Hassell v. BirdHassell v. Bird
In this case, we consider the validity of a court order, entered upon a default judgment in a defamation case, insofar as it directs appellant Yelp Inc. (Yelp) to remove certain consumer reviews posted on its website. Yelp was not named as a defendant in the underlying lawsuit, brought by plaintiffs Dawn Hassell and the Hassell Law Group, and did not participate in the judicial proceedings that led to the default
Yelp argues that, to the extent the removal order would impose upon it a duty to remove these reviews, the directive violates its right to due process under the federal and state Constitutions because it was issued without proper notice and an opportunity to be heard. Yelp also asserts that this aspect of the
The Court of Appeal rejected Yelp's arguments. We reverse. The Court of Appeal erred in regarding the order to Yelp as beyond the scope of
I. FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
In June 2012, defendant Ava Bird approached the Hassell Law Group, owned by Dawn Hassell (who is hereinafter referred to as Hassell), to represent her in a personal injury matter. That August, Bird and the law firm entered into a representation agreement. After e-mail exchanges and communication difficulties led Hassell to conclude that Bird was unhappy with the firm's performance, the Hassell Law Group withdrew from representation in September 2012. Hassell notified Bird of this decision via e-mail.
Several months later, on January 28, 2013, a one-star (out of five) review of the Hassell Law Group appeared on Yelp. This website, available to anyone with Internet access, provides a forum for reviews and ratings of businesses and other entities. Individuals with Yelp accounts author the reviews and issue the ratings. Individual reviews and ratings appear on the Yelp website together with the author's Yelp user name and location. A reviewed business may post a public response to a user review; this response will appear directly below the review on Yelp's website. Yelp also combines individual ratings into an aggregate rating for each business.
The one-star review was posted by Yelp user "Birdzeye B." from Los Angeles, California.
It provided in full (with the spelling, spacing, capitalization, and punctuation in this and all other quoted reviews per the originals) as follows:
"well, here is another business that doesn't even deserve one star.
basically, dawn hassell made a bad situation much worse for me. she told me she could help with my personal injury case from falling through a floor, then reneged on the case because her mom had a broken leg, or something like that, and that the insurance company was too much for her to handle. and all of this after i met with her office (not her personally, she was nowhere to be found) signed paperwork to 'hire' them and gained confidence in her office (due mostly to yelp reviews) so, in all fairness, i have to share my experience so others can be forewarned. she will probably not do anything for you, except make your situation worse. in fact, after signing all the paperwork with her office, like a broken record, they repeated 'DO NOT TALK TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY' over and over and over. and over and over. so I honored that and did not speak to them. but the hassell law group didn't ever speak with the insurance company either, neglecting their said responsibilities and not living up to their own legal contract! nor did they bother to communicate with me, the client or the insurance company AT ALL. then, she dropped the case because of her mother and seeming lack of work ethic. (a good attorney wont do this, in fact, they aren't supposed to) to save your case, STEER CLEAR OF THIS LAW FIRM! and research around to find a law firm with a proven track record of success, a good work ethic, competence and long term client satisfaction. there are many in the bay area and with some diligent smart interviewing, you can find a competent attorney, but this wont be one of them."
Hassell believed Bird to be the author of this review, and sent her an e-mail. Hassell wrote Bird that "[y]ou are certainly free to write a review about your experience and provide constructive feedback. But slandering someone and intentionally trying to damage their business and reputation is illegal." Disputing statements in the review, Hassell requested that Bird remove or revise it, and wrote that "[i]f you are unwilling to talk to me or respond, I will assume you don't intend to work this out [with] me directly and I will retain a defamation attorney this week to file a legal action against you for slander and defamation." Bird responded with a lengthy e-mail of her own, in which she stated that Hassell would "have to accept the permanent, honest review [I] have given you."
Shortly thereafter, on February 6, 2013, another one-star review of the Hassell Law Group was posted on Yelp. This review was from the user "J.D.," identified as hailing from Alameda, California. It provided in full as follows: "Did not like the fact that they charged me their client to make COPIES, send out FAXES, POSTAGE, AND FOR MAKING PHONE CALLS about my case!!! Isn't that your job. That's just ridiculous!!! They Deducted all those expenses out of my settlement."
On April 10, 2013, plaintiffs filed suit against Bird in San Francisco Superior Court. The verified complaint alleged that Bird wrote both of the
After several attempts at personal service failed, plaintiffs effected substitute service. On April 17, 2013, the summons and complaint were left with another individual at the address where Bird was believed to reside. In November 2013, with Bird not yet having appeared in the case, plaintiffs moved for entry of a default judgment. In the interim, "Birdzeye B." had posted on Yelp an "update" of her review of the Hassell Law Group. This update (which henceforth will be described as a review), dated April 29, 2013, provided as follows:
"here is an update on this review.
dawn hassell has filed a lawsuit against me over this review I posted on yelp! she has tried to threaten, bully, intimidate, harass me into removing the review! she actually hired another bad attorney to fight this. lol! well, looks like my original review has turned out to be truer than ever! avoid this business like the plague folks! and the staff at YELP has stepped up and is defending my right to post a review. once again, thanks YELP! and I have reported her actions to the Better Business Bureau as well, so they have a record of how she handles business. another good resource is the BBB, by the way."
In a declaration filed in support of the request for a default judgment, Hassell explained that she had connected the January 2013 review to Bird "[b]ased on the poster's user name being similar to Ms. Bird's real name and the details such as 'falling through a floor.' " Hassell also averred that the review from "J.D." had been written by Bird. She further related that since the first of the challenged reviews had been posted, the Hassell Law Group had seen a significant decrease in user activity on Yelp that suggested interest in the firm, and that as a result of this review, its overall Yelp rating had dropped to 4.5 stars.
A "prove-up" evidentiary hearing was held
on January 14, 2014.
2
Hassell was sworn as a witness and gave testimony at this session. After the hearing,
Yelp was served with a copy of the default judgment later that month.
