Aftеr a division of this court had heard this case and decided it upon the merits, it reversed the judgment of the district court; and after petition for re» hearing filed by appellee had been re *276 jected and its petition to the Supreme Court for certiorari had been denied, the appellee filed the present motions to recall mandate, to vacate judgment, and to dismiss, the appeal. The same panel heard these motions and denied them. Upon a petition for rehearing of the motions it granted that petition, and on the recommendation of the majority of the judges of that division, the motions have been reheard by the court sitting en banc. 1
The facts upon which thе motions are predicated are as follows: The jury verdict in favor of defendant Weyerhaeuser was returned and filed October 25, 1956; judgment on that verdict, signed by the district judge, and bearing date October 25, 1956, was filed November 2, 1956. On November 5, 1956, after service of a copy thereof upon opposing counsel, counsel for Yanow, the plaintiff, who is the present appellant, filed in the court below a “motion for extension of time within which to file a motion for new trial.” This was supported by an affidavit of plaintiff’s counsel, and on the same day the court made an order that the time within which plaintiff might file his motion for a new trial was extended to and including November 20, 1956. A copy of the motion (not inсluding proof of service,) of the supporting affidavit, and of the order granting the extension of time, are set forth in the margin. 2
*277 On November 20, 1956, the plaintiff Yanow served and filed a formal motion for new trial specifying and setting forth eight grounds for his motion. On December 5, 1956, a formal order denying a new trial was filed and on December 19, 1956, plaintiff served and filed his notice of appeal from the judgment and verdict for the defendant.
Appellee asserts that its motions now before us must be granted for the reason that the appeal was not taken within the time allowed by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. It calls attention to the provision of Rule 73(a), 28 U.S.C.A.— ® * * the time within which an appeal may be taken shall bе 30 days from the entry of the judgment appealed from,” and notes that the judgment was dated October 25, 1956, marked filed November 2,1956, while the notice of appeal was not filed until December 19, 1956. Appellee says that while the same rule pi’ovides that “The running of the time for appeal is terminated by timely motion made pursuant to any of the rules hereinafter enumerated,” (which includes a motion for new trial under Rule 59), yet the motion for new trial filed November 20, 1956, was not timely made since Rule 59(b) provides that such a motion “shall be served not later than 10 days after the entry of the judgment”, and Rule 6(b) provides that the court “may not extend the time for taking any action under rules ® * * 59(b).”
It is appellee’s contentiоn that this court never acquired jurisdiction of the .appeal and that all subsequent actions, including its judgment reversing the decision of the district court, were null and void.
It is clear that when this court first handed down its decision on November 21, 1957, and again when its amended opinion was filed on February 21, 1958, it necessarily determined that it had jurisdiction. Of course the point presently urged, namely, that the appeal was not taken within time, was not then argued or presented by either party; — the point was not raised until 11 months after the first opinion when the present motions were made on October 16 and October 23, 1958. But as stated in Stoll v. Gottlieb,
That the appellee had not then raised the question is immaterial for as this court said in Leishman v. Associated Wholesale Electric Co., 9 Cir.,
Since the question of this court’s jurisdiction of the appeal was thus an issue in the case, the reversal of the judgment below was a tacit determination of the court’s jurisdiction and a final adjudication of that issue. If this final adjudication was erroneous, it was subject to correction upon review in a higher court, or upon rehearing in this court. But such a judgment, whether erroneous or not, becomes res judicata. Stoll v. Gottlieb, supra. 4
When a district court rendered such a final judgment with respect to its own *278 jurisdiction, relief therefrom is obtainable under Rule 60(b) F.R.Civ.P. 5 That rule has been made applicable to proceedings in this court by our Rule 8, subd. 1, 28 U.S.C.A., which provides: “The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, 28 U.S.C.A., whenever applicable, are hereby adopted as part of the rules of this court.” It seems plain that the motions now before us must be taken to be motions made pursuant to Rule 60(b) аs adopted and made applicable to this court.
