Spencer Dulal-Whiteway (“Dulal”) petitions for review of an order of the Board of Immigration Appeals (“BIA”) affirming the decision of Immigration Judge (“IJ”) Alan Vomacka ordering Dulal removed on the grounds that his conviction for making false statements in connection with the acquisition of a firearm, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6), was a removable firearm offense within the meaning of 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(C), and that his conviction for fraud in connection with unauthorized access devices, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1029(a)(2), was an aggravated felony within the meaning of 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(M)(i). In re Spencer Hamilton Dulal-Whiteway, No. A45 164 992 (B.I.A. May 10, 2004), aff'g No. A45 164 992 (Immig. Ct. New York City May 27, 2003). We hold that the IJ did not err in finding Dulal removable for the firearm offense, but erred in finding him removable for the fraud offense. It was improper for the IJ and BIA to have relied upon a restitution order to determine that Dulal was convicted of an offense “involv[ing] fraud or deceit in which the loss to the victim or victims exceeds $10,000,” 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(M)(i), because no part of the record of conviction established that Dulal had been convicted of fraud causing loss over that amount. We Geant in part and Dismiss in part Dulal’s petition for review, Vaoate the BIA’s removal order insofar as it is based on a finding that Dulal was convicted of an aggravated felony, and Remand for further proceedings consistent with this decision.
BACKGROUND
Dulal, a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago, was lawfully admitted to the United States on May 6, 1996. On March 22, 2001, a federal grand jury returned an indictment against him, alleging that he had stolen the identity of Wayne Nashaud Barakat and used that identity to obtain credit and calling cards, submit a car loan application, make withdrawals from Barakat’s personal bank account and purchase firearms. Count One of the indictment charged Dulal with using a number of unauthorized access devices (specifically, credit and calling cards) to obtain things of value aggregating $1000 or more, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1029(a)(2). Counts Two, Three and Four, which the government ultimately moved to dismiss, charged Dulal with one *119 count of making false statements in connection with loan applications, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1014, and two counts of bank fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1344. Count Five alleged that Dulal gave Barakat’s name and Social Security-number to Alexander’s Pawn Shop in order to purchase a .380 caliber pistol, and charged Dulal with making false statements in connection with the acquisition of a firearm in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6). Count Six, which the government also eventually moved to dismiss, charged a similar crime in connection with the purchase of a different firearm.
On October 5, 2001, Dulal appeared before the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida (Hurley, J.) and entered a guilty plea as to Counts One and Five. The court accepted his plea, and dismissed the other counts on the motion of the government. The Probation Office prepared a Presentence Investigation Report (“PSR”), which, in relevant part, identified the seven unlawfully obtained credit cards forming the basis of the conduct charged in Count One, and set forth the amount of loss associated with each card. The PSR noted that the Mandatory Victims Restitution Act (“MVRA”), 18 U.S.C. § 3663A(a)(l), required the court to order restitution, and recommended that Dulal be ordered to pay $20,824.09, the sum of the losses from the seven cards, “to the victims in the attached list,” presumably referring to the list of unlawfully obtained cards.
The district court sentenced Dulal principally to thirteen months’ imprisonment for each of the two counts of conviction, tо be served concurrently, imposed a three-year term of supervised release, and ordered him to pay restitution. The restitution order set the total amount of loss and the restitution amount at $20,824.09, and identified the payees as those “indicated in the Presentence Investigation Report.”
On April 3, 2002, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (“INS”) 1 issued Dulal a notice to appear (“NTA”), alleging that his conviction for fraud in connection with access devices was an offense that “involves fraud or deceit in which the loss to the victim or victims exceeds $10,000,” 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(M)(i), and that he was therefore removable as an aggravated felon under 8 U.S.C. § 122T(a)(2)(A)(iii). Seven months later, the INS lodged an additional charge against Dulal, alleging that his conviction for making false statements to acquire a firearm was a firearm offense rendering him removable under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(C), which authorizes the removal of aliens convicted of “purchasing, selling, offering for sale, exchanging, using, owning, possessing, or carrying” a firearm or attempting or conspiring to do so.
