Opinion by
This is an appeal from the order of the Court of Oyer and Terminer of Philadelphia County, denying, after hearing, appellant’s petition for post-conviction relief. On July 20, 1965, appellant pleaded guilty to murder generally and was found guilty of second degree murder. On the next day he was sentenced to four to ten years imprisonment. He brought this post-conviction proceeding, alleging the invalidity of his guilty plea.
Appellant asserts that his guilty plea was unknowing, as he was unaware of the nature and effect of the entry of the plea. He bolsters his claim by emphasizing that the plea must have been unknowing, for he never admitted that he was guilty of murder. The court below held the plea to be a knowing one, and we agree with that court.
We begin with the proposition that whenever the accused pleads guilty to an indictment, he is presumed to be aware of what he is doing. Therefore, the burden is ordinarily on the appellant to prove that he did not enter his guilty plea knowingly.
Commonwealth v. Hill,
However, this Court has a number of times indicated that the trial court should conduct an on the record inquiry as to whether the plea is intelligently entered in order to prevent the dilemma of a hearing judge who “faced with a silent record, must either choose to disbelieve what appears to be credible and internally consistent testimony by the prisoner that he was never examined as to the consequences of his plea or grant the relief required.”
Com ex rel. West v. Rundle,
supra, at page 106. In
Com ex rel. Barnosky v. Maroney,
Then in
Com. ex rel. West v. Myers,
-In the above case West was granted a hearing. At that hearing relief was denied. He then appealed again, asserting that we should reconsider our cases like Com. ex rel. Barnosky v. Maroney, supra. He advanced a prophylactic rule that. failure of the trial judge to conduct an on the record colloquy with the prisoner sufficient to demonstrate a knowing plea must result in a holding that the plea does not meet constitutional requirements. We rejected the rule advanced by appellant because it did not provide sufficient flexibility. The main drawback to such a rule was that it would have invalidated numerous guilty pleas, where the defendant full well understood what he was doing, simply because there was no on the record inquiry, even though our cases had not yet required such an inquiry.
However, these considerations, while valid as to retroactive application of any sort of prophylactic rule, do not apply prospectively. In the second West case, we warned: “If these convictions are to be insulated from attack, the trial court is best advised to conduct an on the record examination of the defendant, which should include, inter alia, an attempt to satisfy itself that the defendant understands the nature of the charges, his right to a jury trial, the acts sufficient to constitute the offenses for which he is charged and the permissible range of sentences [footnote omitted]. See
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Commonwealth ex rel. West v. Myers, supra, at 5 n.3,
It would seem that the second West case, although abjuring the upsetting of many convictions in cases tried theretofore, made it quite clear that in all cases tried thereafter, absent an on the record inquiry, the Commonwealth would be faced with at least a shift of the burden of proof. The relevant question in the instant case is whether the initial case in this line of cases, Com. ex rel. Barnosky v. Maroney, supra, decided in 1964, did likewise.
The instant case was tried in July of 1965. There was an on the record inquiry by the trial judge, but we are forced to disagree with the hearing Judge’s characterization of that inquiry as “careful.” The inquiry is set forth below: “The Court : . . . There is no effort at all to force you in this. You know what you are doing, sir. You heard your attorneys, and they are both present. The Defendant : Yes. The Court : You are entering this plea, knowing all the possibilities of the case, and having heard the Court. The sentence is entirely up to me, and I can be persuaded to be lenient if the facts warrant. . .” This is hardly the kind of inquiry contemplated by the cases. There is no attempt by the court to satisfy itself that the defendant *136 knew “the nature of the charges, his right to a jury-trial, the acts sufficient to constitute the offense for which he is charged and the permissible range of sentences.” Com. ex rel. West v. Rundle, 428 Pa., supra.
Thus, if the absence of an appropriate on the record inquiry in- trials occurring post
-Bwrnoshy
and pre
West
(1968) served at least to shift the burden of proof to the Commonwealth, we would not affirm the action of the court below. However, our language in
Bwrnoshy,
supra, was more suggestive than anything else. We used language like “would be wise”, “is desirable”, “suggests”. Appellant thus cannot rely on that case as establishing a prospective prophylactic rule. In fact, in
Commonwealth v. Coleman,
That burden the appellant in the instant case has failed to meet. Not only was the court below free to disbelieve appellant’s story, but the Commonwealth produced affirmative testimony from appellant’s trial counsel that he and his co-counsel advised petitioner of “all of the ramifications” of his guilty plea, including the potential degree of guilt and the possible sentences.
Nor is the situation changed any because appellant did not récite that he killed the victim, but rather maintained that he did not know exactly how the victim received the fatal wounds. In the instant case, there was certainly the significant evidence of guilt required by the cases. Appellant was aware that two eyewitnesses could testify that he had struck the fatal blow to the victim during a quarrel. Moreover, appellant himself had admitted that in his struggle over the murder weapon, the decedent was fatally stabbed. Under those circumstances, it was hardly unreasonable *137 for him to decide that no jury would acquit him. His failure unequivocally to admit that he had committed murder does not mean that his was an unknowing guilty plea that should be vitiated.
The order of the court below is affirmed.