When these motions were first presented to the division of the court which originally decided the case, they were denied upon the ground that “such a motion cannot be considered after the term in which the judgment becomes final.” The court then relied upon authorities cited in the opinion including O. F. Nelson & Co. v. United States, 9 Cir.,
It is to be noted, however, that Rule 60(b) contains an express condition upon which the relief there provided for may be granted as follows: “The motion shall' be made within a reasonable time, and for reasons (1), (2), and (3) not more than one year after the judgment, order, or proceeding was entered or taken.”
If the judgment with respect to which relief is here sought were one which was-truly void in the fullest sense of that term, that is to say, if it were one which was subject to collateral attack, because legally ineffective for any purpose, then it is possible that the “reasonable time” limitation might not apply. Support for that view may be found in 7 Moore’s Fed.Practice, § 60.25(4), p. 274, (2nd ed. 1955). 7
*279 But the judgment here under consideration cannot be said to be a void judgment in that sense.
Appellee suggests that the matter now presented is simple in that had the court made proper inquiry concerning the matter at the time of its decision, it would have discovered that it was without jurisdiction of the appeal. Appellee states: “It is obvious that if the court had investigated the subject matter of its own jurisdiction it would have been compelled to dismiss the appeal for lack of jurisdiction.” In view of this, says appellee, “everything else which has occurred, was and is a nullity * * * therefore the motions of appellee should be granted.”
The problem here cannot be disposed of merely by a holding that action within the time provided by the rules is “jurisdictional.” Many cases have held that the appeal time provided by Rules 59(b) and 73(a) is “‘mandatory and jurisdictional’ and ‘cannot be extended by * * order of the court.’ ” Edwards v. Doctors Hospital, 2 Cir.,
The difficulty is that the word “jurisdictional” has more than one meaning. As Judge Learned Hand has observed, “ ‘Jurisdiction’ is a treacherous word.” Baltimore & O. R. Co. v. United States, D.C.N.D.N.Y.,
The distinction between cases where certain facts are strictly jurisdiсtional in the sense that without them the act of the court is a mere nullity, and those cases in which the facts are only
quasi-
jurisdictional, is set out in Noble v. Union River Logging R. Co.,
Where the facts upon which jurisdiction depends are quasi jurisdictional in the sense here described, the determination by the court of its jurisdiction is, in the language of the case just cited, cоnclusive and binding in every collateral proceeding; and it matters not that the court’s determination of its own jurisdiction is arrived at in error, even though the error of adjudication is apparent upon the face of the record. 8
We are compelled to inquire whether the timeliness of the appeal is only a quasi jurisdictional requisite, not because we deal here with an attempted collateral attack upon the judgment,— plainly the attack here is a direct one,— but because we deem it essential to determine which of the six subdivisions in Rule 60(b), (footnote 5, supra), we must here apply.
Appellee apparently proceeds upon the ■theory that subdivision (4), “The judgment is void”, is the applicable section here. We are of the opinion that it is not; we think that the lack of timeliness-of the appeal resembles a lack of diversity of citizenship in that it is an irregularity in the nature of a quasi jurisdictional requisite.
As stated in American National Bank & Trust Co. of Chicago v. Taussig, 7 Cir.,
*281 We hold therefore that the judgment of this court was not a nullity or void, and hence that appellee’s motions are not properly made under subdivision (4) of Rule 60(b); rather, they come within the general language of subdivision (6) referring to “any other reason justifying relief from the operation of the judgment.” The significance of this conclusion is that the qualification of the rule to the effect that the motion shall be made within a reasonable time must be satisfied herе if the appellee is to prevail.