4
In response, Yelp's in-house counsel wrote Hassell a letter that identified several perceived deficiencies with the judgment and removal order. The letter accordingly advised that "Yelp sees no reason at this time to remove the reviews at issue." The letter added that Yelp reserved the right to revisit this decision if it were to receive additional facts responsive to its concerns. Hassell was told that if an action were pursued against Yelp premised on its publication of the reviews, Yelp would "promptly seek dismissal of such action and its attorneys' fees under California's anti-SLAPP law." (See
The next month, Yelp filed a motion to set aside and vacate the judgment. In its supporting brief, Yelp argued that to the extent the order to remove the posts was aimed at it, the directive violated Yelp's due process rights, exceeded the scope of relief requested in the complaint, and was barred by
The superior court denied the motion to set aside and vacate the judgment. In its order denying the motion, the court quoted this court's generic assessment that " '[i]n matters of injunction ... it has been a common practice to make the injunction run also to classes of persons through whom the enjoined person may act, such as agents, servants, employees, aiders, abettors, etc., though not parties to the action, and this practice has always been upheld by the
courts.' " (
Ross v. Superior Court
(1977)
Yelp appealed. It reasserted on appeal that the order, to the extent that it commanded Yelp to remove the challenged reviews, violated the company's due process rights, as well as
Turning to Yelp's
The Court of Appeal nevertheless determined that
The Court of Appeal recognized that other courts (e.g.,
Kathleen R. v. City of Livermore
(2001)
The Court of Appeal thus affirmed the superior court's order denying Yelp's motion to set aside and vacate the judgment, albeit with instructions to the superior court to modify the order on remand so that it compelled only the removal of the three challenged reviews. (
Hassell v. Bird
,
supra
, 247 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1365-1366,
II. DISCUSSION
Before this court, Yelp renews the constitutional and statutory arguments it raised before the Court of Appeal. Namely, Yelp maintains that the removal order does not comport with due process insofar
as it directs Yelp to remove the three reviews at issue without affording prior notice and an opportunity to be heard. Yelp also claims that this aspect of the order violates
A.
Implementing these views,
B. Judicial Construction of
The immunity provisions within
1. Zeran
AOL claimed immunity under
The plaintiff in
Zeran
,
supra
,
( Zeran , at p. 333.) In the same vein, the court also stressed that "notice-based liability for interactive computer service providers would provide third parties with a no-cost means to create the basis for future lawsuits. Whenever one was displeased with the speech of another party conducted over an interactive computer service, the offended party could simply 'notify' the relevant service provider, claiming the information to be legally defamatory." ( Ibid . )
2. Kathleen R.
Other courts have followed
Zeran
in adopting a broad view of
Among the decisions of the Courts of Appeal construing
The plaintiff in
Kathleen R.
,
supra
,
The court in
Kathleen R.
,
supra
,
3. Barrett
In the one prior occasion we have had to construe
In
Barrett
,
supra
,
In vacating an order entered by the superior court, which had granted the defendant's motion to strike under the anti-SLAPP statute,
the Court of Appeal in
Barrett
adopted the same narrow reading of the word "publisher" within
We reversed. Our unanimous majority opinion in
Barrett
,
supra
,
Our analysis in
Barrett
,
supra
,
C. Analysis
In construing
Our analysis of the statute begins with an uncontroversial observation: Yelp could have promptly sought and received
Bennett v. Google, LLC
(D.C. Cir. 2018)
(See
Kathleen R.
,
supra
,
The question here is whether a different result should obtain because plaintiffs made the tactical decision not to name Yelp as a defendant. Put another way, we must decide whether plaintiffs' litigation strategy allows them to accomplish indirectly what Congress has clearly forbidden them to achieve directly. We believe the answer is no.
Even though plaintiffs did not name Yelp as a defendant, their action ultimately treats it as "the publisher or speaker of ... information provided by another information content provider." (
In his dissent, Justice Cuéllar argues that even if the injunction cannot on its face command Yelp to remove the reviews, the removal order nevertheless could run to Yelp
through Bird
under an aiding and abetting theory premised on conduct that remains inherently that of a publisher. (See dis. opn. of Cuéllar, J.,
post
, 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 904, 913-915, 921-924, 420 P.3d at pp. 807, 815-816, 822-824.) We disagree. As applied to such behavior, Justice Cuéllar's approach would simply substitute one end-run around
These interests are squarely implicated in this case. An injunction like the removal order plaintiffs obtained can impose substantial burdens on an Internet intermediary. Even if it would be mechanically simple to implement such an order, compliance still could interfere with and undermine the viability of an online platform. (See
Noah v. AOL Time Warner, Inc.
,
supra
,
To summarize, we conclude that in light of Congress's designs with respect to
Perhaps the dissenters' greatest error is that they fail to fully grasp how plaintiffs' maneuver, if accepted, could subvert a statutory scheme intended to promote online discourse and industry self-regulation. What plaintiffs did in attempting to
deprive Yelp of immunity was creative, but it was not difficult. If plaintiffs' approach were recognized as legitimate, in the future other plaintiffs could be expected to file lawsuits pressing a broad array of demands for injunctive relief against compliant or default-prone original sources of allegedly tortious online content.
Injunctions entered incident to the entry of judgments in these cases then would be interposed against providers or users of interactive computer services who could not be sued directly, due to
For almost two decades, courts have been relying on
Even as we conclude that Yelp is entitled to immunity, we echo
Barrett
,
supra
,
On this last point, we observe that plaintiffs still have powerful, if uninvoked, remedies available to them. Our decision today leaves plaintiffs' judgment intact insofar as it imposes obligations on
Bird
. Even though neither plaintiffs nor Bird can force Yelp to remove the challenged reviews, the judgment requires Bird to undertake, at a minimum, reasonable efforts to secure the removal of her posts. A failure to comply with a lawful court order is a form of civil contempt (
III. DISPOSITION
For the foregoing reasons,
WE CONCUR:
CHIN, J.
CORRIGAN, J.
CONCURRING OPINION BY KRUGER, J.
Kruger, J.
I concur in the judgment. I agree with the plurality opinion that the injunction against Yelp Inc. (Yelp) is invalid, but I begin with a more basic reason. Yelp is not a party to this litigation, and the courts' power to order people to do (or to refrain from doing) things is generally limited to the parties in the case. Although there are qualifications to the rule, there is no exception that permits the sort of order we confront here: an order directing a nonparty website operator to remove third party user content just in case the user defaults on her own legal obligation to remove it. Before Yelp can be compelled to remove content from its website, the company is entitled to its own day in court.
The plurality opinion instead concludes the injunction is invalid because it violates
A.