Dulal appeared with counsel before the Immigration Court in New York (Vomac-ka, I.J.) оn May 27, 2003. Dulal admitted the facts alleged in the NTA, but denied that his convictions rendered him removable. He did not seek any relief from removal. The IJ rejected Dulal’s arguments and ordered him removed. The IJ found first that 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(C) “is broad enough to cover a crime committed in reference to purchasing or attempting to purchase a firearm, even if the crime is not related to violence or firearms, as in this case, making false statements.” Thus, the IJ found, Dulal’s conviction under 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6) made him removable. *120 With regard to Dulal’s fraud offense, the IJ rejected Dulal’s argument that the record failed to establish a loss to his victims greater than $10,000, as required to establish that the crime was an aggravated felony. The IJ held that it was proper to consult both the PSR and the restitution order to determine the amount of loss resulting from the offense, and that these documents reflected a loss of slightly over $20,000. He thus found that Dulal also was removable on the second ground of having been convicted of an aggravated felony.
Dulal appealed the IJ’s determination to the BIA, which affirmed without opinion. He timely petitioned this Court for review.
DISCUSSION
I. Jurisdiction and Standard of Review
Under the REAL ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. No. 109-13, 119 Stat. 231, this Court lacks jurisdiction to review orders of removal based on an alien’s conviction for certain criminal offenses, including aggravated felonies and firearm offenses. Our jurisdiction to consider “questions of law,” 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(D), however, allows us to review whether an alien’s conviction qualifies as a removable offense under the immigration laws.
See Blake v. Gonzales,
“Where, as here, the BIA summarily affirms the IJ pursuant to 8 C.F.R. § 1003.1(e)(4)(I), we review the IJ’s decision directly.”
Dos Santos v. Gonzales,
As noted, the IJ found Dulal removable on two grounds. We address both grounds, despite finding Dulal removable on the first ground, because the parties have agreed that removal for a firearms offense and removal for an aggravated felony carry different collaterаl consequences. For example, removal for an aggravated felony imposes a permanent bar on an alien’s reentry to the United States, while removal based on a firearm offense imposes only a ten-year bar. 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(9)(A)(ii) (“Any alien ... who ... has been removed under [8 U.S.C. § 1229a] ... and who seeks admission within 10 years of the date of such alien’s departure or removal (... or at any time in the case of an alien convicted of an aggravated felony) is inadmissible.”). The parties have also conceded that were we to decline to reach the BIA’s aggravated felony determination, that finding likely would continue to bind future agency adjudicators.
Cf. Johnson v. Ashcroft,
II. Removability for Firearms Conviction
Dulal’s first count of conviction was under 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6), which provides, in pertinent part:
It shall be unlawful ... for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition under the provisions of this chapter.
The IJ concluded that Dulal’s conviction under 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6) rendered him removable under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(C), which authorizes the removal of
[a]ny alien who at any time after admission is convicted under any law of purchasing, selling, offering for sale, exchanging, using, owning, possessing, or carrying, or of attempting or conspiring to purchase, sell, offer for sale, exchange, use, own, possess, or carry, any weapon, part, or accessory which is a firearm or destructive device (as defined in section 921(a) of Title 18) in violation of any law....
The IJ reasoned that this provision was “broad enough” to encompass Dulal’s fraudulent statements conviction. We agree.
In determining whether an alien’s conviction was for an offense that renders him or her removable under the federal immigration laws, the BIA and this Court have employed a “categorical approach.”
Blake,
Here, Dulal argues that he cannot be found removable under the categorical approach because the conduct necessary to sustain a conviction under § 922(a)(6) is different in nature than the conduct set forth in the removability statute. In essence, he claims that the gravamen of a § 922(a)(6) offense is the making of false statements or the misrepresentation of one’s identity, not the “affirmative act” of acquiring or possessing a firearm. Section 922(a)(6) is fundamentally a fraud offense, he contends, not a firearm offense.
The plain language of § 922(a)(6), however, requires as an element of the offense that the fraudulent statements be made “in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition” of a firearm.
2
See Huddleston v. United States,
The BIA has read § 1227(a)(2)(C) to encompass the types of conduct listed— purchasing, possessing, and carrying firearms, among others' — “not simply as crimes in their own right, but also as elements of other crimes.”
