such cases, the Court is free to look to a national market in making fee allowances. The bankruptcy court does not sit as a wage board. 24
Conflicts of Interest
(1) Ernst & Whinney. The debtor asks the Court to disallow the fees and costs sought by Ernst & Whinney in their entirety based upon an alleged conflict of interest. Ernst & Whinney’s representation of an interest adverse to the estate is exemplified by the debtor in a letter sent by the Toronto office of Ernst & Whinney to the debtor on behalf of a group of investors in a film project. The letter stated that Ernst & Whinney was the investors’ representative and in their opinion and that of their attorneys the filing of Chapter 11 constituted a default by Jensen-Farley Pictures under the film distribution agreement. Ernst & Whinney demanded an accounting and advised that they had instructed the Canadian film laboratory handling the film to refuse Jensen-Farley and their assigns and successors all access to the master negative. In the debtor’s view this action constitutes a representation of interests adverse to the estate in violation of Section 1103(b) and warrants denial of all fees and costs under Section 328(c).
The conflict of interest question is not susceptible to resolution on the present state of the record. Although argued and briefed by the debtor, the arguments and memoranda submitted by Ernst & Whinney do not address or even mention this matter. A further hearing must be held to determine whether all fees and expenses requested by Ernst & Whinney must be denied or reduced under Section 328(c). 25
Section 1103(a) does not specifically require accountants employed by a creditors’ committee to be “disinterested persons” as that term is defined in Section 101(13) of the Code. If, however, such accountants are not “disinterested persons,” compensation for services rendered and reimbursement for expenses incurred may be denied by the Court unless adequate disclosure is made and prior approval of the Court is obtained. 11 U.S.C. § 328(c). In its ex parte application to employ accountants, the creditors’ committee failed to disclose the relationship of Ernst & Whinney to the debtor.
See
Bankruptcy Rule 2014(a). Those who seek appointments as professional persons in bankruptcy cases owe the duty of complete disclosure of all facts bearing upon their eligibility for such appointment.
See Matter of Futuronics Corp.,
(2) Arthur Young & Company. In considering the application of Arthur Young & *580 Company, accountant for the debtor, the Court must raise an issue not previously addressed by the parties or the Court. This is the question of Arthur Young & Company’s eligibility to serve as accountant since it is a prepetition creditor of Jensen-Farley Pictures.
Section 327(a) authorizes the debtor in possession, subject to the Court’s approval, to employ professional persons, such as attorneys, accountants, appraisers, and auctioneers, to represent or perform services for the estate. Only “disinterested” persons “that do not hold or represent an interest adverse to the estate” may be employed by the debtor in possession. H.R. Rep. No. 95-595, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 328 (1977), U.S. Code Cong. & Admin. News 1978, p. 6284. Section 1107 provides that “notwithstanding section 327(a) of this title, a person is not disqualified for employment by or representation of the debtor before the commencement of the case.” But the phrase “disinterested person” is defined in Section 101(13) to mean someone who is “not a creditor.”
The definition of “disinterested person” is adapted from Section 158 of Chapter X of the Bankruptcy Act, 11 U.S.C. § 558 (repealed). H.R.Rep. No. 95-595, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 310 (1977); S.Rep. No. 95-989, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 23 (1978). Section 158 defined four classes of persons who were not deemed disinterested, as follows:
A person shall not be deemed disinterested, for the purposes of section 156 and section 157 of this Act, if—
(1) he is a creditor or stockholder of the debtor; or
(2) he is or was underwriter of any of the outstanding securities of the debtor or within five years prior to the date of the filing of the petition was the underwriter of any securities of the debtor; or
(3) he is, or was within two years prior to the date of the filing of the petition, a director, officer, or employee of the debt- or or any such underwriter, or an attorney for the debtor or such underwriter; or
(4)it appears that he has, by reason of any other direct or indirect relationship to, connection with, or interest in the debtor or such underwriter, or for any reason an interest materially adverse to the interests of any class of creditors or stockholders.
See also
former Bankruptcy Rule 10-202(c)(2) (superseded). Under Section 158 and Bankruptcy Rule 10-202(c), it was conclusively presumed that a person who is a creditor was incapable of the impartial judgment required in the administration of the Chapter X case.