Recently, in the case of Patapoff v. Vollstedt’s Inc.,
It is clear that appellee was required to present these motions within a reasonable time. It is equally clear that appellee’s delay of almost 11 months after the date of the original decision in this case, (November 2.1, 1957 to October 16, 1958) was such that it cannot be said that the motion was made within a reasonable time. (This was a substantially longer time than the eight months which we held to be an unreasonable time in Stafford v. Russell, 9 Cir.,
We have assumed for the purpose of this decision that the record before us showed upon its face that there was not a timely appeal taken to this court. As we have above suggested, this would indicate that the court’s determination of its own jurisdiction to entertain the appeal was an erroneous one, but it is insufficient to show that it was a void one.
What we have sаid, upon the basis of that assumption, sufficiently disposes of this matter. However, there is another, alternative view of the facts and the law of this case which while unnecessary to this decision, nevertheless points to an additional basis for our action here. There is a line of decisions in the federal courts which would indicate that there exists here at least a colorable basis for a holding that the appeal was taken within time.
Under Rule 73(a) “The running of the time for appeal is terminated by a timely motion made pursuant to * * * Rule 59.” Where such a motion for new trial has been made, and is denied, the appellant has 30 days after the entry of the order denying a new trial, to give notice of appeal. It is true that the formal motion for new trial here was not made until *282 November 20, 1956. Prior to that time, however, the appellant filed the motion papers set forth in footnote 2, supra. In these he moved the court for an order “extending the time to and including November 20, 1956 within which to file a motion for new trial in the above entitled case.” Of course no grounds for the anticipated motion for new trial are stated, although the affidavit in support thereof suggested that counsel expected his motion to be based upon some matter relating to the court’s instructions.
However, there is a considerable body of authority indicating that in determining whether an attempted аppeal has been accomplished, most informally drawn papers and improperly labeled documents have been held sufficient to accomplish the apparent objective of taking an appeal or of making a motion for a new trial. Thus a petition for rehearing has been held equivalent to a motion for new trial. Fraser v. Doing, 76 U.S. App.D.C. 111,
It is thus apparent that had this court been presented with a motion *283 to dismiss the appeal on or before the date thе case was first argued on its merits, it might well have noted the decisions we have just mentioned, — decisions holding that an attempted appeal may be held to be effective and timely notwithstanding the papers filed are given the wrong names, do not use the word “appeal”, are filed in the wrong court, or otherwise fail strictly to conform to the language of the rules. Those cases in principle would support a holding that the motion filed November 5, 1956 could be treated as a motion for a new trial even though it was not labeled as such, and failed to state the grounds for the intended motion. Thus, it might satisfy the requirements of Rule 59(b) relating to service not later than 10 days after the entry of the judgment. Undеr such a holding that motion would suspend the running of the time for appeal under the provisions of Rule 73(a).
The rationale of the cases relating to informal or irregular appeals is that notwithstanding the papers filed were inaptly worded, or labeled, or even failed to use the word “appeal”, or were filed in the wrong court, yet they sufficed to show the party intended to appeal. Similarly, the application for time in which to move for a new trial gave notice of appellant’s intent to so move, and was an initiation of efforts to that end.
This motion was served on November 2, 1956. We have noted that the judgment was dated October 25, 1956 and filed November 2, 1956. If we were to аssume that the “entry” of the judgment occurred on October 25 and the motion was made on November 5, 1956, the date of its filing, this would be within the 10 days specified, for November 4 was a Sunday.
It is true that the motion for an extension of time within which to file a motion for new trial stated no grounds for which a new trial would be sought; but the fact that this motion, considered as an inartificially drawn motion for new trial was so defective that it could not properly be granted, would not serve to render it non-existent. This court has held that in order to suspend the running of the 30 day appeal period allowed by Rule 73(a) a motion for new trial need not be granted or even be grantable. Thomas Day Co. v. Doble Laboratories, 9 Cir.,
It is unnecеssary here to determine, and we do not purport to decide, whether the court would have been correct in holding, had the matter arisen upon a motion to dismiss the appeal, that the motion for an extension of time within which to move for a new trial should be treated as itself a motion for new trial. All that we here note is that a decision to that effect would at least have had a colorable basis in the decisions. 15
If the motion filed November 5, 1956, may properly be treated as itself a motion for new trial, the question arises as to what effect, if any, must be given *284 the formal motion for new trial of November 20, 1956. It may be considered an attempted amendment or enlargemеnt of the earlier motion. Of course, the addition then of new grounds for the motion would be ineffective, but as suggested by our decisions in Thomas Day Co. v. Doble Laboratories, and The Astorian, supra, the motion though still ineffective, was not necessarily non-existent. This means that when the formal motion was denied on December 5, 1956, this was the date of denial from which time the 30 days would be computed, making the December 17, 1956 notice of appeal a timely one.