Kuhali
Here, anyone convicted of violating § 922(a)(6) must either have acquired or attempted to acquire a firearm. Thus, all such individuals have “purehas[ed] ... or ... attempted] ... to purchase” a firearm within the meaning of 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(C), or, to the extent that the verb “to acquire” has some meaning be
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yond merely ‘.‘to purchase,” have “ex-chang[ed], ... [or] possessed], or ... attempted] ... [to] exchange, ... [or] possess” a firearm.
See Huddleston,
Section 922(a)(6), however, also criminalizes the making of false statements in connection with the acquisition of
ammunition,
which, unlike the acquisition of a firearm, is not removable conduct. Thus, it is possible to be convicted of violating § 922(a)(6) without having committed a removable offense. Because not “every set of facts violating [the] statute” satisfies the criteria for removability, we cannot find Dulal removable under the categorical approach.
Dickson,
III. Removability for Aggravated Felony Conviction
Title 8, Section 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii) of the United States Code renders removable “[a]ny alien who is convicted of an aggravated felony at any time after admission.” Title 8, Section 1101(a)(43)(M)(i) of the United States Code defines “aggravated felony” as, inter alia, an offense that “involves fraud or deceit in which the loss to the victim or victims exceeds $10,000.”
Dulal was convicted of fraud in connection with access devices in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1029(a)(2), which provides:
Whoever ... knowingly and with intent to defraud traffics in or uses one or more unauthorized access devices during any one-year period, and by such conduct obtains anything of value aggregating $1,000 or more during that period ... shall, if the offense affects interstate or foreign commerce, be punished as provided....
Dulal concedes that his conviction under this statute “involves fraud or deceit” within the meaning of the removability provision. He contends, however, that his record of conviction fails to establish that the loss to the victims of his crime exceeded $10,000. In particular, he argues that it *124 was error for the IJ to consult the PSR and the restitution order, which indicated that the loss to his victims was roughly $20,000, because neither should have been considered part of his record of conviction. We agree that relying upon these materials to prove that Dulal was convicted of a fraud involving loss greater than $10,000 violated the modified categorical approach to determining aliens’ removability based on criminal convictions.
Our holding has its roots in
Taylor v. United States,
In
Taylor,
the Supreme Court considered the circumstances under which a court could apply a statutory enhancement to the sentence of a defendant with a prior conviction for burglary.
See
In
Shepard,
the Court extended the holding of
Taylor,
including the “exeep
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tion” to the categorical approach,
4
to cases where the prior conviction resulted from a guilty plea rather than a jury verdict.
In
Ming Lam Sui v. INS,
As described above, this Court, following
Sui,
has applied the modified categorical approach as a two-step inquiry: first, we determine if the statute is “divisible,” such that some categories of proscribed conduct render an alien removable and some do not; second, we consult the record of conviction to ascertain the category of conduct of which the alien was convicted.
See Dickson,
In the present case, the government argues that 18 U.S.C. § 1029(a)(2), the statute criminalizing fraud in connection with access devices, is a divisible statute. The provision encompasses fraud by which the perpetrator obtains a thing or things valuing more than $1000; however, under 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(M)(i), such fraud is only a removable offense when the loss to the victims exceeds $10,000. Thus, the government argues, the statute proscribes some conduct that is not removable — fraud causing a loss between $1000 and $10,-000 — and some conduct that is removable — fraud causing a loss greater than $10,000 — and we should consult the record of conviction to determine which of the twо types of conduct actually underlay Dulal’s conviction.
In
Sui,
we implicitly assumed that a statute criminalizing the possession of counterfeit securities with intent to deceive was divisible because it comprised non-removable conduct causing loss up to $10,000 and removable conduct causing loss greater than $10,000.
See Sui,
In
Canada,
we explicitly confronted an alien’s argument that the statute under which he was convicted, which proscribed assault on public safety officers, was not divisible because the categories of officers covered by the statute were listed one after another in a single sentence, rather than in separate subsections.