Although the plurality opinion begins its analysis with the special immunity conferred on interactive computer service providers in
Consistent with this principle, courts have long observed a general rule against entering injunctions against nonparties. An injunction is a " 'personal decree' " that " 'operates on the person of the defendant by commanding him to do or desist from certain action' " as a remedy for violations or threatened violations of the law. (
Comfort v. Comfort
(1941)
Judge Learned Hand, in an oft-cited statement of the rule, explained its logic in this way: "[N]o court can make a decree which will bind any one but
As all these authorities have recognized, while the law generally forbids courts from naming nonparties, the law does in certain circumstances permit a court to
enforce
an injunction against a nonparty. Without such a rule, enjoined parties could "play jurisdictional 'shell games' "; that is, they could "nullify an injunctive decree by carrying out prohibited acts with or through nonparties to the original proceeding." (
Conrad
,
supra
,
But under this general rule, while nonparties may be barred from acting on behalf of, or in concert with, a defendant in violating an injunction, they may not be barred from acting independently. The "whole effect" of the practice, we explained in
Berger
, "is simply to make the injunction effectual against all through whom the
enjoined party
may act, and to prevent the prohibited action by persons acting in concert with or in support of the claim of the
enjoined party
, who are in fact
his
aiders and abetters." (
Berger
,
supra
,
B.
In the litigation underlying this appeal, plaintiffs sued defendant Ava Bird for posting allegedly defamatory reviews on Yelp. Bird did not respond, and after a prove-up hearing (
When Yelp was served, it promptly filed a motion to set aside and vacate the judgment.
It argued, among other things, that the issuance of the injunction against it violated both due process and
The Court of Appeal's reasoning reflects a misunderstanding of the scope of the trial court's power to enjoin a nonparty. The common law rule described in
Berger
would have permitted the court to forbid Yelp and others from acting in concert with Bird, or on Bird's behalf, to violate the court's injunction against Bird. This is what it means to bind individuals "with or through" whom the enjoined party acts. (
Conrad
,
supra
,
Plaintiffs, as well as Justice Liu, argue that the injunction naming Yelp is valid because it merely makes explicit that Yelp, as an entity "through" whom Bird acts, is obligated to carry out the injunction on her behalf. (Dis. opn. of Liu, J.,
post
, 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 899-901, 420 P.3d at pp. 803-805.) But the
trial court made no finding that Bird acts, or has ever acted, "through" Yelp in the sense relevant under
Berger
, nor does the record contain any such indication; we have no facts before us to suggest that Yelp is Bird's "agent" or "servant." (
Berger
,
supra
,
The nature of the injunction, as well as the relationship between Yelp and Bird, distinguishes this case from
Ross v. Superior Court
(1977)
The Court of Appeal appeared to read
Ross
to mean that a trial court has broad power to enjoin a nonparty with the practical ability to "effectuate" an injunction entered against a party. (
Hassell
,
supra
,
C.
Although plaintiffs, like the Court of Appeal, rely largely on a rule concerning a trial court's power to forbid parties from nullifying an injunctive decree by carrying out prohibited acts through nonparties, their real concern does not appear to be that Bird is using or will use Yelp as a pawn to play "jurisdictional 'shell games.' " (
Conrad
,
supra
,
The concern is a substantial one, but the usual remedy for such concerns is to sue for a determination of the third party's legal obligation to do as plaintiffs wish. Plaintiffs have identified no instance in which a court has upheld the issuance of an injunction against a nonparty under remotely similar circumstances. Perhaps the closest plaintiffs have come is
U.S. v. Hall
,
supra
,
D.
So far, I have described common ground with Justice Cuéllar's dissenting opinion. Justice Cuéllar does not defend the trial court's decision to issue an injunction against Yelp in a proceeding to which it was not a party, and he would vacate the Court of Appeal's judgment upholding that order. (Dis. opn. of Cuéllar, J.,
post
, 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 921-925, 420 P.3d at pp. 822-824.) Justice Cuéllar would, however, remand for consideration of whether the injunction
against Bird
can be enforced against Yelp because the company has aided and abetted, or otherwise acted in concert with, Bird in her violation of the court's injunction. (
Id.
at p. 924,
I agree with Justice Cuéllar that this is the pertinent standard under
Berger
and related cases, but I do not believe a remand is warranted to consider whether Yelp has aided and abetted Bird's noncompliance with the court's
To the extent the question might arise in the future, however, I offer a cautionary note. The difficulties with the trial court's aiding and abetting analysis extend beyond matters of timing and procedure. The trial court in this case reasoned, among other things, that Yelp is aiding and abetting Bird's violation of the injunction simply by failing to remove Bird's reviews from the website. But this establishes only that Yelp has not stepped forward to act despite Bird's noncompliance. That is not aiding and abetting. (See
Blockowicz
,
supra
,
II.
In my view, these basic common law principles suffice to decide the case. The plurality opinion, however, decides the matter on a different ground. It holds that the trial court's order directing Yelp to remove the reviews from the website is barred by Yelp's statutory immunity under section 230. Although I believe it is unnecessary to reach the section 230 question, I agree with the plurality opinion's conclusion given the particular circumstances of this case: Even if it were permissible to issue an injunction against Yelp solely because it once permitted Bird to post her reviews and has the ability to remove them, the proceedings would be barred by section 230.
Two subsections of section 230 form the basis of the immunity Yelp claims in this case. First, section 230, subsection (c)(1) provides that "[n]o provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." Second, section 230, subsection (e)(3) provides that "[n]o cause of action may be brought and no liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is inconsistent with this section." Together, "[t]hese provisions have been widely and consistently interpreted to confer broad immunity against defamation liability for those who use the Internet to
publish information that originated from another source." (
Barrett v. Rosenthal
(2006)
In an early, influential discussion of section 230, the Fourth Circuit interpreted the provision to forbid any legal obligation that "would place a computer service provider in a publisher's role." (
Zeran v. America Online, Inc.
(4th Cir. 1997)
Distilling the available authorities, section 230 immunity applies to an effort to bring a cause of action or impose civil liability on a computer service provider that derives from its status as a publisher or speaker of third party content. This reading of the statute is consistent with the policies articulated in influential cases interpreting section 230 immunity such as Zeran and reiterated in the plurality opinion: Section 230 forbids a cause of action or the imposition of liability when the effect is to impose liability for, or draw the provider into litigation to defend, its past editorial judgments (or lack thereof) in permitting third party postings. But section 230 does not bar a cause of action solely because the result might be a court order requiring the provider, as the publisher of the posting in question, to take steps to remove it.