Our disposition of this case makes it unnecessary to consider whether, on the facts shown, there is here “any * * * reason justifying relief” within the meaning of subdivision (6) of Rule 60(b); that is to say, whether action by us under this “other reason” clause would be an exercise of a power there granted. That clause, in the language of Mr. Justice Black in Klapprott v. United States,
If relief were to be granted under Rule 60(b) it must be applied for under the provisions of subdivision (6) of that Rule. Hence, the application must be made within a reasonable time. As we hold that such application was not made within a reasonable time, the motions must be denied.
It is so ordered.
FEE, Circuit Judge, did not participate in the decision of this ease.
Notes
. The chronology of the prior proceedings in this court is as follows:
Decembеr 19, 1950, appellant Yanow appealed to this court from a judgment upon a verdict for appellee Weyerhaeuser, defendant in the court below;
November 21, 1957, the division of the court mentioned above filed its opinion reversing the judgment and ordering a new trial.
January 17, 1958, petition for rehearing denied. Counsel for appellee then belately raised a question concerning an asserted lack of diversity of citizenship on which jurisdiction of the district court depended. This resulted in an amended opinion of February 21, 1958. Yanow v. Weyerhaeuser S.S. Co., 9 Cir.,
October 16,1958, appellee filed the present motions which were amended October 23, 1958; these amended motions are the matters now before the court.
. [Title of District Court and Cause] “Motion for Extension of Time Within Which to File a Motion for New Trial— Comes now plaintiff and moves the court for an order extending the time to and including November 20, 1956 within which to file a motion for new trial in the above entitled cause. This motion is based upon the affidavit of Neis Peterson sttached hereto and made a part hereof. Dated this 2nd day of November, 1956. (signed) Peterson & Pozzi and Berkeley Lent— Neis Peterson of Attorneys for Plaintiff.”
[Title of District Court and Cause]
"Affidavit — State of Oregon
“County of Multnomah — ss.
“I, Neis Peterson, being first duly sworn on oath depose and say that I am onе of the attorneys for plaintiff in the above entitled action, and conducted trial on behalf of plaintiff; that I am informed and believe and therefore allege that Gordon Griffith, court reporter for the above entitled court, who reported the trial proceedings of the above entitled action, is unable to prepare copies of the court’s instructions until on or about November 15, 1956, and such transcript is essential to the preparation of a Motion for a New Trial in the above entitled cause; that it is necessary that plaintiff be granted additional time to and including November 20, 1956, within which to file his Motion for New Trial in the above entitled cause.
“Further I Sayeth Naught.
“ (signed) Neis Peterson
“Subscribed and sworn tо before me this 2nd day of November, 1956.
“(signed) Janeth Wagenaar
“Notary Public for Oregon
“My Commission Expires 10-2-60.”
[Title of District Court and Cause.]
“Order Extending Time — Upon a Motion of plaintiff, affidavit of counsel for plaintiff, and for cause shown,
“It Is Hereby Ordered that the time within which plaintiff may file his Motion for a New Trial be and hereby is extended to and including November 20, 1956. Dated this 5th day of November, 1956. /s/ Gus J. Solomon, United States District Judge. [Endorsed]: Filed November 5, 1956.”
