ORDER
This 42 U.S.C. § 1983 action is before the court on the plaintiff’s motion to *968 compel his production at trial and also to compel the production of a witness in his behalf. The cause of action in this suit arises from a time when the plaintiff was incarcerated in the Jackson County Correctional Institution and is one for which he seeks some $750,000 in monetary damages for the alleged denial of his constitutional rights by the named defendants. The plaintiff is presently a federal prisoner incarcerated at the United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri. The witness whose attendance he seeks is presently a state prisoner incarcerated in the Georgia State Prison at Reidsville, Georgia. Since the plaintiff is indigent and proceeding in forma pauper-is, he seeks to have the federal government bear all the expenses connected with this motion.
At the request of this court, the plaintiff is now being represented by Mr. Ernest V. Harris of the Georgia Legal Services Program. Mr. Harris has submitted an affidavit stating that in order for the plaintiff to receive a fair trial, the plaintiff must be in court and be able to testify personally and that it is equally necessary that the requested witness be present. The plaintiff essentially argues that he has a right to be brought to court and that he also has a right to have his witness produced for trial. The plaintiff does not cite any authority which would directly support his contention that he has such a right or that this court has the authority to order such production, but he relies on the principle that prisoners do not lose their right of access to the courts but that they retain their right to seek redress for their grievances even though they are incarcerated, citing
Cruz v. Beto,
Cruz
held that the district court had erred in dismissing the complaint of a prisoner who alleged “that he was not allowed to use the prison chapel, that he was prohibited from writing to his religious advisor, and that he was placed in solitary confinement for sharing his religious material with other prisoners.”
Lawful incarceration brings about the necessary withdrawal or limitation of many privileges and rights, a retraction justified by the considerations underlying our penal system. Among those so limited is the otherwise unqualified right given by § 272 of the Judicial Code, 28 U.S.C. § 394 [now 28 U.S.C. § 1654] to parties in all courts of the United States to “plead and manage their own causes personally.”
It is thus clear that the plaintiff in this action has no right to have a lawfully incarcerated prisoner produced as a witness at his civil trial for damages, nor does plaintiff have a right to be present himself. This is not to say, however, that a prisoner-plaintiff is totally foreclosed from having such witnesses in every circumstance—in situations where the court has jurisdiction over the potential witnesses it could undoubtedly exercise its discretion in a proper case and have such witnesses produced at trial.
To have the witnesses produced in this case as the plaintiff requests, the proper avenue for obtaining such relief is not through a motion to compel their production but is through the issuance of a writ of
habeas corpus ad testificandum
under the provisions of 28 U.S.C. § 2241. Since a prisoner is beyond the reach of an ordinary subpoena, this writ is the common law writ which is used to bring such an incarcerated prisoner to court to testify.
Gilmore v. United States,
There are three basic issues facing this court in the context of this case where a prisoner-plaintiff, proceeding in forma pauperis, seeks to have himself and a witness, both of whom are incarcerated outside the territorial jurisdiction of this court, produced in court to participate in his civil action for monetary damages unrelated to his present confinement: (1) Does this court have the power to issue a writ of habeas corpus ad testificandum to reach a prisoner incarcerated outside of its territorial jurisdiction to bring him to court to testify in a civil suit? (2) If this court does have such power, should it exercise its discretion in this instance to bring the plaintiff and his witness to court under the circumstances of this case? (3) If this court has the power arid if this court feels that it should exercise its discretion to bring the prisoners to court, can federal funds be expended to cover the expenses of transporting, *970 housing, feeding, and guarding the plaintiff and his witness during the time of the trial?
DOES THIS COURT HAVE THE POWER TO ISSUE THE WRIT EXTRATERRITORIALLY TO BRING A PRISONER TO COURT TO TESTIFY IN A CIVIL SUIT?
The question of whether or not this court has jurisdiction to issue a writ of
habeas corpus ad testificandum
outside of its jurisdiction is not an altogether settled issue. In one of the first cases where this issue was squarely presented to a court, the Seventh Circuit held that such a writ could not be issued extraterritorially.
Edgerly v. Kennelly,
The
Edgerly
case would probably be dispositive of the case
sub judice
except for the Supreme Court decision in
Carbo v. United States,
The more strongly are we led to this construction by recognition of the continually increasing importance assigned to authorizing extraterritorial process where patently desirable. Cf. Fed.Rules Crim.Proc., 4(c)(2) and 17(e)(1). And it is the more so here where an accommodation is so important between the federal and state authorities. [Citation omitted]. That comity is necessary between sovereignties in the administration of criminal justice in our federal-state system is given full recognition by affording through the use of the writ both respect and courtesy to the laws of the respective jurisdictions. (Footnote omitted).
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Following the decision in
Carbo, Duncan v. Maine,
The Fourth Circuit in
Word v. North Carolina,
Whatever may have been the accuracy of that theory at one time, it is clear that at the present time increased cooperation between the States themselves and between the States and the Federal Government has largely deprived it of any continuing validity in the criminal law. [Footnote omitted]. For example, in the case of a prospective witness currently in federal custody, 28 U.S.C. § 2241(c)(5) gives federal courts the power to issue writs of habeas corpus ad testificandum at the request of *972 state prosecutorial authorities. See Gilmore v. United States,129 F.2d 199 , 202 (C.A. 10th Cir. 1942); United States v. McGaha,205 F.Supp. 949 (D.C.E.D.Tenn.1962). 4
From the extracts of the quoted decision, two underlying principles may be deduced. No sovereign power may interfere with, or lay claim to, the custody of a prisoner legally incarcerated in the jails of another sovereign power, except that upon a proper showing, and as a matter of comity, one sovereign power will permit another sovereign power to have temporary custody of a prisoner then in the jails of the former either to stand trial, or testify in a trial to be conducted in the Courts of the latter.