In each of the cases cited in the plurality opinion, the court applied section 230 to bar the filing of a lawsuit seeking to hold an interactive computer service responsible for offending posts written by a third party. This case concerns a different scenario. In this case, plaintiffs have filed no lawsuit against Yelp and have pursued no substantive claim against it. The injunction, as narrowed to Bird's past reviews, on its face does not seek to draw Yelp into litigation to second guess or penalize Yelp for its initial decision to post Bird's reviews, despite their defamatory content. As plaintiffs emphasize, the injunction instead requires only that, now that the reviews have been found by a court to be defamatory, Yelp remove the reviews. The injunction of course recognizes that Yelp is-as a matter of fact-the publisher of Bird's reviews; the reviews cannot come down without Yelp's cooperation. But that is not the pertinent question. The question is instead whether the injunction necessarily holds Yelp legally responsible for, or otherwise authorizes litigation against Yelp solely because of, its editorial choices.
As the case comes to us, I agree with the plurality opinion that the answer to that question is yes. The justification plaintiffs
offer for the issuance of the injunction is that Bird acted with Yelp's permission in posting her reviews on its website, and Yelp has the ability to remove them even if Bird chooses not to. This means, as the plurality opinion says, that plaintiffs are proceeding
I would, however, stop there; I venture no opinion as to how section 230 might apply to other take-down orders based on different justifications. I understand the plurality opinion's application of section 230 to be similarly limited. The plurality opinion "recognize[s] that not all legal duties owed by Internet intermediaries necessarily treat them as the publishers of third party content, even when these obligations are in some way associated with their publication of this material"; it instead holds that, on the record before us, "Yelp is inherently being treated as the publisher of the challenged reviews, and it has not engaged in conduct that would take it outside section 230's purview in connection with the removal order." (Plur. opn.,
ante
,
III.
I, like my colleagues, am sympathetic to plaintiffs' dilemma. Plaintiffs have proved to the satisfaction of the trial court that Bird's critical Yelp
DISSENTING OPINION BY LIU, J.
LIU, J.
The court expresses "sympathy" for those who have been defamed on the Internet, including plaintiffs Dawn Hassell and the Hassell Law Group, who won a lawful judgment against defendant Ava Bird for defamatory reviews that Bird posted on Yelp. (Plur. opn.,
ante
, 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 887-888,
This "dilemma" (conc. opn. of Kruger, J.,
ante
, 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 897-890,
These concerns are not present in this case. No one has burdened Yelp with defending against liability for potentially defamatory posts. Here, the trial court ordered Yelp to remove postings that have been
already adjudicated
to be defamatory. Hassell sued Bird, not Yelp, and the litigation did not require Yelp to incur expenses to defend its editorial judgments or any of its business practices. The trial court ruled that Bird had defamed Hassell on Yelp, and it directed Yelp to help effectuate the remedy. Yelp's conduct as a speaker or publisher was never at issue in Hassell's lawsuit, and the trial court imposed no liability on Yelp for such conduct. Instead, the trial court enjoined Yelp as part of the remedy for
Bird's
tortious conduct toward Hassell. A company in Yelp's position may face burdens associated with determining the "validity or scope" of a removal order or "the manner in which it is implemented." (Plur. opn.,
ante
,
As for Yelp's due process claim, the Court of Appeal properly clarified that the question here is "whether the trial court was without power to issue the removal order
in the first instance
." (
Hassell v. Bird
(2016)
But "[g]eneral propositions do not decide concrete cases" (
Lochner v. New York
(1905)
In saying that the removal order enjoins Yelp from engaging in "independent conduct," Justice Kruger strays from the meaning of that term as used in the cases she cites. (See
Additive Controls & Measurement Sys. v. Flowdata
(Fed.Cir. 1996)
This court long ago observed that "it has been a common practice to make the injunction run also to classes of persons through whom the enjoined party may act, such as agents, servants, employees, aiders, abetters, etc., though not parties to the action, and this practice has always been upheld by the courts, and any of such parties violating its terms with notice thereof are held guilty of contempt for disobedience of the judgment." (
Berger v. Superior Court
(1917)
If Bird had gone to the town square every day to shout defamatory comments about Hassell, or if Bird had made those comments to 50 friends, it is doubtful this case would be here today. Instead, Bird posted a review on Yelp, a website that attracts tens of millions of visitors every month. Yelp is an interactive service provider dedicated to inviting people like Bird to post reviews of local businesses and inviting users to search, sort, and read those reviews (all while exposing website visitors to advertisements). Yelp formats the reviews, makes the reviews searchable, and aggregates reviews of each business into a rating from one to five stars. Yelp's Terms of Service make clear to reviewers that "[w]e may use Your Content in a number of different ways, including publicly displaying it, reformatting it, incorporating it into advertisements and other works, creating derivative works from it, promoting it, distributing it, and allowing others to do the same in connection with their own websites and media platforms." The Terms of Service also state that Yelp owns "visual interfaces, interactive features, graphics, design, compilation, including, but not limited to, our compilation of User Content and other Site Content,
computer code, products, software, aggregate user review ratings,
The treatment of user comments by other websites may be more passive, and I do not suggest that any website that posts user comments may be subject to a removal order like the one here. But Yelp's relationship with reviewers like Bird is not passive. Even if Yelp was not Bird's agent or servant (cf.
Ross v. Superior Court
(1977)
Justice Kruger suggests that whether Bird acted through Yelp in a manner that made Yelp a proper subject of the injunction is an issue on which Yelp had a right to notice and an opportunity to be heard before the injunction issued. (Conc. opn. of Kruger, J.,
ante
,
Again,
Alemite
is instructive. After obtaining an injunction "against John, 'his agents, employees, associates and confederates,' enjoining them from infringing, or 'aiding or abetting or in any way contributing to the infringement,' " the aggrieved plaintiff initiated an action "to punish Joseph for contempt, asserting that he was
bound by the decree" as a nonparty within the ambit of the injunction's terms. (
Alemite
,
supra
,
In
Ross
,
supra
,
The only difference here is that the injunction names Yelp instead of using a general phrase to refer to nonparties (e.g., "Bird's agents, employees, associates, confederates, aiders and abettors") as in Alemite and Ross . But that makes no difference to the due process inquiry. Yelp may yet argue in a contempt proceeding that its relationship to Bird's tortious conduct was not sufficient to justify the trial court's removal order. But if that argument were to fail, the fact that Yelp-like the supervisors in Ross -had no notice or opportunity to be heard before the trial court issued the injunction would not preclude a finding of contempt. Such a finding would necessarily mean the injunction was valid when issued.