. “A court that renders judgment against a defendant thereby tacitly asserts, if it does not do so expressly, that it has jurisdiction over that defendant.” Chicago Life Ins. Co. v. Cherry,
. “After a party lias his clay in court, with opportunity to present his evidence and his view of the law, a collateral attack upon the decision as to jurisdiction there rendered merely retries the issue рreviously determined.” Stoll v. Gottlieb, supra,
. Rule 60(b) : “On motion and upon such terms as are just, the court may relieve a party or his legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding for the following reasons: (1) mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect; (2) newly discovered evidence which by due diligence could not have been discovered in time to move for a nеw trial under Rule 59(b); (3) fraud (whether heretofore denominated intrinsic or extrinsic), misrepresentation, or other misconduct of an adverse party; (4) the judgment is void; (5) the judgment has been satisfied, released, or discharged, or a prior judgment upon which it is based has been reversed or otherwise vacated, or it is no longer equitable that the judgment should have prospective application; or (6) any other reason justifying relief from the operation of the judgment. The motion shall be made within a reasonable time, and for reasons (1), (2), and (3) not more than one year after the judgment, order, or proceeding was entered or taken. A motion under this subdivision (bl does not affect the finality of a judgment or suspend its operation. * * * ”
. This same case is cited, supra, note 3, upon another point. Upon the question as to the expiration of the term of court, the court quoted the following statement by the Supreme Court (
. “The theory underlying the concept of a void judgment is that it is legally ineffective — a legal nullity; and may be va *279 cated by the court which rendered it at any time. Baches of a party cannot cure a judgment that is so defective as to be void; laches cannot infusе the judgment with life. Further, it may, when appropriately called in question, be adjudged void in any collateral proceeding, and this collateral attack may be made at any time. Since a federal judgment that is void can be so collaterally attacked, and since the judgment sustaining the collateral attack would have to be given effect in a subsequent 60(b) (4) motion to set the federal judgment aside as void, the ‘reasonable time’ limitation must generally mean no time limit, although there may be exceptional situations where the reasonable time limitation would require diligence on the part of the movant.”
. Abraham v. Homer,
. In the early case of Des Moines Nav. & R. Co. v. Iowa Homestead Co.,
. In Federal Deposit Ins. Corp. v. Congregation Poiley Tzedeck, 2 Cir.,
. This case is interesting in that the Supreme Court granted certiоrari,
. Cf. Lemke v. United States,
. In that case the paper filed, and held an adequate notice of appeal, recited: “You will please take notice that on Friday the 6th day of May, 1949, at ten o’clock A.M. of said day * * * the defendants will move the Court for an order staying all execution proceedings on the part *283 of the plaintiffs in the above-entitled action on the grounds that the defendants feeling themselves aggrieved by the judgment made and entered on the 8th day of April, 1949, in the above entitled cause, desire to post a supersedeas bond and perfect an appeal.” While the court based its holding on the fact that the law relating to appeals from Alaska was uncertain, yet it said: “The rule of strict construction does not apply to the acquiring of jurisdiction by an appellate court. On the contrary, the steps taken for an appeal are to be liberally construed as appears from the cases cited infra.”
. “To have the effect of tolling the statutory limitation for appeals it is, of course, not essential that the petition for rehearing be well taken, and it would seem to follow that if it is defective in form or substance and is denied for that reason it would still have such effect.”
. In arriving at a conclusion that such a colorable basis could bo found, we have relied upon the decisions of this court in Thomas Day Oo. v. Doble Laboratories, supra, and The Astorian, supra. Even if those decisions were wrong, the judgments entered thereon were not void. We note that there are cases which disagree with those decisions, as for instance, Fine v. Paramount Pictures, 7 Cir.,
. The suggestion on that question proceeds as follows: The motions here, as in the case of similar motions in the District Court under 60(b) (6), are addressed to the “sound legal discretion of the * * * court,” Independence Lead Mines Co. v. Kingsbury, 9 Cir.,