See Matter of Realty Associates Securities Corp.,
In its application for appointment as accountant in this case, Arthur Young & Company did not disclose its status as a prepetition creditor of Jensen-Farley Pictures, with an unsecured claim exceeding $48,000. Had it done so, the Court would have denied the appointment or authorized it subject to waiver by Arthur Young & Company of its prepetition claim. See In re Roberts, supra, note 25. Since Arthur Young & Company is not, and at the time of its appointment was not, a disinterested person, the Court may in its discretion disallow all compensation and reimbursement of expenses. See 11 U.S.C. § 328(c). The Court must ultimately decide whether Arthur Young & Company should be allowed to cure the disqualifying circumstance by permitting the accountant to waive its pre-petition claim at this time. Since neither the debtor, the creditors’ committee, nor the Court previously raised the conflicts of interest question with respect to Arthur Young & Company, it would be unfair to rule on this matter without giving the accountant an opportunity to be heard.
Guidelines for the Preparation and Presentation of Fee Applications
Few subjects have received so much attention in the reported decisions of the *581 bankruptcy courts as compensation for professional services. It is curious that after all that has been written on the subject, there is still no adequate set of guidelines for the preparation and presentation of fee applications. For the benefit of the bankruptcy bar in the district and certainly not for this case alone, the Court perceives the need to identify the principles and considerations which govern its fee decisions. 26
Notice.
Consideration of fee requests by professional persons employed under Sections 327 and 1103 of the Code requires notice and a hearing by the Court. 11 U.S.C. §§ 330, 331. Bankruptcy Rule 2002(a)(7) requires 20 days notice by mail to all creditors of hearings on applications for compensation or reimbursement of expenses totaling in excess of $100. The notice must identify the applicant and the amount requested. Bankruptcy Rule 2002(c)(2). In addition, this Court may require the notice to identify the dates and amounts of prior allowances of interim compensation. An applicant is not permitted to estimate fees and costs which will be incurred after filing the application and prior to the hearing thereon. Those fees and expenses should be included in the subsequent application.
See In re Ritz Carlton Restaurant & Hotel Co.,
Content of Application.
27
Bankruptcy Rule 2016 provides that the fee application filed with the Court must eon-tain a detailed statement of (1) the services rendered, (2) time expended, (3) expenses incurred, and (4) amounts requested. In addition, the rule requires that the application contain a statement as to what payments have theretofore been made or promised to the applicant for services rendered or to be rendered in connection with the case, the source thereof, and whether any fee sharing agreement exists. The application need not be the size of a “boring Victorian novel,”
In re Hotel Associates, Inc,,
Verification. Authority for the allowance and payment of expenses to professional persons is found in Sections 330 and 331 of the Code. Bankruptcy Rules 2002 and 2016 prescribe the procedure for making application to the Court for such allowances. The Bankruptcy Rules neither require nor provide for the verification of fee applications. Compare Bankruptcy Rule 2016 with Bankruptcy Rule 9011(b). 28 See also former Bankrupt *582 cy Rules 219(a) and 911(b). Nonetheless, the practice has developed in this and other jurisdictions of submitting verified applications for allowance of compensation and reimbursement of expenses. A verification, as used in connection with fee applications in bankruptcy cases, is nothing more than a confirmation of the truth and correctness of the time records submitted to the Court. Its object is to assure the good faith and authenticity of those records. A verification is not a substitute for testimony in support of a contested fee application, nor does it limit the Court’s inquiry as to the services rendered or reasonableness of the fee sought. In this Court’s view, the signature of the attorney or other professional who submits a fee application constitutes a certificate by him of the correctness of his time records of services actually rendered. See Bankruptcy Rule 9011(a). A verification is not required in order to impress upon an attorney’s conscience the necessity of truthfulness in the matters set forth in the fee application.
Time Records.
Professional persons who intend to seek compensation from debtors’ estates should maintain meticulous contemporaneous time records and such records should reveal sufficient data to enable the Court to make an informed judgment about the specific tasks and hours allotted.
In re Wilson Foods Corp., supra,
formed, (2) a concise description of the services rendered, (3) the time spent expressed to the nearest tenth of an hour, and (4) the name or initials of the professional or paraprofessional who performed the services. Where abbreviations other than those in general usage are employed, a key to such abbreviations should be included.
Cf. In re Horn & Hardart Baking Co.,
The Court is aware that time and record keeping are tasks that most lawyers dislike and do not always perform well.
In re City Planners & Developers, Inc.,
Billing Judgment.
It is a familiar practice for law firms to make certain billing adjustments and exclude time for unproductive efforts. Attorneys requesting compensation under Sections 330 and 331 should take heed of the advice given by the Supreme Court in
Hensley v. Eckerhart, supra,
and exercise “billing judgment” when applying to the Court for allowance of fees in the same manner that they use such judgment when presenting bills to their clients. The Court offers the following guidelines to fee applicants as to the appropriate exercise of billing judgment in bankruptcy cases.