Finally, the nature of Yelp's relationship to Bird that makes Yelp a proper subject of the injunction is not that of a "publisher or speaker" for purposes of
The Court of Appeal got it right: Yelp has no statutory immunity from the removal order, and the removal order directed at Yelp does not violate due process of law. I would affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeal.
DISSENTING OPINION BY CUÉLLAR, J.
CUÉLLAR, J.
Even-indeed, perhaps especially-in a society that values free expression, people expect courts and statutes to offer them minimal protections from disparaging misrepresentations or abject lies deliberately circulated to the public. Today's plurality opinion does not. Despite clear evidence that the federal Communications Decency Act of 1996 (
In fact, the question this case presents is as novel as it is important-one undecided by this court or any other. We must resolve whether
Yet the plurality opinion's answer to this question follows almost entirely from its analysis of
To the extent the plurality opinion maintains that
To provide the nuanced analysis necessary for resolution of the question before us, we identify the circumstances under which a California court may properly enjoin an interactive service provider. A California court has such power if it is wielded appropriately and in the right circumstances. Even in the context of this case, Justice Liu's opinion posits an injunction might be properly enforced against an interactive service provider. (See dis. opn. of Liu, J.,
ante
, 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 902-903, 420 P.3d at pp. 805-806.) And as Justice Kruger explains,
We also contemplate a different situation in our analysis-one specifically raised by Yelp before the Court of Appeal and in its petition for review. Our analysis addresses whether the injunction, issued against Ava Bird and directing her to remove her defamatory posts from Yelp.com, may run to Yelp. We conclude that, under proper conditions, it may. Although the trial court in this case did not make sufficiently clear findings supporting the conclusion that Yelp acted as an agent of or conspirator with Bird, or aided and abetted her, circumstances may indeed arise where a nonparty interactive service provider is found to have developed such a close entanglement of interests-based on the provider's behavior before the injunction, and having received sufficient notice and opportunity to participate in the litigation.
What this case does
not
implicate is the kind of situation where
In pressing its argument to the contrary-that courts effectively have no power to affect what information an Internet platform posts-Yelp raises a variety of procedural and constitutional concerns. We
take these concerns seriously, because fair adjudication and due process protections depend on an opportunity to be heard before a court for parties whose interests are at stake. But after careful review and reflection on applicable California and federal law, we do not believe Yelp offers a persuasive argument why the trial court is powerless to order removal of posted information by an interactive service provider that aids and abets the underlying violation. We also affirm a long-standing principle of California law that permits an injunction to run to a nonparty, where it has aided, abetted, or acted in concert with or support of the enjoined party to violate the terms of the injunction. We disagree with the plurality opinion's apparent assertion that
I.
Dawn L. Hassell and the Hassell Law Group (collectively, Hassell) filed suit against their former client, Ava Bird, on April 10, 2013. They alleged that Bird posted "factually inaccurate and defamatory remarks" about Hassell on Yelp.com. Although Yelp was not named as a defendant in Hassell's lawsuit, Hassell sent copies of the complaint to Yelp via fax and e-mail on May 15, 2013. In their prayer for relief, Hassell sought damages and injunctive relief prohibiting Bird from continuing to defame Hassell as well as removal of every defamatory review Bird published about Hassell from Yelp's website and anywhere else on the Internet.
The superior court granted Hassell a default judgment against Bird, awarding over $550,000 in damages and an injunction requiring Bird to remove the defamatory reviews about Hassell from Yelp.com and anywhere else they appeared on the Internet. The default judgment entered in favor of Hassell on January 14, 2014, stated: "Plaintiffs' Request for Injunctive Relief is Granted. Defendant AVA BIRD is ordered to remove each and every defamatory review published or caused to be published by her about plaintiffs HASSELL LAW GROUP and DAWN HASSELL from Yelp.com and from anywhere else they appear on the internet within 5 business days of the date of the court's order. [¶] Defendant AVA BIRD, her agents, officers, employees, or representatives, or anyone acting on her behalf, are further enjoined from publishing or causing to be published any written reviews, commentary, or descriptions of DAWN HASSELL or the HASSELL LAW GROUP on Yelp.com or any other internet location or website. [¶] Yelp.com is ordered to remove all reviews posted by AVA BIRD under user
names 'Birdzeye B.' and 'J.D.' attached hereto as Exhibit A and any subsequent comments of these reviewers within 7 business days of the date of the court's order." Hassell served Yelp's general counsel and its national registered agents with a copy of the judgment on January 15, 2014. Yelp's director of litigation responded by letter, asserting that Yelp would not comply with the injunction. Yelp informed Hassell that it could not be bound by the injunction, was immune from compliance with the order under
More than four months later, Yelp inserted itself into this case by filing a motion to vacate the superior court's default judgment as to Bird. On August 27, 2014, Yelp received a hearing on its motion to vacate the judgment against Bird. In its papers and at the hearing, Yelp argued that
Yelp petitioned this court for review. It asked us to resolve two related issues: whether California law authorizes an injunction to extend to a nonparty online publisher, and whether
II.
Time and again in the course of its extensive participation in this litigation, Yelp urged the court to embrace a specific reading of
Yelp's own interpretation of
The title of
By its terms,
There's no such codicil. Nor does Yelp even face "liability" here at all. (See
So liability in this context is best understood as a type of financial obligation, such as the responsibility to pay damages arising from a successfully-litigated tort suit. This conclusion is bolstered by our own decisions, together with cases from other jurisdictions and the history of the statute at issue that liability in this context is essentially a type of financial obligation. (
Id
. at p. 1055 [defining "tortious liability" as "redressable by an action for compensatory, unliquidated damages" and in some cases "by extracompensatory or punitive damages"].) As the plurality opinion acknowledges, in
Barrett
, this court explained that "Congress intended to create a blanket immunity from tort liability for online republication of third party content" (
Barrett
,
supra
,
All of which underscores why it is a contrast between apples and oranges-or apples and Oreos, for that matter-to compare a defendant's explicit targeting by a civil lawsuit with a person or entity's remedial responsibility to avoid helping others engage in prohibited conduct. A defendant to a state law cause of action may be subject to an adverse judgment triggering a responsibility to provide monetary or equitable relief to the plaintiff, and may
incur litigation expenses to defend itself. In contrast, an entity that has not been sued is required only to refrain from engaging in prohibited actions. Yelp has not been sued, and its only responsibility in light of the judgment and injunction against Bird is to avoid violating that court order.