There are strong arguments for finding divisible only those statutes where the alternative means of committing a violation, some of which constitute removable conduct and some of which do not, are enumerated as discrete alternatives. Were we not to impose this limit on the divisibility inquiry, we would deem a far greater number of criminal statutes divisible, and would thus more frequently consult the alien’s record of conviction. At its extreme, this practice would call into question the categorical approach’s commitment to a limited review of the “fact of conviction,” rather than the “particular factual circumstances” underlying a conviction.
Dickson,
The Third Circuit, apparently responding to these concerns, has determined that a criminal statute may be considered divisible only if one of two conditions is met.
See Singh v. Ashcroft,
Of course, we could also take the position that all statutes of conviction may be considered “divisible” regardless of then-structure, so long as they contain an element or elements that could be satisfied either by removable or non-removable conduct. This approach also has much to recommend it. Although neither Taylor and Shepard nor Sui addressed the concept of “divisibility” per se, both, by proceeding to examine the individual’s record of conviction, implicitly assumed what we now refer to as the statute’s divisibility. 7 These cases suggest that while the issue of statute divisibility and reliance upon the record of conviction are theoretically separable, in practice they demand a single inquiry: has an alien been actually and necessarily convicted of a removable offense? More importantly, a broader concept of divisible statutes could more fully effectuate the purpose of the immigration laws. Statutes of conviction rarely correlate precisely with statutes of removability — for example, few statutes criminalizing fraud enumerate distinct violations corresponding to the $10,000 loss amount required by the removability statute at issue in this ease. Far more frequently, an alien’s conviction will have been under a criminal statute structured like 18 U.S.C. § 1029(a)(2), delineating a single crime that can be committed both by removable and non-removable conduct. In order to countenance the removal of such aliens (and thus implement Congress’s desire that aliens committing fraud causing loss in excess of $10,000 be removed), we would have to find the statute divisible and consult the record of conviction.
In any event, we need not decide this question because Dulal has not challenged the divisibility of 18 U.S.C. § 1029(a)(2). Accordingly, we too presume that the statute is divisible and proceed, as did the IJ, to examine Dulal’s record of conviction. The government maintains that it was proper for the IJ to rely upon both the PSR and the restitution order as part of that record in order to establish the loss amount associated with Dulal’s fraud and thus his removability. We disagree.
In applying the modified categorical approach, we have looked to a variety of sources as part of the “record of conviction.” Drawing from the list of materials that may supply “proof of a criminal conviction,” 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(c)(3)(B),
8
we
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have stated that permissible materials include a charging document (such as an indictment), a signed plea agreement, a verdict or judgment of conviction, a record of the sentence; a plea colloquy transcript, and jury instructions.
See Dickson,
The government’s argument that a PSR is properly considered among these materials, such that the IJ could rely upon the loss amount it described, is foreclosed by
Dickson,
where we rejected a virtually identical claim.
The restitution order itself provides the same information about the amount of loss caused by Dulal’s fraud, however, and neither
Dickson
nor
Sui,
nor
*130
any other Second Circuit case, has addressed whether the information in a restitution order may establish that an alien’s conviction was for a removable offense. As the government notes, such an order is a “record of sentence,” which
Dickson
stated (albeit in dicta) forms part of the record of conviction.
Of course,
Taylor
and
Shepard
were sentencing decisions, and differences between criminal punishment and the civil removal power might justify a circumscribed application of those decisions in the latter context. The First Circuit so concluded in
Conteh v. Gonzales,
Instead, we hold that, in removal proceedings ... the government is not required to show[,] ... where a guilty plea has taken place, that the defendant necessarily admitted[ ] every element of an offense enumerated in 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43). Rather, the government bears the burden of proving, by clear and convincing evidence derived solely from the record of the prior proceeding, that (i) the alien was convicted of a crime and (ii) that crime involved every element of one of the enumerated offenses.
Id.
at 55.
Taylor
and
Shepard,
the court explained, were “informed by constitutional concerns,” which are “crucial in the criminal context but entirely irrelevant in
*131
the removal context.”
Id.