30
When more than one attorney attends a hearing, unless each actively participates, no fee or a reduced fee should be sought for non-participating counsel.
See Impro Products, Inc. v. Block,
Some courts have held that “routine and ministerial services,”
i.e.,
telephone conversations, correspondence and attending meetings, should be compensated at a lower rate than “truly legal services” such as litigation, settlement negotiations, research, and document drafting.
See, e.g., Matter of Ferkauf, Inc.,
The debtor contends that Teitel-baum & Gamberg “overused” senior partners, who performed services which presumably could and should have been rendered by associates or paralegals at lower rates. Its assertion is predicated on the bare fact that “eighty-four percent of Teitelbaum & [Gamberg’s] billings represent partner time at maximum rates.” Memorandum in Support of Objection to Fee Application at 18. In view of the fact that no evidence has been offered to challenge the number of hours expended or that the services were otherwise inefficiently handled, the Court rejects the debt- or’s invitation to reduce the fee on this basis alone. The Court agrees with the following analysis of the District Court for the District of Columbia in
Laffey v. Northwest Airlines, Inc., 512
F.Supp. 354, 366, (D.D.C.1983),
affd in part and remanded in part,
This Court concludes that the allocation of responsibility between partners, associates and paralegals with respect to most tasks is a function of many variables and that there is no uniform approach that applies in all instances. “It is an inherent part of an attorney’s tasks to determine what types of expertise should be brought to bear on a legal problem,” Connors v. Drivers, Chauffeurs & Helpers Local Union, 639, C.A. 82-1840, slip op. at 15, (D.D.C. March 4, 1983) and “[ajbsent a clear misallocation of resources, this Court is unwilling to second-guess counsel’s judgment.” Id.
(Footnote omitted).
Expenses.
The fee application should include a detailed list of expenses for which reimbursement is sought, including date, type and amount. Expenses must be actual, not estimates.
In re Marsh,
Objections to Fee Requests.
Local Rule 27(d) of this Court provides that a notice of hearing include a statement that the relief requested may be granted without an actual hearing unless timely objection is made. This rule has no application to fee requests. Where no objections are raised to a fee request, the Court is not bound to award the fee as prayed. The Court has a duty, regardless of whether objections are filed, to determine the reasonableness of all fee requests.
38
In re Watson Seafood & Poultry Co., Inc.,
An objection to a fee request is a contested matter within the meaning of Bankruptcy rule 9014 and the fee opponent may have the opportunity to request discovery.
See Stolkin v. Nachman,
The Standard for Determining Fee Awards Under the Bankruptcy Code. The basic statutory authority governing allowances of compensation to professional persons for services rendered in bankruptcy cases is set forth in Section 330. That provision authorizes the Court to award reasonable compensation for actu-
*586
al, necessary services rendered based on the nature, the extent, and the value of such services, the time spent on such services, and the cost of comparable services in a nonbankruptcy case. 11 U.S.C. § 330(a)(1). No attempt is made to define “reasonable,” “actual,” “necessary,” or the scope of compensable professional “services”, or to suggest what types of nonbank-ruptcy services are “comparable.”
Cf. In re City Planners & Developers, Inc., supra,
reasonably expended. This “lodestar” fee represents an “initial estimate,”
Hensley v. Eckerhart, supra,
Undue emphasis on the factor of time fails to acknowledge the fact that skill and experience may accomplish much in a short period of time. It also ignores the fact that some services are routine and ordinary while others involve complex and difficult issues.
The factors set forth in Section 330 are not exhaustive.
In re Garland Corp.,
The Tenth Circuit has adopted the twelve well-recognized factors enunciated in
Johnson v. Georgia Highway Express, Inc.,
1. The time and labor required.
2. The novelty and difficulties of the question.
3. The skill requisite to perform the legal service properly.
4. The preclusion of other employment by the attorney due to acceptance of the case.
5. The customary fee.
*587 6. Whether the fee is fixed or contingent.
7. Time limitations imposed by the client.
8. The amount involved and the results obtained.
9. The experience, reputation and ability of the attorneys.
10. The undesirability of the case.
11. The nature and length of the professional relationship with the client.
12. Awards in similar cases.
Commenting on the usefulness of the
Johnson
factors, the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel for the First Circuit stated: “In the practical sense, however, the delineation of twelve rubrics does little to assist in the trial court’s determination of a reasonable fee allowance.”