Given the plurality opinion's embrace of an approach to
To reach our limited holding in
Barrett
, we weighed the meaning of
Barrett
clarified that a plaintiff aggrieved by defamatory speech must file its cause of action against the original speaker. We instructed that the proper procedure to address defamation in Internet publications is for plaintiffs "to pursue the originator of a defamatory Internet publication" and observed that "further expansion of liability must await congressional action." (
Barrett
,
supra
,
In
Barrett
we found
(
Barrett
,
supra
,
This conclusion fits with what we held in
Barrett
. Congress's purpose was "to create a blanket immunity from tort liability for online republication of third party content." (
Barrett
,
supra
,
Yelp and the plurality opinion are left to rely on nonbinding case law from other jurisdictions-addressing markedly distinct circumstances-to support their strained interpretation of
Yelp and the plurality opinion also cite
Barnes v. Yahoo!, Inc.
(9th Cir. 2009)
Plaintiff Barnes's ex-boyfriend created and posted fake online profiles of Barnes on a website run by Yahoo. The profiles featured
naked photographs and solicitations to engage in sexual intercourse. (
Barnes
,
supra
,
The Ninth Circuit first explained that no provision of
Neither description of this test from
Barnes
carries the day for Yelp.
Barnes
's assessment was limited to a claim filed against a provider and conceived of
What the test in
Barnes
treats as critical is whether the
defendant's
acts relate to the
defendant's
status or conduct as a publisher or speaker. Yelp suggests this test should be manipulated to ask whether the duty Yelp (
a nonparty
, and not a defendant) violated derives from Yelp's status or conduct as a publisher or speaker. This reformulation of the
Barnes
test does nothing to advance Yelp's position. Yelp's duty is not the result of its status or acts as a publisher. Yelp's duty is to refrain from violating the injunction or assisting Bird in evading the injunction. (See
Barnes
,
supra
,
Yelp also claims the Court of Appeal misread
The plurality opinion posits that the trial court's order overrules Yelp's decision to post the defamatory review and is therefore barred by
The plurality opinion acknowledges that even under its reading of
Yelp and its supportive amici curiae cite other nonbinding cases to press the case for Yelp's complete immunity under
Nowhere in
Kathleen R.
addressed state law claims filed against an interactive service provider seeking injunctive relief and damages. Relying on
Nor does Yelp or the plurality opinion's reliance on
Medytox
compel such a conclusion. That Florida court of appeal decision addressed an action for declaratory and injunctive relief against Investorshub.com, an interactive service provider. (
Medytox
,
supra
,
The court reasoned that
What we find more instructive are practical considerations-ones consistent with the Communications Decency Act and to some extent motivated the federal statute. These remain vital as we consider the powers of a sovereign jurisdiction whose authority has not been explicitly curbed. Our proposed reading of
Instead Yelp chose to initiate legal proceedings. It did so by petitioning the court, on its own motion, to vacate a judgment against a party with whom Yelp claims it shares no interests.
2
Yelp did so in order to claim complete immunity under
The plurality opinion posits that our interpretation of
Given the range of circumstances where state law may properly impose responsibility on an entity such as Yelp without imposing "liability," we question whether it was within the ambit of congressional purpose that the statute preclude any effective remedy for people defamed or injured by Internet content. Recall that here, Bird failed to ever respond in the superior court proceedings. The record indicates that she was aware of the lawsuit addressing her posts, as evidenced by her request to the San Francisco Bar Association for mediation, but she refused to defend her speech in court or comply with the judgment or injunction. Bird is also apparently judgment proof. The underlying facts of this case are far from unique, and many aggrieved Californians may find themselves in similar circumstances. Nothing in the legislative history supports the idea, implicit in the plurality opinion's position, that Congress reasonably sought to deprive victims of defamation and other torts committed online of any effective remedy.
Our reading of
III.
Our analysis of
California's long-standing practice is to allow enforcement of injunctions against certain nonparties-and rightly so.
Berger
is the seminal case from
We have affirmed this long-standing principle of California law before. (
Ross
,
supra
, 19 Cal.3d at pp. 908-909,
Under our precedent, an injunction may run to persons through whom the enjoined party may act, such as "persons acting in concert with or in support of the claim of the
enjoined party
, who are in fact
his
aiders and abettors." (
Berger
,
supra
,
These concerns are also reflected in rule 65(d)(2) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (28 U.S.C.). It specifies that certain nonparties, "who receive actual notice" of the injunction and are "in active concert or participation" with the enjoined party may be bound by its terms. (
Ibid
.; see
Regal Knitwear
,
supra
,
So Berger , Ross , and Berry clearly establish that California courts may enforce an injunction against a nonparty. A nonparty subject to such an injunction must not only have notice of it, but must have aided, abetted, acted in collusion with or in assertion of the enjoined defendant's rights, or otherwise acted in concert with or support of the enjoined defendant to violate the injunction.
IV.
The Court of Appeal affirmed the superior court's denial of Yelp's motion vacating the default judgment against Bird. In doing so, the Court of Appeal concluded that the superior court had authority under settled principles of California law to include a provision in the injunction that ordered Yelp to effectuate the injunction against Bird by deleting her defamatory reviews from its website. (
Hassell
,
supra
,
We do not believe the Court of Appeal was wrong to conclude that Yelp's degree of notice and involvement below assuaged due process concerns. By filing and appearing in the superior court to argue its motion to vacate the default judgment, Yelp initiated a proceeding through which it had opportunity to participate and be heard. The superior court considered Yelp's motion and held a hearing on August 27, 2014. In its papers and at the hearing, Yelp argued that as an interactive service provider,
It is quite clear Yelp was able to participate and assert arguments against the entry of the injunction. Yelp did so at a motion to vacate the underlying judgment, without the initiation of any contempt proceedings, and after more than four months of inaction following the entry of the underlying judgment. Yelp's involvement at the hearing on the motion to vacate the default judgment, before it suffered any deprivation of its rights, was functionally equivalent to participation at the entry of the default judgment.