There is also another line of cases subsequent to
Carbo
interpreting it somewhat differently than did
Word, McGaha,
and
Duncan. In Yager v. Raisor,
This court notes that in all of the cases set forth above where the writ of
habeas corpus ad testificandum
was al
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lowed to be issued extraterritorially, the eases involved obtaining witnesses for use in
criminal trials,
and all except
Barber v. Page, supra,
dealt with a situation where it was the defendant who was seeking witnesses for his defense. In situations such as these there exists another overriding factor which is not present in a civil case such as the case
sub
judice—that is the sixth amendment right that “[i]n all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right . to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor. .” This constitutional right standing alone would probably be sufficient to vest a district court with the power to issue extraterritorial writs of
habeas corpus ad testificandum
in proper cases where the defendant
in a criminal trial
has a genuine need for a prisoner-witness who is at that time incarcerated outside of the district. There is also another factor present in the case of criminal proceedings which is not present in civil actions—that is the power of the courts to issue subpoenas unlimited by jurisdictional limitations pursuant to Fed.R.Crim.P. 17(e). As noted above, this authorization of extraterritorial process by Fed.R.Crim.P. 4 and 17 affected the Supreme Court’s decision in
Carbo,
There is some scant authority that the writ of
habeas corpus ad testificandum
is applicable and can be issued extraterritorially in civil cases. In the case of
In re Thaw,
With the Supreme Court's strong reliance in Carbo on the need for cooperation and comity between the state and federal governments in the administration of the criminal justice system; with its reference to McGaha (which involved a criminal prosecution) in Barber in the context of obtaining witnesses for a criminal prosecution; with the distinction between the court’s power to issue subpoenas in criminal vis-a-vis civil actions; with the Supreme Court’s express caveat with respect to the writ of habeas corpus ad testificandum, and in the absence of any sixth amendment right to compulsory process in civil cases, this court feels that federal district courts are without the power to issue writs of habeas corpus ad testificandum to reach outside of its jurisdiction to bring a prisoner-plaintiff or his desired witnesses into court in this district to testify and/or prosecute his case in a civil action for monetary damages.
IF THIS COURT HAD THE POWER TO GRANT THE WRIT IN A CIVIL CASE, IT WOULD NOT EXERCISE ITS DISCRETION IN THE CASE SUB JUDICE
It is well settled that the' granting of a habeas corpus ad testificandum lies within the discretion of the court. United States v. Lupino, supra; United States v. Goldenstein, supra; Gilmore v. United States, supra; Murrey v. United States, supra; In re Thaw, supra. In the present case the plaintiff desires to have this court produce him and another prisoner as a witness at government expense. Plaintiff is incarcerated in Missouri, which is far removed from this court, and his witness is incarcerated in Reidsville, Georgia, which is well over 200 miles from the court in Gainesville. This court is in agreement with a passage from the case in Silver v. Dunbar, supra, which is quite appropriate to the present case.
Here it would be both expensive and inconvenient to have petitioner present in the courtroom. It would be necessary to transport petitioner several hundreds of miles from Deuel Vocational Institution and back again. Arrangements would have to be made for custody in local jail facilities. Guards would be required both during transportation and during courtroom appearances. The costs of these arrangements could be substantial, and they would not appear to be properly chargeable against either the United States or the State of California [here Georgia], because petitioner’s actions are civil in nature.
Moreover, petitioner’s appearance in the courtroom could be potentially dangerous. He is the man who is presently imprisoned under convictions for attempted murder and escape from prison. His presence in the courtroom could be a danger both to persons present in the courtroom and to the public at large.
These factors would be sufficient to warrant denial of a writ even in a *975 case involving the life and liberty of the petitioner. They present even stronger reasons for denial where, as here, the petitioner seeks a writ for the purpose of prosecuting and testifying in a civil action for damages.
FEDERAL FUNDS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO TRANSPORT, GUARD, HOUSE, AND FEED A PRISONER-PLAINTIFF AND A PRISONER-WITNESS IN A CIVIL SUIT FOR DAMAGES
This court can find no basis in the law for the expenditure of federal funds to underwrite a private civil damage action as plaintiff requests. As the Fifth Circuit stated in
Beard v. Stephens,
The only authority cited by plaintiff in support of having federal funds expended to underwrite his case is
Allison v. Wilson,
For the foregoing reasons, the plaintiff’s motion to compel his production and also the production of Vernon Rouse, Jr. as a witness in his behalf at trial at government expense is denied.
Notes
. Apparently, the plaintiff did not raise the possibility of jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 2241 since the court said plaintiff conceded that jurisdiction “if it exists, must be found in the ‘all writs statute,’ 28 U.S.C. § 1651 . . . .”
. The Ninth Circuit had held that the district court had jurisdiction but it based its authority on 28 U.S.C. § 1651.
Carbo v. United States,
. The Court visualized the writ’s use by the district court in the demanding state to obtain the petitioner’s presence in that court for a hearing if one should be necessary.
. This court notes that neither Gilmore nor MeGaha stands for the proposition for which they were cited. Both involved federal criminal actions where federal prisoners incarcerated outside the court’s jurisdiction were sought as witnesses.
. Murdock did not mention specifically its power under rule 17 but cited
Reistroffer v. United States,