In re Casco Bay Lines, Inc.,
In general, the statutory factors under Section 330 and the
Johnson
factors consist of three components: (1) the quantity factor, comprised of documented time at customary billing rates; (2) the quality factor, comprised of the competency of the representation, taking into account the novelty and difficulty of the issues presented, the skill required, time constraints, and the personal qualifications of the applicant; and (3) the result factor, comprised of the actual results achieved in the case.
See In re Penn-Dixie Industries, Inc.,
It is necessary to expand briefly on the question of the “result” factor in fixing allowances of professional compensation. The standard governing allowance of fees under the former Bankruptcy Act and related Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure, which emphasized conservation of the estate and economy of administration, was replaced with one designed to be generous enough to attract professional persons of the highest ability to the practice of bankruptcy law.
See
COLLIER ON BANKRUPTCY II 330.02, at 330-4 (15th ed. 1984). Congress substituted “reasonableness” and “actual” and “necessary” for “benefits conferred” as the test for fee allowances under the Code. Hours may be reasonably and necessarily spent and, therefore, be compensable under Section 330 even though the effort did not result in a benefit to the estate.
See In re Casco Bay Lines, supra,
Reexamination of Fee Awards.
Section 331 contemplates repeated application to the Court for reimbursement and compensation, subjecting the award to amendment or modification at any time during the pendency of the bankruptcy case.
In re Callister,
DECISION
Have spoken to the issues raised by these fee applications, and identified the factors to be taken into account in making an allowance, the Court now turns to each of the applications presented for consideration. After a complete and thorough review of each application, the Court renders its decision as follows.
Application of Roe & Fowler
The attorneys’ and paraprofessional’s time claimed has been adequately documented and was actually and necessarily expended. Reasonable billing judgment has been exercised and the fees sought are comparable to those billed to and paid by clients in cases other than under Title 11. The fees shall be allowed as prayed. The largest item among Roe & Fowler’s expenses is $2,101.08 for “travel expenses.” The Court finds that there is insufficient documentation to support reimbursement of $2,101.08 for these expenditures. The Court should not be required to speculate about the nature of such entries. Upon submission of a supplemental application containing a detailed list of applicant’s travel expenses, the Court will make an appropriate award.
Application of Teitelbaum & Gamberg
There has been no demonstrable benefit to the estate as a result of the prepetition services rendered by Teitel-baum and Gamberg on behalf of the unofficial creditors’ committee. The prepetition services for which compensation is sought were undertaken for the benefit of sixteen creditors only and for the purpose of averting bankruptcy. Such services are not compensable from the debtor’s estate and will be disallowed. As to the remainder of the application, the Court finds that the amount requested would not have been excessive if comparable services had been rendered to private clients. The fees and costs as requested by the attorneys are found to have been actually and necessarily incurred as well as reasonable, and, with one exception, they shall be allowed. Reimbursement of $128.71 for “miscellaneous” expenses shall be considered upon submission of a supplemental application containing an itemized list of those expenditures.
Application of Ernst & Whinney
The Court finds the time records of Ernst & Whinney to be adequate and its fees and costs to have been actually and necessarily incurred. However, Ernst & Whinney declined to respond to the debt- or’s objection that it represents an interest adverse to the estate. The Court shall require the accountant for the creditors’ committee to do so. All fees and costs sought shall be denied at this time, and Ernst & Whinney is directed to submit a memorandum of points and authorities and/or one or more affidavits addressing the conflicts of interest issue raised by the debtor within twenty (20) days and schedule a hearing on notice to parties in interest within thirty (30) days of this memorandum opinion.
*589 Application of Arthur Young & Company
The prepetition accounting services and costs rendered to the debtor by Arthur Young and Company are not compensable as an administrative expense under any provision of the Bankruptcy Code. Arthur Young and Company has an unsecured claim without priority for such services and nothing more. The Court finds that its postpetition services were actually and necessarily incurred and the amounts sought are reasonable. Costs are sufficiently documented and would be allowable except for $371 for “[e]mployee expenses associated with normal business expense reimbursement policies,” which requires further explanation.
Arthur Young & Company’s failure to disclose its status as a prepetition creditor in its application for employment was contrary to the requirements of Bankruptcy Rule 2014, and the appointment itself was improper because the accountant was not a disinterested person. Had Arthur Young & Company disclosed its disqualifying affiliation with the debtor and waived its pre-petition claim in the application for employment, it would be unnecessary to consider denial of all fees and costs as a sanction under Section 328(c). In order to give Arthur Young & Company an opportunity to be heard on this issue, the Court shall deny all fees and costs to the accountant at this time and direct it to submit a memorandum of points and authorities within twenty (20) days and schedule a hearing on notice to parties in interest within thirty (30) days of this memorandum opinion.