Moreover, the court reasoned that the pure categorical approach “impermissibly elevates the government’s burden in civil removal proceedings,”
id.,
effectively requiring a showing of removability beyond a reasonable doubt rather than by clear,- unequivocal and convincing evidence, as provided in the INA,
see
8 U.S.C. § 1229a(c)(3)(A). Applying its adapted, less stringent approach, the court concluded that the alien’s restitution order, imposing $34,200 in restitution, permitted it to conclude that the alien’s conviction was for removable conduct.
Conteh,
For the reasons that follow, we disagree with the First Circuit, and hold that the BIA, in determining whether an alien is removable based on a conviction for an offense set forth in the INA, may rely only upon information appearing in the record of conviction that would be permissible under the Taylor-Shepard approach in the sentencing context. For convictions following a trial, the BIA may rely only upon facts actually and necessarily found beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury or judge in order to establish the elements of the offense, as indicated by a charging document or jury instructions. For convictions following a plea, the BIA may rely only upon facts to which a defendant actually and necessarily pleaded in order to establish the elements of the offense, as indicated by a charging document, written plea agreement, or plea colloquy transcript. 11 The “nеcessarily pleaded” requirement links the record of conviction inquiry to the divisibility inquiry: once we determine that a criminal statute is divisible, because one or more of its elements can be satisfied both by conduct that is removable and by conduct that is not, we may consult the record of conviction to determine which type of conduct represents the basis of the conviction.
Three principles compel our holding. First, as we noted in
Sui,
it is sound statutory construction to accord the words of the INA their plain meaning.
See Sui,
Second, the
Taylor
and
Shepard,
Courts’ concern about the “daunting” practical difficulties associated with scrutinizing the facts ■ underlying a conviction is equally applicable in the removal context. We have emphasized that the BIA and reviewing courts are ill-suited to readjudicate the basis of prior criminal cоnvictions.
See Sui,
Third and finally, our holding- — like
Taylor’s
— is fair. It is true that Sixth Amendment concerns do not figure into remova-bility calculations in the same way they do in sentencing; it goes without saying that there is no Sixth Amendment right to a jury determination of removability. But, even were we to read the INA’s requirement of a “conviction” as having no relation whatsoever to the constitutional right to a jury trial,
13
Taylor
was motivated not only by the Sixth Amendment but by general conceptions of fairness.
14
See Taylor,
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At least two courts of appeals have agreed with our conclusion. In
Chung Ping Li v. Ashcroft,
Similarly, in
Obasohan v. U.S. Att’y Gen.,
Applying these principles to the facts of the present case, we find that it was error for the IJ to conclude that Dulal was convicted of fraud involving loss greater than $10,000. Dulal’s indictment alleged only that he had caused a loss greater than $1000, which was an element of the offense, but did not specify that he had satisfied that element by causing loss of a particular amount in excess of that sum. Nothing in the record before the IJ or the BIA provides any evidence of a plea allocution or any written plea agreement. Du- *134 labs judgment of conviction indicates that Dulal pleaded guilty to Counts One and Five, but does not indicate that he admitted to causing any specific loss amount associated with either count. It was improper, under Dickson, for the IJ to have consulted the PSR. And as discussed above, the amount of loss indicated in the restitution order was found by the judge by a preponderance of the evidence and was not necessarily limited to the admissions in his plea or to the elements allеged. Thus, that amount is an inappropriate basis for a determination, by clear, unequivocal and convincing evidence, that Dulal was convicted of fraud involving a loss to the victims of greater than $10,000. 16
Because Dulal’s record of conviction did not establish that his conviction for fraud in connection with access devices involved loss over $10,000, the IJ erred in finding him removable as an aggravated felon under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii) and 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(M)(i).
CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, we hold that (1) the IJ erred in finding Dulal removable as an aggravated felon under 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(43)(M)(i) based on his conviction for fraud in connection with access devices, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1029(a)(2), because it was improper to rely on Dulal’s restitution order — which reflected an amount of loss to which Dulal did not actually or necessarily plead — to establish loss to his victims of greater than $10,000; and (2) the IJ correctly determined that Dulal was removable under 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(C) because his conviction for making false statements in connection with the acquisition of a firearm, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6), had removable conduct as an essential element.
We GRANT in part and Dismiss in part Dulal’s petition fоr review, VaCate the BIA’s removal order insofar as it is based on a finding that Dulal was convicted of an aggravated felony, and ReMand for further proceedings consistent with this decision.