But this due process appraisal does not merge with the separate issue of what California law requires before a court imposes an injunction on a nonparty. A nonparty may indeed be enjoined where it has notice of the injunction and acts as an aider, abettor, or in concert with or in assertion of the enjoined party's rights.
Although few existing cases find an Internet platform to have acted as an aider and abettor, a range of evidence and interactions could support such a finding. For example, Yelp cites
Blockowicz
, a Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals case, to argue that its refusal to remove Bird's posts is mere "inaction" insufficient to prove it acted as an aider and abettor to Bird. We are not convinced that logic categorically protects Yelp from injunctions requiring removal of unlawful content. The
Blockowicz
court observed that the plaintiffs presented no evidence of any contact between the defendants and the website operator or manager after the injunction was issued, nor was there any indication that defendants and the employees for the website worked in concert to violate the injunction. (
Blockowicz
,
supra
,
By using algorithms to facilitate further distribution of the information in question to
a defendant's preferred audiences, for example, or providing certain financial support to the enjoined party, the provider could take action deemed for the benefit of, or to assist, that party. (See
Arista Records, LLC v. Tkach
(S.D.N.Y. 2015)
A website's willful refusal to comply with an injunction, where compliance is feasible, may also provide evidence to support a finding that the service provider aided, abetted, or acted in concert, combination, or collusion with an enjoined defendant. (See
Ross
,
supra
, 19 Cal.3d at pp. 904, fn. 4, 916,
In its order denying Yelp's motion to vacate the defamation judgment, the superior court first cited Ross and Berger to explain how injunctions can apply to nonparties under California law. The court then stated three factual findings with respect to whether Yelp aided, abetted, and acted in concert or with Bird in violation of the injunction. "First, the evidence establishes that Yelp highlighted at least one of Bird's defamatory reviews about the Hassell Law Firm on its website by featuring it as a 'Recommended Review.' "
From the hearing transcript, it is clear the superior court heard and asked questions about the evidence of Yelp's conduct to aid, abet, act in concert with or support of Bird. These questions explored Yelp's position in its papers and at oral argument, asserting that the underlying default judgment against Bird be vacated, that Bird received insufficient notice, and that Hassell failed to prove Bird authored the defamatory posts. But the superior court's order denying Yelp's motion to vacate the default judgment does not apply the law to the facts of this case with sufficient detail. For example, the superior court's finding that Yelp acted on behalf of Bird was not accompanied by an explanation of the legal basis for the superior court's conclusion. The superior court may have reasoned that under
Berger
, Yelp may be bound by the injunction because it acted "in assertion" of Bird's "rights or claims" in presenting arguments that Hassell failed to adequately serve Bird and submitted insufficient evidence that Bird created the defamatory posts. (See
Berger
,
supra
, 175 Cal. at pp. 721-722,
Whether Yelp aided, abetted, or acted in concert with or support of Bird's violation of the injunction must be assessed using the proper legal standard for an injunction to run to a nonparty, as enunciated in our precedent in
Berger
and
Ross
, and analyzed with sufficient detail. We would therefore
V.
Our society's legal commitments balance the value of free expression and a relatively unregulated Internet against the harms arising from damaging words or private images that people are not lawfully free to disseminate. To honor those commitments in this case, we must begin by properly interpreting the evocatively-named Communications Decency Act. We must apply the relevant principles of due process that guarantee parties a right to their day in court. And we must give effect to California laws allowing injunctions to be imposed on nonparties when they are aiding and abetting unlawful conduct. No one involved in this litigation or affected by our decision today deserves anything less.
To the extent the Communications Decency Act merits its name, it is because it was not meant to be-and it is not-a reckless declaration of the independence of cyberspace. Nothing in
I CONCUR:
STEWART, J. *
Subsequent undesignated statutory references are to title 47 of the United States Code.
In a matter such as the one at bar, upon entry of a default, "[t]he plaintiff thereafter may apply to the court for the relief demanded in the complaint. The court shall hear the evidence offered by the plaintiff, and shall render judgment in the plaintiff's favor for that relief, not exceeding the amount stated in the complaint, ... as appears by the evidence to be just." (
The Court of Appeal used the term "removal order" to describe only the sentence within the order that explicitly directs Yelp to remove the three reviews. We use this same term to describe the order generally.
In connection with their opposition to Yelp's motion to set aside and vacate the default judgment, plaintiffs supplied documentation indicating that in May 2013, their attorney sent Yelp a facsimile that included a copy of the complaint against Bird, as well as the January 2013 and February 2013 reviews underlying the action. Counsel's facsimile cover letter concluded with his "expect[ation]" that Yelp would "cause these two utterly false and unprivileged reviews to be removed as soon as possible."
After not appearing below, Ms. Bird has submitted an amicus curiae brief to this court. In her brief, Bird acknowledges writing the January 2013 "Birdzeye B." review, but denies authoring the February 2013 review from "J.D."
The Court of Appeal's opinion also addressed several other issues not encompassed within our grant of review. (See
Hassell v. Bird
,
supra
, 247 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1348-1354,
This modification owed to the Court of Appeal's conclusion that "to the extent the trial court additionally ordered Yelp to remove subsequent comments that Bird or anyone else might post, the removal order is an overbroad prior restraint on speech." (
Hassell v. Bird
,
supra
,
Provisions of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 different from the ones presently before the court were struck down as unconstitutional in
Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union
(1997)
The court in
Kathleen R.