CONCLUSION
The unmistakable purpose of Section 503(b) is to enable individual creditors, indenture trustees, equity security holders, unofficial committees, and custodians to recover costs and expenses for professional services of attorneys and accountants, which were reasonably incurred in aid of the administration of the estate and which inured to the benefit of the estate. The Congressional policy of encouraging nonbankruptcy workouts does not extend to allowance of fees and costs incurred in negotiating an unsuccessful workout to be allowed as an administrative priority expense.
The principle of the Randolph case has neither been departed from nor enlarged upon by the Bankruptcy Code. It establishes the right of a prepetition custodian, to the extent he has preserved assets and conferred a benefit upon the estate, to seek allowance from the bankruptcy court for expenses incurred when bankruptcy supersedes. It does not appear from any of the facts before the Court that the activities of the unofficial committee and its attorneys resulted in substantial benefits to the bankruptcy estate. The prepetition legal services rendered to the unofficial creditors’ committee were for the benefit of the members of the committee and did not confer a benefit on the debtor’s estate. Thus, they are not compensable from funds of the estate. Likewise, the prepetition accounting services rendered to the debtor by Arthur Young & Company cannot be allowed as an administrative claim.
Congress intended that market rates would govern bankruptcy fee decisions. This was a deliberate break from the arbitrary limits placed on allowances by some courts. Section 330 must be construed in the light of this Congressional intent. When attorneys and other professionals from out of state practice before this Court and seek allowances of compensation and reimbursement of expenses from the debt- or’s estate, they may be allowed their customary billing rates.
The Court finds that the requests for allowance of compensation for postpetition services rendered by Teitelbaum & Gam-berg and Roe & Fowler are reasonable and proper under Section 330 and, except as set forth above, will allow the amounts requested as an administrative expense. A further hearing must be held to determine whether Ernst & Whinney and Arthur Young & Company have conflicts of interest in this case, and, if so, the proper remedial measure.
*590 Counsel for the debtor shall prepare and submit an appropriate Order in accordance with the foregoing within ten (10) days.
Notes
. Teitelbaum & Gamberg’s First Verified Application for Allowance of Compensation and Reimbursement of Expenses does not disclose the date upon which the $10,000 payment was made.
. The first Verified Application for Allowance of Compensation and Reimbursement of Expenses by Arthur Young & Company shows that the firm actually commenced performing accounting services on October 20, 1983.
.For every Chapter 11 filed by a commercial business entity, there are numerous nonbank-ruptcy workouts. See Hearings on S.2266 and H.R. 8200 Before the Subcomm. on Improvements in Judicial Machinery of the Senate Comm, on the Judiciary, at 582 (1978) (statement of Robert J. Grimmig, Senior Vice President, Chemical Bank).
. Report of W. LaMonte Robison, Examiner, at ¶ 19, p. 11 (Oct. 24, 1984).
. The question of allowance of prepetition fees and costs as an administrative expense seems to have been raised in a variety of contexts since the enactment of the 1867 Bankruptcy Act.
In re Chase,
. Benefit to the estate or "results obtained” has been de-emphasized for allowances under Section 330, but it lies at the heart of awards under Section 503(b)(3)(D) and (4) for making a "substantial contribution” to the case. See In re Grist, unpublished memorandum opinion at 3-4 (Bkrtcy.D.Utah, Aug. 2, 1984) (Allen, J.).
. The Chandler Act was passed by Congress on June 22, 1938, and became effective on September 22, 1938. Pub.L. 696, 52 Stat. 840 (1938).
. A general assignment involves a voluntary transfer by the debtor of his property to an assignee in trust, for the purpose of pro-rata distribution of the estate to creditors. See Treis-ter, "The Effect of Bankruptcy on the Administration Expenses of a Superseded General Assignment," 17 Bus.Law. 332 (1962). See also Utah Code Ann. §§ 6-1-1 to 6-1-20 (Repl.1982).
. While most courts and practitioners apparently interpreted
Randolph v. Scruggs
as allowing the assignee’s costs as an administrative claim, the Supreme Court seems to have considered them a lien,
i.e.,
a secured claim against specific property. For a thoughtful pre-Code discussion of the equitable lien theory of
Randolph
v.