Notes
. On March 1, 2003, the INS was reconstituted as the Bureau of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“BICE”) and the Bureau of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services ("BCIS”).
See Monter v. Gonzales,
. The statute states "firearm or ammunition.” We return to this below.
. Dulal has not raised any argument in this petition related to the firearms/ammunition distinction in § 922(a)(6). We must nonetheless apply the categorical approach faithfully to assure ourselves that his conviction was for removable conduct.
. It is this “exception” that we now describe as the “modified categorical approach.”
. Although Shepard had not yet been decided, we looked to Taylor for guidance notwithstanding the fact that Sui was convicted following a guilty plea. .
. We first set forth the divisibility concept as its own inquiry in
Kuhali,
.
Taylor
described the exception to the categorical approach as a single inquiry that presumed what we now call statute divisibility and focused on what the recоrd of conviction could establish: "This categorical approach ... may permit the sentencing court to go beyond the mere fact of conviction in a narrow range of cases where a jury was actually required to find all the elements of generic burglary.”
Similarly, both the Ninth and the Eleventh Circuits have implicitly found that statutes similar to the one under which Dulal was convicted are divisible.
See Obasohan v. U.S. Att’y Gen.,
. Section 1229a(c)(3)(B) states in full:
(B) Proof of convictions. In any proceeding under this Act, any of the following documents or records (or a certified copy of *129 such an official document or record) shall constitute proof of a criminal conviction:
(i) An official record of judgment and conviction.
(ii) An official record of plea, verdict, and sentence.
(iii) A docket entry from court records that indicates the existence of the сonviction.
(iv) Official minutes of a court proceeding or a transcript of a court hearing in which the court takes notice of the existence of the conviction.
(v) An abstract of a record of conviction prepared by the court in which the conviction was entered, or by a State official associated with the State’s repository of criminal justice records, that indicates the charge or section of law violated, the disposition of the case, the existence and date of conviction, and the sentence.
(vi) Any document or record prepared by, or under the direction of, the court in which the conviction was entered that indicates the existence of a conviction.
(vii)Any document or record attesting to the conviction that is maintained by an official of a State or Federal penal institution, which is the basis for that institution’s authority to assume custody of the individual named in the record.
See also Dickson,
. The question was not settled by 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(c)(3)(B)(vi), we noted, because even if a PSR were considered a "document prepared at the direction of the court” within the meaning of that provision, the BIA could use it only to prove the existence of the conviction, not the factual basis underlying the conviction.
Dickson,
. While
Diclcson
did not cite
Taylor
directly, it relied repeatedly on
Sui
(and other cases relying on Sui), which, as discussed above, drew its logic from
Taylor. See Dickson,
. Of course, we could not examine the facts established in this way by the record of conviction when the removability provision, unlike the one in the instant case, directs our attention to the elements actually required by the statute. In
Chrzanoski v. Ashcroft,
We also note that to the extent dictum in
Kuhali
appears to foreclose our current holding,
see Kuhali,
.Moreover, if a statute of.conviction were to proscribe crimes with different statutory máx-imums, and a sentencing order revealed that only the сrime with the greater maximum could have been the basis of the conviction, our holding would not preclude use of the sentencing order to determine the specific crime of conviction. .
. Of course, the concept of a "conviction” does carry with it the assurance that the convicted individual was accorded constitutional protections before a judgment was imposed against him.
. Indeed, when we first applied
Taylor’s
reasoning in the immigration context,
see Sui,
. The court also rejected the government’s argument that it could look to the guilty verdict combined with the indictment, which specified a loss amount greater than $10,000, because "amount of loss is not an element of the underlying crimes of conviction,’’ and there was no indication that the jury actually was required to find the loss amount in the indictment.
Chung Ping Li,
. It is highly possible that Dulal pleaded guilty to the counts in question, but would have acceded only to some loss amount between the $1000 minimum in the statute and the $10,000 threshold. In any event, we have no way of knowing what he believed at the lime of the plea, because we have no evidence that he indicated any loss amount at that time, nor would he have had to do so in order for his plea to be valid and to result in a valid conviction.