,
supra
,
Barrett
,
supra
,
Although not directly pertinent to this case, we observe that in another instance where Congress became aware of procedural end-runs around
Specifically, in 2010 Congress enacted the Securing the Protection of Our Enduring and Established Constitutional Heritage Act (SPEECH Act),
To combat forum shopping and "ensure that American authors, reporters, and publishers have nationwide protection from foreign libel judgments" (Sen.Rep. No. 111-224,
supra
, at p. 2), the SPEECH Act includes provisions such as one providing that "[n]otwithstanding any other provision of Federal or State law, a domestic court shall not recognize or enforce a foreign judgment for defamation against the provider of an interactive computer service, as defined in
In arguing that
As previously noted, when the trial court denied Yelp's motion to set aside and vacate the judgment, it emphasized several facts that, in the court's opinion, indicated Yelp was aiding and abetting Bird's violation of the injunction. The court observed that Yelp had featured at least one of Bird's defamatory reviews as a "Recommended Review"; that Yelp had not factored some positive reviews into the Hassell Law Group's overall rating; that Yelp had raised arguments in connection with its motion that would invalidate the judgment entirely, as opposed to merely the portion of the removal order specifically directed at it; and that Yelp refused to remove the reviews at issue, "notwithstanding a judicial finding that Bird's reviews are defamatory."
Even though it upheld the removal order in most respects, the Court of Appeal did not rely on an aiding and abetting theory to justify the extension of the injunction to Yelp. (See
Hassell v. Bird
,
supra
,
Justice Cuéllar would define "liability" within
Yet Justice Cuéllar's equation of "liability" under
There are numerous reasons why a removal order that appears facially valid may nevertheless be challenged by an Internet intermediary as illegitimate. As detailed in the amicus curiae brief submitted by Professor Eugene Volokh, a document that purports to represent a proper removal order might have been fraudulently obtained, secured after only meager attempts at service, or represent a forgery. A removal order also may be overbroad (as Bird claims to be the case here), or otherwise inaccurate or misleading.
Professor Volokh's brief incorporates a request for judicial notice of court filings that assertedly illustrate these concerns. We denied this request for judicial notice by a separate order. Formal notice is unnecessary to recognize the basic point being made-to wit, that plaintiffs' position, if accepted, would open the door to fraud and to sharp litigating tactics. (See
People v. Acosta
(2002)
Other shortcomings of plaintiffs' approach further expose it as something quite different from what Congress intended. These include the fact that even if it were accepted, plaintiffs' vehicle for avoiding
We also dispute Justice Cuéllar's characterizations of various aspects of this opinion. Yet we see no need to address each of the numerous instances where his dissent misstates our views. It is enough to recall former Justice Werdegar's observation that "[c]haracterization by the ... dissenters of the scope of the majority opinion is, of course, dubious authority." (
People v. Caballero
(2012)
Justice Cuéllar's dissenting opinion could be construed as allowing an injunction that on its face runs only against a party to be enforced, via a feeble aiding and abetting theory, against a different person or entity that
also
had been named as a party, but had successfully invoked
In full, the trial court's order reads:
Plaintiffs' Request for Injunctive Relief is Granted. Defendant AVA BIRD is ordered to remove each and every defamatory review published or caused to be published by her about plaintiffs HASSELL LAW GROUP and DAWN HASSELL from Yelp.com and from anywhere else they appear on the internet within 5 business days of the date of the court's order.
Defendant AVA BIRD, her agents, officers, employees or representatives, or anyone acting on her behalf, are further enjoined from publishing or causing to be published any written reviews, commentary, or descriptions of DAWN HASSELL or the HASSELL LAW GROUP on Yelp.com or any other internet location or website.
Yelp.com is ordered to remove all reviews posted by AVA BIRD under user names "Birdzeye B." and "J.D." attached hereto as Exhibit A and any subsequent comments of these reviewers within 7 business days of the date of the court's order.
As the plurality opinion explains, we are here concerned only with the validity of the third paragraph of the order insofar as it requires Yelp to remove specified reviews from its website.
Justice Liu disputes the characterization; he argues that the injunction at issue does not forbid Yelp from engaging in independent conduct with respect to the subject matter of this lawsuit. (Dis. opn. of Liu, J.,
post
, --- Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. ---- - ----, --- P.3d at pp. ---- - ----.) But of course it does: The order requires Yelp to remove Bird's reviews even if, acting entirely independently of Bird, and "solely in pursuit of [its] own interests" (
U.S. v. Hall
(5th Cir. 1972)
I would note, moreover, that if the trial court had relied on the existence of an agency (or agency-like) relationship as a basis for issuing an injunction directly against Yelp, the company would have been entitled to notice and an opportunity to be heard on that issue. (See
Zenith
,
supra
,
Justice Liu argues that the injunction against Yelp was properly entered based on its "relationship to Bird's tortious conduct," but notes that Yelp "may yet" raise arguments to the contrary in a contempt proceeding. (Dis. opn. of Liu, J.,
post
, 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 902-903,
As a practical matter, that Bird can independently effectuate the judgment further distinguishes
Ross
,
supra
,
In his dissent, Justice Cuéllar suggests other "evidence and interactions" that perhaps might support a finding that a website operator or other Internet platform acted as an aider and abettor. (Dis. opn. of Cuéllar, J.,
post
, 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 922-923, 420 P.3d at pp. 822-823.) We have not received full briefing on this question, and I express no view on it. I do, however, caution that even when the common law permits the enforcement of an injunction against a third party aider and abettor, other sources of law, including
Associate Justice of the Court of Appeal, First Appellate District, Division Two, assigned by the Chief Justice pursuant to article VI, section 6 of the California Constitution.
Undesignated references are to
Although this issue is not before us, and Yelp has not chosen to challenge this finding, the Court of Appeal determined that "Yelp is not aggrieved by the default judgment against Bird"-the judgment that Yelp sought to vacate. (
Hassell
,
supra
,
Justice Kruger believes remand is unwarranted to consider whether Yelp aided and abetted Bird's noncompliance with the court's order. (Conc. opn., 234 Cal.Rptr.3d at pp. 894-895, 895, fn. 5, 420 P.3d at pp. 798-800, 800, fn. 5.) Yet it is very much at issue in this case whether Yelp aided, abetted, or acted in concert with or in support of Bird. The trial court in this case made factual findings that Yelp aided, abetted, and acted on behalf of Bird-conclusions supporting its determination that Yelp may be bound by the injunction. The trial court's factual findings were based on Yelp's pre- and post-injunction conduct, including Yelp's relationship with Bird through its terms of service and as described in Bird's updated review, Yelp's legal arguments regarding Bird's claims, and Yelp's maintenance of the defamatory posts on its website. The briefs before us discuss whether the injunction was proper under California law, and whether Yelp acted in concert with Bird. Neither