Scruggs, see
Treister,
supra,
note 9, at 335-39.
Cf. Paine v. Archer,
.
In re Cooper,
.
In re South Bend Lumber Co.,
.
In re Stewart,
.
In re Pattee,
.
Bramble v. Brett,
.
In re Thompson,
. Bramble v. Brett, supra, note 15.
.
In re Levitt,
.
In re Heller,
. The phrase "or other person” contained in the statement of the floor managers refers only to the expenses and compensation of a superseded custodian under Section 503(b)(3)(E). The statement does not refer to Section 503(b)(3)(D) or (4). Since "custodian” is defined in Section 101(10) to mean a receiver, assignee or trustee charged with administering the debt- or's property, the floor managers may have misspoke themselves. In
In re Med General, Inc., supra,
. See text following footnote 38, infra.
. The Court stated: The most useful starting point for determining the amount of a reasonable fee is the number of hours reasonably expended on the litigation multiplied by a reasonable hourly rate. This calculation provides an objective basis on which to make an initial estimate of the value of a lawyer's services. The party seeking an award of fees should submit evidence supporting the hours worked and rates claimed. Where the documentation of hours is inadequate, the district court may reduce the award accordingly.
. This case is national in scope. The creditor mailing matrix filed with the Court reflects that Jensen-Farley Pictures has creditors in 45 States, the District of Columbia, Canada, Mexico, and England.
. The Bankruptcy Court in Wilson Foods applied the "unusual circumstances” exception recognized in Ramos to allow counsel for various professionals to charge the rates they normally charged clients in their respective regions of the country. In holding that the market-based standard of Section 330 includes a national market in certain cases, this Court expresses no opinion as to the applicability of the "unusual circumstances” exception to the rule of Ramos v. Lamm, supra.
.Elsewhere this court has had occasion to examine conflicts of interest at substantial length.
See In re Roberts,
.While the practice of bankruptcy law is complex, the court is desirous of, and administration of justice requires, a system open to competent members of the general bar and the elimination of even the appearance of a “closed shop.”
See Matter of Allard,
. A request for an allowance of interim compensation and reimbursement of expenses is by application to the bankruptcy court and not by motion, petition, or filing a proof of claim.
See
11 U.S.C. § 331;
In re Taylor Transport Inc.,
. Pleadings and papers which require verification or an affidavit are (1) petitions, schedules, statements of financial affairs, and Chapter 13 statements and amendments (Bankruptcy Rule 1008); (2) lists of multiple proxies and statements of facts and circumstances regarding their acquisition (Bankruptcy Rule 2006(e)); (3) *582 motions for ex parte relief from the automatic stay (Bankruptcy Rule 4001(c)); (4) motions for temporary restraining orders (Bankruptcy Rule 7065); and (5) emergency motions on appeal (Bankruptcy Rule 8011). See Advisory Committee Note, Bankruptcy Rule 9011(b).
. The larger, longer and more complex the case, "the greater the possibility that overstatements will creep into the figures, no matter how carefully they are compiled.”
Desimone v. Industrial Bio-Test Laboratories,
. The fee application should state the number of hours excluded and the reason for the exclusion.
See National Association of Concerned Veterans v. Secretary of Defense,
.
In re Sapolin Paints, Inc.,
. Id.
.
In re City Planners & Developers, Inc., supra,
.
In re Coconut Grove Bayshore, Inc.,
.
In re Southern Industrial Banking Corporation,
.
In re Citizens Mortgage Investment Trust,
.
In re Four Star Terminals, Inc.,
. The approval of attorneys’ fees in bankruptcy cases is considered to be essentially judicial in nature, even though the application is unopposed. See Hearings on S.2266 and H.R. 8200 Before the Subcomm. on Improvements in Judicial Machinery of the Senate Comm, on the Judiciary, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 482 (1977) (Prepared Statement of Harold Marsh, Jr., Chairman, Commission on the Bankruptcy Laws of the United States).
. Most fee applications are unopposed. Attorneys have been traditionally reluctant to question another attorney's fee application.
See In re Underground Utilities Construction Co., Inc.,
. One court has noted that the Bankruptcy Code carries with it the inherent danger that attorneys may come to be regarded as "hourly employees,” rather than professionals whose compensation is based on a number of factors.
See In re Gloria Manufacturing Corp.,
. Hours are not reasonably spent if they are excessive,
i.e.,
too much time is devoted to a particular matter, or duplicative,
i.e.,
the same matters are covered at different times or by more than one attorney.
Gingras v. Lloyd,
